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I'm all for simplicity. Why would you need a desktop to write a paper (Bluetooth keyboard) or browse the internet?

You can even edit videos with iMovie.

No reason for desktop if you aren't doing serious work.

I tried for two years to use an iPad in the manner you are stating. It was so frustrating, I gave it to my mother-in-law and bought a MacBook Air. Write a paper? I can't even explain how much of a pain it is to try and highlight, copy, and insert with your finger. Bluetooth keyboard won't fix that. Even web browsing is harder because there is no true right-clicking, not to mention no ability for multiple windows with tabs.

Plus, I can't encode movies or videos the way I can with my Mac, nor store them on my family RAID drive for streaming through our Apple TV. Where is iPad support for joysticks to play flight simulators?

The iPad can't replace any of that.
 
Hey macrumors, you made a mistake on the buyers guide for the MacBook Pro, it states "buy now", where it should read "don't buy" :D

Here is what appears to be an honest review from an Apple fan -
he is returning his.

great video - just wondering where do we go?
 
Except for the update to the MacBook Pro last month, Apple has been woeful with updates to the Mac lineup. Most of their lineup is featuring 2-3 year old technologies. While this isn't really going to kill performance all that much, Apple is still selling these devices as premium priced products. Comparing to the competition, who regularly update internals to keep up to date, and then discount previous technologies.

This makes it appear that Apple is just milking things. putting no money or effort into ensuring the Mac lineup is kept up to date.

This also conflicts with the lsat updates to many of their products which followed the Apple "thinner = better" mentality which saw many of the updates back in 2014/2015 actually take away, rather than add.

For Example: The 2012 Mac Mini was a beloved Mini computer by just about anyone who really wanted a nice, slick SFF. It also came with the 45w quad core CPU's (similar to the MacBook Pro's). Was also fairly easy to upgrade the hard drive and RAM.

in 2014, the "refresh" saw Apple downgrade the CPU to a dual core ULV (same in the MacBook Air), solder in the RAM, and make the hard drive nearly impossible to upgrade without pulling everything apart. Without a change to the devices shape / size. There was literally no reason for this "downgrade" other than planned obsolescence and profit margins.

Similar could jbe said for previous iMac. Thinned the chassis and started using lower thermal tolerance parts. Who was asking for a desktop computer that was 4mm thinner on the side? this has dramatic thermal issues. Look at the i7 model, which came with Intel's highest end CPU, that downclocked and thermal throttled itself.

the new Mac Pro saw it's last design Also go this route. it became smaller, lower thermal tolerances, and heavily restricted adaptability and upgrade path. A pro machine that you cannot upgrade the GPU's. Hard drive and other components without external boxes, with less actual choice in internal options than ever before.

The MacBook air that saw nothing but an internal update, while leaving all that was wrong, such as terrible quality screen (same screen since 2010 essentially) and horrible front facing camera.

And UNfortunately the new MacBook Pro seems to be following the same route. Soldered in components. 3mm thinner, but with significant tradeoffs in performance (some users report throttling), the "dongle life", bad GPUs in some, drivers that physically broke the device included in bootcamp(Sound).


None of these are BAD devices. they're all quality built. clear that there current direction is Form over function for sure. But when you ask for a high premium price, these things come under much higher scrutiny. If you're going to charge a good chunk more than the competition, there has to be something you're offering in value that is above and beyond the competition. Instead in the last few years, we've seen less offered in return for those higher prices.

And thats what I see wrong with the current Mac lineup
You didn't answer the question. I expect no one will.

What is wrong with the current Macs? No one answers that. They just say "haven't been updated." So what? Is there something legitimate you can't do with current Macs?
 
Can't we just change the name here from MacRumors Forums to IHateTimCook Forums? It would be more aptly titled.

So little real input other than whining.

I'm not an *Apple Sheep*, I just liked when there were more balanced discussions.


The Cook hate is a bit over the top.

Is it? I don't find the "Tim Cook Hate" nearly as strong as the "Apple Love". The latter causes the former to resonate more, IMO.

And how is it whining when the reality is that Under Cook, the Mac has suffered miserably, with record times between updates for nearly every computer category, and the notable exception, the MBP is 1) Crazy Expensive, 2) Not consumer upgradable & 3) Plagued with problems so far.

And here is the rundown on the update status on Macs...

Macbook 231 Days since last update
iMac 420 Days since last update
MBAir 638 Days since last update
Mac Mini 782 Days since last update
Mac Pro 1083 Days since last update

What would seem absurd to me is the idea that somehow we're supposed to look at those numbers and be satisfied. The fact is, Apple, Inc. may as well change their name to "i, Inc.", as the computer revolution that put apple on the map has long been forgotten.

I really don't even think it's debatable at this point. Cook isn't a visionary. Cook is much more concerned with wooing investors than he is with wowing customers. And this isn't simply a rerun of Steve Jobs lament; it's the reality that Cook has forgotten (or never learned?) the biggest Jobs lesson at all: If you wow the consumer, you'll win the investor, but if you focus on the investor, you'll you'll eventually forget the customer.

Remember Field of Dreams? "Build it and they will come..." That was Jobs.

Cook on the other hand is counting on Apple customers being like Cubs fans, assuming they'll hang around for 100 years even if they never win the pennant. The problem is, Cook doesn't have the emotional connection with his customers that Jobs had, or like the Cubs have with their fanbase. There's no one out there who actually believes that Cook cares whether or not they personally like Apple products. I think the majority of customers believed that Steve did.
 
Can't we just change the name here from MacRumors Forums to IHateTimCook Forums? It would be more aptly titled.

So little real input other than whining.

I'm not an *Apple Sheep*, I just liked when there were more balanced discussions.

I agree...
 
Apple could care less about their computer lineup.

Their corporate elites just see it as having a slim market share and it sucking up resources and money.
 
Recognizing that Microsoft was changing the computing device market, Smith said Apple "pretty much forgot about Mac" in order to attack the 2-in-1 tablet segment with the release of iPad Pro models over the past year.
For real? Apple "entered the 2-in-1 market" with an over sized iPad running a mobile operating system.
 
There is another way to look at this. It seems that Apple definitely sees all iOS as consumer devices, and they know they cannot get rid of the Mac Pro/MacBook line for one simple reason: how will developers write applications for iIOS devices without XCode? One cannot develop applications on an iOS device, even the iPad Pro. True, Apple has ported Swift to Linux (some features still missing), there are unofficial Swift ports for Windows, and there are always C++ & Objective C, but they are pushing developers to use Swift. Xcode is set up with all the necessary toolkits, APIs and libraries to develop all those "wonderful" iOS/WatchOS/TVOS applications. The necessary APIs, toolkits & libraries are not always available with other OS development platforms, short of scrounging the Web for them or building your own (which is really not all that much fun at times and can be very time consuming).

With all that, it does not mean I like the new MacBook Pro. In fact, I think it is a step back. I can be very productive with my late 2013 MacBook Pro Retina 15", have sufficient battery life, and not have to cart around a boatload of dongles.

Okay, off my developer perspective soapbox now. :)
 
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There are lots and lots of people that make excellent livings and do "serious" work by: creating documents, drafting contracts, using spreadsheets, giving presentations, sending email/messages, attending video conferences, etc..

All of this stuff can easily be done on an iPad (in some cases you might need an external keyboard). Some folks might prefer to use a laptop, and frankly, a base model ($999) MBA would work fine for most professionals. There are lots and lots of people doing work with simple devices.

Somehow, people on this form have come to believe that you can't do real work unless you are using a recently updated "Pro" machine of some kind. This is absolute hogwash. The vast majority of working professionals simply do not need or use the computing power required to run specialized applications. It really should not be a surprise that Apple is focusing on providing products that meet the needs of the vast majority of their customers and not focusing on niche products for those that run specialized applications.

Apple should be more concerned that high school and college students are still buying Macs. Students generally do not push the envelop of computing capability. They are usually doing homework and projects using common applications. Apple needs to sow the seeds for its future by making sure that quality affordable entry levels MacBooks are available to this customer base. High cost "Pro" machines generally do very little to grow the customer base.
 
Not really...
iMac: Waiting for Kaby Lake and Polaris chips (+ possible redesign).
Mac mini: On a 2 year refresh cycle but it looks like it will be pushed to March.
MacBook Air: Dead / now the MB and base MBP.
Mac Pro: Who knows but they've been prototyping new models for about a year so maybe they're waiting for components or they've given up on it.
 
I love my 2012 imac. Still going strong and really have little to complain about. I love my ipad Air2, and find that I am using it more than my imac these days. If they could bring a few more functions to the ipad, i could see myself getting the ipad pro and never replacing the imac. Between the apps and the fact that most things I do are now cloud/internet/browser based. I do not really need a full blown computer. Having said that, the picture/video editing software from Apple and others is still better on the imac versus the ipad (just one example). They are getting close, but close is not enough for me, so I sit on the sidelines waiting to see what Apple does. And I suspect I am not alone and that is why Apple is losing market. The reality is that I want to stick with Apple and their OS. I do not like MS OS or Google OS. I use one at work and the other I have tried and thrown away (quite literally). Regardless of the naysayers, Apple is still ahead in the UI and integration across platforms, not to mention security and privacy. But they just need to figure out where they are going with the hardware and get there.

I actually think they are close, they just need some steve jobs cojones to take the jump.
 
"Likewise, Cook said the iPad Pro is a notebook or desktop computer replacement for many people. "They will start using it and conclude they no longer need to use anything else, other than their phones," he added. "I think if you're looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore? No really, why would you buy one?"


Mr Tim Crap. I can give you 1 Million reasons as to why i would need a PC/MAC, instead of your silly iPad toy or should i say giant size iPod Touch... Won't be long before Tim Crap kills the Mac Comnpletely... You guys might had just seen the last Mac hardware updates with the new MBP... PRO?? REALLY?
 
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No, not starting. This is a PLANNED business strategy, very planned.

Agree. I was hoping - really hoping that it would have been a good October and they would refresh the whole lineup, but no. Microsoft SurfaceBook and HP Z Book are really looking good. The fact alone that you can get a Xeon and 64GB ECC Ram in a Z Book makes me smile.
 
You didn't answer the question. I expect no one will.

What is wrong with the current Macs? No one answers that. They just say "haven't been updated." So what? Is there something legitimate you can't do with current Macs?

you didn't read my post: Cause I just outlined everything "wrong" with the current macs

you're looking for a specific bit of hardware to say "This can't run X so it's bad" and you won't find that. Thats not the way most computers work, especially these days where real performance gains are shrinking.

There's more too it than just saying that. Sure, your 5 year old MacBook can still run today's software. But why, if I'm shopping today for Today's performance, should I pay Today's prices for performance / features from 3 years ago? For hardware today that performs worse than the product released 3 years before?

There are also a lot of value added things that have come out since the last few Mac revisions. Thunderbolt 3, chipset improvements, better RAM improvements. Things that aren't in Apple computers, that are demanding premium prices by today's standards.

ignoring all that I've mentioned about the issues with these devices, and that they are not only asking premium prices, but raised prices further (and internationally by an additional 30%) is a very telling problem with Apple's decision making.

And if I'm a current purchaser, and I'm looking for a device to buy with money in my pocket, And I see the Apple product with a 4th gen CPU, and a competitor with a 6th Gen CPU, and the Apple product is more? (all else being equal), I'm not buying the Apple product. Why buy something thats older when you don't have to?
 
That title for the iPad commercial: "What's a Computer?" seems less ironic now and more a cry for help.
Yeah it seems like they don't have a clue what a computer is anymore. I love the fact that it had the worst like to dislike ratio on Apples YouTube channel. Maybe it'll knock some sense into Tim Cook but I doubt it.
 
I want to stay positive and think that the delayed iMac update is because there will be something relatively big. I hope so at least.

Still, I'm sad about the loss of their display, the loss of their router, the bugs in some of their software, etc. I still like this company and am heavily vested in their ecosystem, but I don't think I like the direction they're heading.
 
And therein lies the answer to why the faux outrage is embarrassing.

you have this really annoying habit of ignoring someones whole post just to pick one line you think you have an argument with.

I recommend improving your reading comprehension and critical thinking skills before continuing this.

nvm: I just read a bunch of your post history. It's clear that it's going to be liek talking to a wall. welcome to the Ignore list
 
AMD's, Nvidia's, Intel's schedules are not to blame. If companies which make a fraction of the profit off their boxes can upgrade their products several times a year, one would think Apple would have the motivation to do it as well. (Unless they are *overly distracted* with cars, watchbands, pencils, headphones and streaming music).

Apple without "the Mac"... is not Apple. (Apple without Steve....)

Sadly, as every keynote, since Steve's passing, goes by, my positive emotions for the work this company puts out diminishes. (I'm not saying that to troll or to be mean, but it's just disheartening unfortunately).
 
I want to stay positive and think that the delayed iMac update is because there will be something relatively big. I hope so at least.

Still, I'm sad about the loss of their display, the loss of their router, the bugs in some of their software, etc. I still like this company and am heavily vested in their ecosystem, but I don't think I like the direction they're heading.
There's still hope for a display, but the LG is basically an Apple display (- the design). The router isn't dead. The iMac is delayed because the next gen processors haven't been released yet, nor have the suitable Polaris graphics. So right now they're just waiting but there should be a redesign either next year o or the year after.
 
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