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Apple's Redesigned Mac Pro Now Available for Online Orders

doctor-don said:
At this time, the availability for shipping is for February.
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The huge initial demand is a result of the people who buy up the first batch and sell them on eBay for triple the price.

On the plus side, you will be able to buy a base model in January for immediately delivery for only $10,000.
 
daneoni said:
Should've used a matte finish. The glossy finish gives it the trendy trash can effect. But i guess its the power that matters.
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The matte black rectangular BOX it comes in looks better to me.
 
LOL, I'm sure Apple saved themselves a huge amount of money between the 12GB in the base model and 16GB in the next tier. Pro desktops shipping with less than 16GB of RAM in 2014 are pretty funny. At least it seems easy to upgrade—unlike my rMBP.

I'm once again toying with the idea of building a Hackintosh. 9to5Mac has a new guide on building essentially a Mac Pro that runs 4K for about $1400. It's not going to be nearly as pretty, but it should fly. I haven't built a computer since 2005, but I doubt much has changed. I'm just not sure how stable Hackintoshes are today? I did it to an old Dell Inspiron back in the day and it wasn't a good experience—and that was a fairly fast machine at the time. So I'm hesitant to go that particular route.

My ideal world would be a Mac Pro, 4K Thunderbolt 2 Display, SSD RAID 0 of around 1TB that does a software backup once a night, and a 6TB RAID 1 for file storage and backup. Then I'd have an iPad Pro to fill the gap when I'm on the go—a quad-core A8X with 4GB of RAM and more fleshed out versions of Adobe's Touch apps or perhaps simplified versions of Apple's Pro apps. And a display that can be calibrated! I'd also want Adobe's Mighty Pen—the fancy new one with the tiny nib that Adonit is building—to do sketches. That is supposed to ship sometime around 2Q 2014. And lastly a 4.7 to 5" iPhone 6 with less bezel that isn't as narrow as the current 16:9.

So Mac Pro, iPad Pro, and iPhone 6. Yeah there's no way that's going to fit my 2014 budget. Another year with the rMBP I suppose! First world problems…
 
marioguarneros said:
So let's take the 6 core Mac Pro as an example of what it would really cost:

USA: $3999.00 before tax or $4353.91 after New York tax.
GERMANY: €3999.00 including €639.00 German tax which un US dollars is $5471.83

Now if you remove the GERMAN VAT (€639 = $874.34) the cost of the Mac Pro in Germany after the governments cut would be: $4597.00 and that's the amount that pretty much goes to Apple before shipping costs.

Now to make it even more clear, if I was to buy the same Mac Pro in New York the tax would put the final price at: $4353.91

So all things considered that makes a $243.09 difference which could easily be accounted by the fact that these babies are assembled in USA and have to be shipped to Europe.
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Sigh.. so you add sales tax to the cost in NY and REMOVE sales tax (which is essentially what VAT is) from the cost in Germany, and still end up with it costing $243.09 more in Germany?? What exactly are you trying to prove with that tortured, nonsensical comparison?

Are things more expensive in other countries? Hell yeah, just ask Brazil, they even get the iPhones assembled there and still they have the highest prices of Apple products in the world.

I do believe the price differences go to taxes and shipping and not to Apples pockets as largely claimed.
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You can believe it all you want, but if you want to convince anyone else of it you'll have to learn some basic "like-for-like" comparison skills first.

No idea once again what you're trying to prove by pointing out how much more of a ripoff Brazilian prices are again over-and-above those in Europe? Does that make it OK for us to ripped off slightly less? It certainly doesn't help your subsequent claim that the difference goes just to taxes and shipping at all!

CelestialToys said:
How many of those comparing US prices to those around the world are factoring in the US sales tax to the US price? Not many by the looks of it
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ArcaneDevice said:
Of course not, because despite the internet opening up an almost bottomless well of knowledge most people don't learn anything.
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Wow. Just... wow. Just about every post on this thread complaining about the international difference in prices has explicitly and clearly called out sales tax as being part of their calculations. Really not sure what in the hell you were both reading. Beautiful sense of irony there btw ArcaneDevice, kudos on that.

CelestialToys said:
Or factoring in the extra years warranty that you get in Europe/Australia which adds to the price.. not many by the looks of it
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This was also covered in this very thread already, but to be fair this point hasn't been very well responded to by the whiners (me included!) as of yet. First off, Apple charge extra for AppleCare internationally as well, not just in the US, and indeed we even get ripped off on the price of that as well. Secondly, yes, a lot of countries offer better basic consumer protection than the US (you should really be taking the chance to look at pushing for an improvement in your own laws in this regard really) but they have done so for a long time - this isn't something new (at least not in much of Europe). And yet it's been shown in recent court cases in Europe and Australia that Apple were not honouring their local legal obligations on warranty all this time (they certainly weren't publicly acknowledging them at least) and were essentially applying their US standards globally (where they could get away with it), applying a 1 year warranty and charging customers for extended warranty even though they legally had to provide it anyway. But they've _always_ charged the premium for their goods in Europe that we're complaining about, and in Australia, where the new consumer law only came in during 2011. So this argument doesn't really stand up.

The final point is around currency buffering as some have said. One guy gave an example of £1 <-> $1.60 being calculated at £1 <-> $1.45 for a buffer. First off, I agree that large companies have to do this to maintain consistent local pricing, but then they are large companies: they can use dedicated brokerages to get better deals and maintain large pools of local currency in any (at least large enough) country that they trade in, then have those brokerages trade currency at what they foresee as optimal times. In other words, they'd be expecting to see a far better deal than $1.45 (it's actually $1.63 atm) internally - especially as $1.45 would be a sucky deal for a consumer buying from a traditional ripoff bureau, never mind a massive multinational!

In short I agree that this plus international shipping, which would be a tiny proportional cost when done at scale, would have to be factored in as well, but would surely come nowhere near the 15% premium that posters have been reporting. I've never seen an argument in defence of companies doing this (they all do it, not just Apple, to be fair) that actually adds up when you break it down. I'd love to be shown to be wrong and to have not considered some factor, as it's a very frustrating situation, and at least then we could look at what that factor is and what, if anything, could be done to change this.
 
Can someone help me? :) We are putting together an editing bay at work and I'm a little confused what to add.

Thinking
32GB
8 core (12 core worth the upgrade)
D700 graphics card...do I need the upgraded one? is this for gaming or video or both?

Price is somewhat of an obstacle but not that much since its work related :)
 
Checked this morning and shipping was in January Thought I'd wait, have a cup of coffee and think about what options I would upgrade. Now shipping is February. This is really frustrating.
 
Isti said:
See my earlier post. I copy-pasted the entire chat with Apple this morning regarding this question. I post it here, too.

So according to chat, SSD is not user replaceable and not upgradable if you run out of space... according to this chat.

And if it fails after the warranty, you have to pay for the service to be swapped and fixed. That is very sad decision from Apple. Cost are adding up quickly.. Imagine, you computer may be down easily for a week if SSD fails (you need to ask for appointment, get a date, get there (there is no Apple where I live) they may not be able to fix it straight away, so you may have to wait a few days, go again......all this is money and time)

If I have a hard drive failure now, I just walk into Pc world, get a new drive, go home, swap drive, use time machine to get everything back. Less than 4-5 hours is lost - not to mention that we don't know the cost of repair..

No happy. I was going to buy, and now I am not sure. I may go for last years 12 core with new graphics card. Very confusing decisions from Apple.

They also confirmed me that no graphics card upgrade, not even by Apple !!!
So I need to know my needs 4-5 years ahead.. and buy accordingly now.
I am ok with D500 now, but who knows my workflow in a few years time.
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4-5 years? just buy a new machine
 
BIG DEAL!!! For that money, I can buy 10 Mac Minis for a grand total of 40 CORES and 160GB RAM. :D
 
So.... put in our order. Apparently they aren't shipping until February. So we'll have Thunderbolt2 chassis' and keyboards sitting around for two months. Oh well. At least Apple finally upgraded their Pro line.
 
dasx said:
It's so beautiful that if I had the money I would buy one. Even if it was just to stare at it.
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If aesthetics dominates someones desire, here's an alternative for $100: http://www.fitzsu.com/helit-foster-waste-bin-designed-by-norman-foster.html

A little searching could probably find one even closer to the same look for even less cost. Edit: here we go: http://www.umbra.com/ustore/product/mini-high-gloss-can.store $5

And here's the next generation: http://www.restockit.com/Classics-P...cle-Round-Steel-25-gal-Black-(RCPS3ETBK).html where they resurrect the venting holes for additional heat management and give us some added tower space so that we can put more inside instead of the "externalize everything with this super-hub" approach.

;)

Seriously, the thing looks beautiful… but then you have to start attaching other stuff to it, so the beauty is somewhat mitigated by wires, hubs, external hardware that used to fit inside the old pro. I wonder if the power users who need equipment beyond what fits inside will be happy with the clutter of the end result vs. the old "Pro" where it was a monster-sized box but lots of usable hardware utility could disappear inside.

Less seriously, I wonder how often someone is going to need to pull a wadded up piece of paper or other office trash out of the hole because someone thought it was a small trashcan instead of a computer. I can already envision the "This is NOT a trashcan" post-its hanging off the side of it. There's probably a "deflector shield" accessory(s) coming soon that shields the hole from being filled.
 
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groovebuster said:
Please elaborate...

P.S.: The tariff for importing computers to Germany is 19%, which equals exactly the sales tax in Germany. As I already explained I had subtracted the tax already from the price and it would be still 1,400€ (15%) more expensive than in the US. This has NOTHING to do with the EU. This money goes directly into Apple's pocket.
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Don't forget, we in the US get to pay sales tax on top of our price. Aren't your taxes already built in? There are places in the use that pay >10% in sales tax. It's all by state. Where I live we pay 6%. So that $9600 computer really costs me 10200. Now the difference is only $800 and my state has some of the LOWEST sales taxes of the Union. $800 padding for variances in exchange rate on a 10K machine seems about right don't you think?
 
Ordered mine from MacMall. Basic configuration. Salesman (Patrick in Quebec City) said it will ship by December 31. Hope so, so I can deduct it this year under IRC Section 179!
 
groovebuster said:
Please elaborate...

P.S.: The tariff for importing computers to Germany is 19%, which equals exactly the sales tax in Germany. As I already explained I had subtracted the tax already from the price and it would be still 1,400€ (15%) more expensive than in the US. This has NOTHING to do with the EU. This money goes directly into Apple's pocket.
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Apple doesn't get the 19% tariff. The German government does.
 
MacVista said:
BIG DEAL!!! For that money, I can buy 10 Mac Minis for a grand total of 40 CORES and 160GB RAM. :D
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That may be appropriate for some uses, and not for others.
The Mac Pro is a much faster single user machine. The Mac Minis will only be fine for tasks that can be evenly distributed to that many machines.
 
Isti said:
Guys, I just chatted with Apple, and I found out that you cannot change the SSD if it fails... hmmm....

And SSDs have limited write amount, when you reach it, it will wear out - recently I made a research and for example one review talked about a higher-end SSD which had 700TB write amount. And that's it. Sounds a lot, but when you autosave your 3-4 GB files every 15 min.... it will wear out quickly.

I attach the screen grab of the chat. I was shocked, to be honest. I was waiting to buy this machine, and now I am thinking to get a 12 core older model, as this is going to be too expensive over the years.

So to make it short, after your 3 year protection plan is over, Apple may replace it for service charge. You cannot replace it yourself for sure, guy did confirm. And there is no upgrade for a larger one either.

I had another chat session and they confirmed the same with graphics card: no upgrade and no "swip-swap" if you happen to need a better one. I knew I cannot swap it myself, but Apple will not upgrade it either - I got very specific answer about it.
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You could have not been a dick and said you were done chatting, so the operator could move on to the next customer, instead of just no longer replying.
 
70s technology said:
Sigh.. so you add sales tax to the cost in NY and REMOVE sales tax (which is essentially what VAT is) from the cost in Germany, and still end up with it costing $243.09 more in Germany?? What exactly are you trying to prove with that tortured, nonsensical comparison?



You can believe it all you want, but if you want to convince anyone else of it you'll have to learn some basic "like-for-like" comparison skills first.

No idea once again what you're trying to prove by pointing out how much more of a ripoff Brazilian prices are again over-and-above those in Europe? Does that make it OK for us to ripped off slightly less? It certainly doesn't help your subsequent claim that the difference goes just to taxes and shipping at all!




Wow. Just... wow. Just about every post on this thread complaining about the international difference in prices has explicitly and clearly called out sales tax as being part of their calculations. Really not sure what in the hell you were both reading. Beautiful sense of irony there btw ArcaneDevice, kudos on that.



This was also covered in this very thread already, but to be fair this point hasn't been very well responded to by the whiners (me included!) as of yet. First off, Apple charge extra for AppleCare internationally as well, not just in the US, and indeed we even get ripped off on the price of that as well. Secondly, yes, a lot of countries offer better basic consumer protection than the US (you should really be taking the chance to look at pushing for an improvement in your own laws in this regard really) but they have done so for a long time - this isn't something new (at least not in much of Europe). And yet it's been shown in recent court cases in Europe and Australia that Apple were not honouring their local legal obligations on warranty all this time (they certainly weren't publicly acknowledging them at least) and were essentially applying their US standards globally (where they could get away with it), applying a 1 year warranty and charging customers for extended warranty even though they legally had to provide it anyway. But they've _always_ charged the premium for their goods in Europe that we're complaining about, and in Australia, where the new consumer law only came in during 2011. So this argument doesn't really stand up.

The final point is around currency buffering as some have said. One guy gave an example of £1 <-> $1.60 being calculated at £1 <-> $1.45 for a buffer. First off, I agree that large companies have to do this to maintain consistent local pricing, but then they are large companies: they can use dedicated brokerages to get better deals and maintain large pools of local currency in any (at least large enough) country that they trade in, then have those brokerages trade currency at what they foresee as optimal times. In other words, they'd be expecting to see a far better deal than $1.45 (it's actually $1.63 atm) internally - especially as $1.45 would be a sucky deal for a consumer buying from a traditional ripoff bureau, never mind a massive multinational!

In short I agree that this plus international shipping, which would be a tiny proportional cost when done at scale, would have to be factored in as well, but would surely come nowhere near the 15% premium that posters have been reporting. I've never seen an argument in defence of companies doing this (they all do it, not just Apple, to be fair) that actually adds up when you break it down. I'd love to be shown to be wrong and to have not considered some factor, as it's a very frustrating situation, and at least then we could look at what that factor is and what, if anything, could be done to change this.
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You don't get it, that's ok, ;)
 
MacVista said:
You can actually fit a Mac Mini inside and save yourself $8.900 !!! :D
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Now you're cooking!!! Maybe buy that bigger one with the venting holes and stack a network of Mac Minis with a RAID box of hard drives: the "all-in-one" Mac Pro Extreme?

You know someone is probably going to do that. I can hear it now: "I didn't know Rubbermaid made computers."
 
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