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Apple's Redesigned Mac Pro Now Available for Online Orders

Call me old-fashioned, but this is a *REAL* pro machine.
All that Apple had to do was reduce it from a full tower to a mini tower.
That black cylinder on the left looks like a prefect shape and size for a battery backup.

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For reference, the original Mac was $2500 in 1984, which works out to around $5500 in 2012. Just pointing out that the price of this Mac Pro isn't bad.
 
vmistery said:
I don't tend to use the wheels from my last car on my new car btw
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You're proving his point with that statement. Do you want to use new wheels (keyboard), or your old one?

I don't like Apple's input devices either, but if you're going to be sarcastic and douchey, you might want to get your analogy correct.
 
Isti said:
Guys, I just chatted with Apple, and I found out that you cannot change the SSD if it fails... hmmm....

And SSDs have limited write amount, when you reach it, it will wear out - recently I made a research and for example one review talked about a higher-end SSD which had 700TB write amount. And that's it. Sounds a lot, but when you autosave your 3-4 GB files every 15 min.... it will wear out quickly.

I attach the screen grab of the chat. I was shocked, to be honest. I was waiting to buy this machine, and now I am thinking to get a 12 core older model, as this is going to be too expensive over the years.

So to make it short, after your 3 year protection plan is over, Apple may replace it for service charge. You cannot replace it yourself for sure, guy did confirm. And there is no upgrade for a larger one either.

I had another chat session and they confirmed the same with graphics card: no upgrade and no "swip-swap" if you happen to need a better one. I knew I cannot swap it myself, but Apple will not upgrade it either - I got very specific answer about it.
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SSD's do NOT wear out that fast anymore. A website called hardware.info (Dutch) performed tests (writing, reading, big files, small files) continuously and found out that at continuous stress modern SSD's last for over half a life time before they start to loose sectors.

And you don't have to believe the Apple employees, they will tell you that you won't be able to replace it but it is often not that difficult. I bet OWC will sooner or later sell kits.
 
doctor-don said:
That would be in line with other Apple products - iPad and iPhone, most notably. The storage is limited to whatever one gets when he buys the product.

Is the flash storage removable? Probably not. But most Apple computers have the ability to boot from another drive - hold down the option key while restarting and select from whichever drive has an OS on it.
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Yes its removable. If you go to that page he linked it says "User accessible" under storage. ( Same thing with memory) Meaning it can be replaced by the user.
 
paulrbeers said:
Don't forget, we in the US get to pay sales tax on top of our price. Aren't your taxes already built in? There are places in the use that pay >10% in sales tax. It's all by state. Where I live we pay 6%. So that $9600 computer really costs me 10200. Now the difference is only $800 and my state has some of the LOWEST sales taxes of the Union. $800 padding for variances in exchange rate on a 10K machine seems about right don't you think?
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Most every poster complaining about this has explicitly accounted for this by removing sales tax from their local price and are thus just comparing Apple's pre-tax price in their local country against the US price. This has been called out and explained repeatedly.

groovebuster said:
Please elaborate...

P.S.: The tariff for importing computers to Germany is 19%, which equals exactly the sales tax in Germany. As I already explained I had subtracted the tax already from the price and it would be still 1,400€ (15%) more expensive than in the US. This has NOTHING to do with the EU. This money goes directly into Apple's pocket.
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DesterWallaboo said:
Apple doesn't get the 19% tariff. The German government does.
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I.. I feel like I must be taking crazy pills. He's quite clearly saying that the 19% tariff goes to the government, and that he is subtracting this from the sale price so as to get the price that Apple themselves are charging without the tax. At that no-tax sale price there is still a 15% premium. This money is going directly to Apple.

marioguarneros said:
You don't get it, that's ok, ;)
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If you mean I don't get why Apple (and pretty much all other multinationals) charge what looks to be a significant premium in Europe and other places, you're right. My only theory at the moment is that they're simply charging what the market will bear.
 
dangerly said:
Agree with you 100%.
This time Apple has gone the wrong way!
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actually, contrary to my recent opinion (see Final Cut Pro X), I think this is a direction that works well for me. I only want a powerful computer where I can plug in my external drives (even if I had a cheese-grater tower, I would still use external drives for storage), purchase/reuse my own keyboard and mouse (rather than adding in the price to the base model), solid state and fast.
 
MacSince1990 said:
Not sure how the bottom of the line makes sense over an iMac...

These things need to be configured to at least $5-6k to be useful -_-

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A well-argued and firmly substantiated claim.

You are, of course, wrong. Especially as "better" is a pretty meaningless adjective.
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Everythings always an argument...
 
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Available to ship in Feb.. darn it! I knew I should have stayed up last night to do the order.
 
Pixelshot said:
with regards to the "storage" upgrade being configurable:


I read this as "configurable when purchasing." Note that the 4/6/8/12 cores also say "configurable" yet I'm sure that doesn't mean after-the-purchase.
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Do you really read the words "user accessible" to mean that you can configure them when ordering????? Come on guys!! There are currently SSD's in place to upgrade MacBook Air's that were otherwise "un-upgradeable". Its not going to be the case here.... look again at the spec page.

This clearly says on Apple's website, "User Accessible".

Its not an issue for me, I can put this machine to work today as it ships, and it will save time and make my work easier. Enough said. Theres value in that. yes its expensive, but in the long (even in the short) run; it pays for itself.
 
so dissapointed

i guess the only "professionals" out there are those that work on video.
But for the graphic designer/web developer, honestly for the $$ it's not worth it for me. and it looks like a coffee maker.
i <3 macs. ever since my first apple II+ . . . however for $3k (min) and no matching KB/Mouse or a monitor and the only thing the user can upgrade is memory . . c'mon apple. . . you can do better than that. . . . ill stick with my old MBPro and Quad mini... hackintosh here i come for a 1/2 of the price and user upgradable parts... 0_o
 
holy moly

I thought I was going to buy a Mac Pro but it looks like I will have to spend above 5000 dollars to get a decent one.

LOL no thanks.
I guess this update prices out non-professional home users.
Time to switch to the iMac!
 
Well, I just hope that some sites like Anandtech got their orders in fast for a few different configurations so we can get some proper real-world benchmarks before February. While I'm not surprised the new Mac Pro sold out fast (it has, after all, been a very long time since there's been an upgrade, and surely Apple's factory is not producing these very quickly), I'm still amazed anyone would buy these without real benchmarks. We know relatively little about Apple's hardware here.
 
mrxak said:
Well, I just hope that some sites like Anandtech got their orders in fast for a few different configurations so we can get some proper real-world benchmarks before February. While I'm not surprised the new Mac Pro sold out fast (it has, after all, been a very long time since there's been an upgrade, and surely Apple's factory is not producing these very quickly), I'm still amazed anyone would buy these without real benchmarks. We know relatively little about Apple's hardware here.
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I'm very much looking forward to Anand's review as well but surely we know plenty about the hardware? We have an idea of the minimum likely I/O speeds for the PCIe-based SSD, we have benchmarks for all the Intel Xeon CPU options, and there's already plenty of info out there about the AMD graphics cards - particularly the D700 since it's apparently almost exactly the same as the W9000 (just probably at a lower core clock speed).

What will be really interesting are some software benchmarks as these will better reflect how well all the hardware is combined (have Apple judged the right balance of power in each area etc.) and how well current software is able to take advantage of it.

I agree that were I in the market for one for e.g. video editing though (I'm not and I can't justify the expense myself), I'd want to wait for those types of software benchmarks to figure out if it justified the cost.

All of that is to say nothing of the inevitable teething issues with both hardware and software that I'd want to avoid by waiting a while...
 
greenmeanie said:
Are you able to pick these up in stores?
The website says Delivery not until February.

Seems like BS just to say they met their FALL deadline.
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+1, February delivery? WTF?! did they build 100 of them? This is really ridiculous. This is not a high volume production item like an iphone. I was suspicious when Cook's tweet yesterday seemed to imply they they only just started production in the Austin factory. But it looks that he really wasn't kidding.


Beardy man said:
So you'd buy a top spec vehicle and leave it with the stock wheels?
Ever bought a new top spec car? You always choose better wheels. Most designers I know have their favourite keyboards and especially a fav mouse.

This just underlies the fact that this is professional kit.
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not convincing. they did not do this before. what, did the professionals become more professional since yesterday? and speaking of car analogies, whoever sells luxury cars with base models coming with no wheels at all?
they could have included an option to add a stock keyboard for 0$ for those who need it. it more or less worked that way in the past as I recall. this is just Apple cheapening out.
 
dangerly said:
Because they are producing a "lemon".
Car vendors know what i mean.

Why do you defend Apple at all costs?
You believe that if Steve Jobs was still alive, they would have produced such a thing? I don't.
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Why must you be so bitter? Please go buy a PC or something...
 
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