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Apple's Popularity With Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android
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I don't disagree with you at all, my kids aren't allowed to have phones and I'm going to see how far that lasts. So far my almost 11 year old is fine with it, and I can probably get away with it for a few more years. They have iPads but are limited to only an hour per day, and that's after homework and after sports and even then I'm very selective about their content. Think Minecraft instead of Fortnite.
But if my issue was simply the text messaging then I'd just use SMS and not care at all. It's the pictures/videos that are an issue. I'm assuming you don't have a way to mind meld your memories to others via telepathic powers? Because otherwise you are going to want to share pictures and videos and that's the biggest issue.
Phones are more than play toys now.
Apple regular computers have become mostly galley-slave work devices as in they are more IBM than IBM used to mean. Games and entertainment take a back seat to PRODUCTIVITY, and they are advertised like that. How ironic.
Apple iOS devices may not be at that level of work-centered, but they get my vote for getting stuff done reliably and simply across phones AND tablets while still being fun. That's vs. playing with settings and patchworking applications, along with hyper-analyzing minor performance advantages just to feel superior to Apple, like Android World obsesses with.
I can easily understand GenZ, or really just anybody not interested in the old "Setting motherboard DIP switches correctly" level of computer using, being more interested in USAGE vs. hardware hobbyist time-wasting. But then, I also despise GenZ and other MARKETING terms for that very reason; that they are used to create stigmas and stereotypes just to flog products that should be important for OTHER reasons or should be recognized as merely conspicuous consumption traps.
Apple regular computers have become mostly galley-slave work devices as in they are more IBM than IBM used to mean. Games and entertainment take a back seat to PRODUCTIVITY, and they are advertised like that. How ironic.
Apple iOS devices may not be at that level of work-centered, but they get my vote for getting stuff done reliably and simply across phones AND tablets while still being fun. That's vs. playing with settings and patchworking applications, along with hyper-analyzing minor performance advantages just to feel superior to Apple, like Android World obsesses with.
I can easily understand GenZ, or really just anybody not interested in the old "Setting motherboard DIP switches correctly" level of computer using, being more interested in USAGE vs. hardware hobbyist time-wasting. But then, I also despise GenZ and other MARKETING terms for that very reason; that they are used to create stigmas and stereotypes just to flog products that should be important for OTHER reasons or should be recognized as merely conspicuous consumption traps.
I’m a millennial and I remember the hype of the iPod and anyone who didn’t have one.
iPhone didn’t come out until I was nearly finished school and I got the 3G which was the first one here in Australia. The hype was pretty immediate and soon everyone had an iPhone.
Funnily enough many people defected to android later. So I don’t think their study is going to hold as much as they think. Kids grow up and suddenly won’t care what their friends think.
Sharing pictures by text is something I only do if I'm out shopping and send my wife a picture of something to see if it's what she wants. Other than that, I don't think I have ever texted anyone a picture. I don't use my phone for serious photography, for that I have dedicated camera's, and the images go up on my website.
Not so fast with the 100% assumption. For example I've had long stretches where my main SIM has been in an iPhone, but iMessage has been disabled to avoid my number getting locked in the iMessage limbo when I move to a different phone once again. As almost no one uses iMessage here thanks to it being an Apple-only club and everyone uses cross-platform solutions such as WhatsApp anyway, it hasn't been much of a loss.
Or they are asked to make a call on a desk or wall phone. Let’s not even talk about a rotary phone or finding a number in a physical phone book. The last one is so unheard of these days preemptive text had no idea what I was typing. Lol
An iPhone is something I would prefer to own secretly, because too many use an iPhone for bragging. So I would not like people to know that I own one.
Rotary was the curse for me. My nana had one, and my parents' number has 3 9s and nothing under 5. At least there were only seven digits then
pridefully paying $1200+ (what most people can't afford) to ruin everyone's group chats seems pretty poor taste to me
but of course if you're in 0 group chats then that shouldn't be a problem
In contrast, seriously suggesting a group to use iMessage that would mean that more than half or participants need to get a different phone shows much worse taste and judgement 😛 It would just get you called something that rhymes with a banker.
Over here group chats are by default on WhatsApp, which really doesn't care what phone you have as long as it's not running a really antiquated OS version.
The more mature someone is, the less they will care about the bubbles. It explains why it's more intense amongst kids, and immature adults.
A lot members of Gen X didn’t drop MS especially those who need Windows for work or are into gaming. Microsoft has come a long, long way since Windows 95 and Windows 10/11 is definitely not your dad’s Windows. With that being said, Apple still has the edge, but it’s not the huge, Atlantic Ocean sized gap it once was. It’s more like one of the Great Lakes now.
Yea I think since partway through, it's been much better. My favorite further back was XP. And Me was trash.
What a terribly unuseful statistic comparison being made here. How about the percentage of Gen Zers who are iPhone users vs Android users? Duh.
Comparing the percent of Gen Zers out of ALL IPHONE OWNERS to a similar slice for Samsung (not even all Android device makers, just Samsung) is nonsensical. It isn't even the right number to make comparisons with. It's just a random number you picked.
I can't read past this.
The immature adults still feeling pressured by their friends and Insta-celebrities into their thirties is what Apple is counting on.
This statement is kind of nonsensical:
"For every 100 iPhones Apple sells around the world, it also sells 26 iPads, 17 Apple Watches, and 35 pairs of AirPods, according to research by Canalys. For Samsung, every 100 smartphone sales leads to fewer than 11 tablets, six smartwatches, and six pairs of wireless earbuds being sold. This is in spite of the fact that the average selling price of an iPhone is almost three times that of an Android device."
Samsung does not universally represent Android, and the Samsung phones that would be likely to result in a halo affect cost the same or more as an iPhone.
"For every 100 iPhones Apple sells around the world, it also sells 26 iPads, 17 Apple Watches, and 35 pairs of AirPods, according to research by Canalys. For Samsung, every 100 smartphone sales leads to fewer than 11 tablets, six smartwatches, and six pairs of wireless earbuds being sold. This is in spite of the fact that the average selling price of an iPhone is almost three times that of an Android device."
Samsung does not universally represent Android, and the Samsung phones that would be likely to result in a halo affect cost the same or more as an iPhone.
This is a weird take on Android, it sounds like you were stuck in a time capsule from 10 years ago. Android is VERY plug and play, there isn't any more tinkering on it required than on iOS. Now if you wanted to you could tinker, but even that ability has been more and more restricted every year as Google chases Apple. But for your every day user, it's quite plug and play with zero tinkering required.
And your dinosaur ways should apply to the rest of the world why? I totally get the live in a cabin teach your kids how to fish thing and I don't disagree with it. But at the same time the world has moved on.
So lets see, I can ditch my iPhone for a full camera setup, then post my kids sporting events images to my website whenever I want to share them, ok check. Your anecdotal rustic experiences don't match up with how most users use their phones and technology today. Plus putting pictures up on your website? Doesn't that totally take the social aspect out of them? Wouldn't you rather just show the pictures to the other people in person? Hmm, it seems like some technology is good, but some technology is bad.
Yea it's much better now than when I had the GS8+. The only weird thing with the Z Flip 4 is why so I need an extra app to toggle the tech type. At least now it seems someone updated something that I can use 5G inside work again. It's still slow sometimes like it was in the beginning, but at least it eventually does something instead of hanging for minutes or page not displayed etc...
The reason I say it would be confusing is the very one I bolded in your response - you'd need to use an iMessage app to send the photo to iPhone users and an Android one to Android users. iMessage would be fine Android to Apple; but if you added in Android users the fallback would be SMS from Apple's servers. Now they will get the lower res versions; which would be confusing since the original was sent from an Android device. Or they'd have to install IMessage and figure out what app to use to send to whom.
But if Apple does that, and no doubt would, you still have the issue I pointed out above. Different apps needed to sendhigh quality pictures.
Not really. It is a good LCD fallback.
Considering Samsung and Apple sell roughly the same number of phones, and generally near teh same price point, from numbers I've seen; it's a good indication of how well Apple ties customers into their system and builds sales around an ecosystem. Samsung purchasers probably have similar economic demographics as Apple's, just chose not to buy as much for whatever reason.
All of use here are part of the “problem”.
We love-hate Apple but end up giving our money for the same mediocre user experience year after year.
Suuuuuuuper mediocre!. The
Text editor is rubbish compared to Android, Siri has been a joke since 10 years ago or more, calendar app is also a joke, dial pad is offensive, Safari is the worst of all browsers (please try other browsers and DO compare objectively), photos app does not work AT ALL to identify new faces, etc. More RAM is basic expectation to compete vs Android at the same or lower price.
We love-hate Apple but end up giving our money for the same mediocre user experience year after year.
Suuuuuuuper mediocre!. The
Text editor is rubbish compared to Android, Siri has been a joke since 10 years ago or more, calendar app is also a joke, dial pad is offensive, Safari is the worst of all browsers (please try other browsers and DO compare objectively), photos app does not work AT ALL to identify new faces, etc. More RAM is basic expectation to compete vs Android at the same or lower price.
Your neighborhoods were likely cohesive, less chopped up by HUD and school redistricting. Blue chip companies weren't quietly dumping toxins into every scrap of food you ate, making you sick, weak and overweight, for paltry dividends for 401k fund managers, while telling you that it's "healthy."
These kids are growing up in a strange, inverted and in many ways, declining world before they even had a chance to comprehend anything else, and often don't know what's possible. Hence the popularity of people like Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson among late-wave millennial and gen z boys.
Why rag on em?
I'm not really following you here. An Android iMessage app would just take over all messaging functions, which means you would use the iMessage app on the Android phone to send messages to other Android users. Since it's going through Apple's servers the pictures/videos would have the same quality as they do iPhone to iPhone. That's the beauty of it, iMessage totally bypasses the carriers and their MMS limitations.
Hardly surprising.
iPhones last longer (due to their better build quality) and are supported longer, which means it’s more feasible to pass down older iPhones to your children or other family members when you are ready to upgrade. You spend more upfront, but save more in the long run.
There’s also the ecosystem (it’s very easy to share an Apple One subscription with your entire family, which in turn increases the utility of other Apple devices). This further raises the value proposition of going all-in with Apple hardware in a household.
Apple’s pro-privacy messaging is also gaining more traction at a time when the public’s mistrust towards social media is increasing by the day.
iOS being home to the best apps is further icing on the cake.
Downsides like not being able to sideload apps or run emulators simply don’t matter to the average user.
Lots of strengths going for iOS users. I look forward to the iPhone continuing to grow its market share all around the world.
iPhones last longer (due to their better build quality) and are supported longer, which means it’s more feasible to pass down older iPhones to your children or other family members when you are ready to upgrade. You spend more upfront, but save more in the long run.
There’s also the ecosystem (it’s very easy to share an Apple One subscription with your entire family, which in turn increases the utility of other Apple devices). This further raises the value proposition of going all-in with Apple hardware in a household.
Apple’s pro-privacy messaging is also gaining more traction at a time when the public’s mistrust towards social media is increasing by the day.
iOS being home to the best apps is further icing on the cake.
Downsides like not being able to sideload apps or run emulators simply don’t matter to the average user.
Lots of strengths going for iOS users. I look forward to the iPhone continuing to grow its market share all around the world.