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Apple's Revamped Mac Pro to Launch in 2019
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You would think that there would be hungry employees wanting to put in long hours on the hardware update teams just because the Intel stuff is that cool. But to not have updated since 2013 is a crime. They should not be charging $3K for equipment that HP sells used for $300.
This is turning out to the lost decade of the Mac Pro:
“I just decided to take some time out, you know?
I felt burnt out after two decades of consistent success. I didn’t want to keep on repeating myself, as I thought I was getting stale. I got tired of just being consistently good.
So when my experimental 2013 double-album bombed, I went to Mexico to ‘find myself’”.
“I just decided to take some time out, you know?
I felt burnt out after two decades of consistent success. I didn’t want to keep on repeating myself, as I thought I was getting stale. I got tired of just being consistently good.
So when my experimental 2013 double-album bombed, I went to Mexico to ‘find myself’”.
I am wondering what is this new "engineering flow" they are babbling about?
Is it the same flow that gave us the touch bar on the MacBook Pro, a machine used by 'pros' ?
If that is the case, I am afraid that I will be disappointed yet again in 2019 when the MacPro comes out.
Is it the same flow that gave us the touch bar on the MacBook Pro, a machine used by 'pros' ?
If that is the case, I am afraid that I will be disappointed yet again in 2019 when the MacPro comes out.
I am unaware of very many use cases that are strictly Mac only. Software, sure, but not whole areas that could not be done with other systems. Feel free to educate us all. I also share your zero-interest towards the other platforms, but that preference is not helping us much if we'd really need that power.
For me it is the quality of third party apps available on the Mac platform that keep me from straying too far (despite repeated attempts). I use Ulysses, Timing, Better Touch Tool, iStat Menus, Forecast Bar, 2Do, TaskPaper, Paw, LaunchBar, Paste, TripMode, Downie and Bartender. All these apps are accessible to me via Setapp subscription.
So I am pretty deep in the ecosystem. Windows has a few apps that cover this spectrum but I dislike Windows. I would have really loved it if Linux had these quality apps and I would be more than willing to pay for them. Sigh!
Manjaro KDE and IntelliJ work awesome on my Thinkpad but the rest still don't have suitable replacements.
I really wish Apple gave up completely on the MacBook Pro and the MacPro and simply licensed OSX. Then they could focus all they want on iToys without any guilt.
Bingo.
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Read : we will deny other solutions until we come up with our own. In the meantime we will pooh pooh other’s efforts.
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Thank you.
Thank you for responding. However, I got the sense from the chap that responded to me that he would have been stuck on Mac and having no other alternatives - yet having mission critical, power hungry needs. What you describe is mostly preferences, and I tend to agree - that is why I am also hoping for a decent, good Mac Pro release. For personal use, mostly, so that is a balance of value it provides. And that's why I can wait - my personal stuff can run on old tech for a good while.
For professional use, the ship has sailed and I didn't have much choice anyhow. The question wasn't so much if I prefer one system over another but whether the work gets done more cost-efficiently / faster. And the answer was 'yes'. I may not like it, but that has little meaning since the work needs to get done before (late?) 2019 Macs arrive, and I need to keep up with deadlines. With luck, upcoming Mac Pro might be justifiable for business use and I'd be very happy camper. cMPs were _very_ good value, btw, in dual processor configurations - irrespective of the operating system and form factor. 2013 was a bad joke in that regards, and iMac Pro... let's not even get there, no matter how nice it feels.
THE standard for general video playback for live events is PlaybackPro which is Mac only. I am a motiongraphics designer who does most of her work in Apple Motion. If my work is very large format and requires multiple outputs, I operate those videos using Millumin which is also Mac-only. Sure there are alternative software that is windows for all of those functions but if I want to be proficient and confident things won’t crash and burn during a live event (because I have experienced so many fails using Windows for playback), I require a Mac. The AV companies I work for also prefer Mac.
Thanks for explaining. I don't try to be offensive here, but my original post used the word 'need' to mean just that; that people who can't get their stuff done anymore in competitive manner, due to lack of power, have or will move on since they sort of have to. If someone has been waiting from 2013... well, I guess they don't really need that much power in the end.
Those who don't necessarily 'need' but 'want' more, they can likely wait or go with iMac Pro and stay viable. A lot of what you shared sounds much like a preference - which I share too, btw. But my preferences don't pay my work-life bills.
Not really. I am just making a point that if you do money with these things, priorities lies on being able to deliver vs what I personally like to work on. If I can get both, great, but if I need to choose between the two, what brings in money wins. I need a computer to work. I need a computer that does not make me lose clients. I would prefer it to be a Mac since I like it more and it saves me 5% in efficiency and headaches (making those numbers up). If the needs are not fulfilled, I can not deliver. If the preference is compromised, I can still deliver, I just may not like it.
This applies to many fields, including photography - many amateurs want to have latest and greatest but those that try to make living, have to consider that some other aspects may be far more important than what they fancy.
So, Apple hopes I won't hold off buying an iMac Pro for a Mac Pro? But what if I definitely do not want machine with a screen? What option do I have? Two seriously outdated (e.g. no thunderbolt 3) machines. I am definitely holding off because there is no decent alternative and no way am I going to buy a 2014 machine like the current Mac mini or a Mac Pro without thunderbolt 3 now.
Apple is fine with you not buying an iMac Pro. But they teased a new Mac Pro in April 2017, and a lot of people were expecting it this year, even though no release date was promised.
With this latest update, Apple has announced a release date, but it’s not going to be the 2018 release that everyone would have preferred
If you’re really in the market for a Mac Pro I doubt you’d want a Mac mini, but since you mentioned it, Apple may release a refreshed mini before the Pro. If so, it would certainly have TB3.
MacPro update! Still no word. Still no sign. Is vaporware applicable to hardware as well? Maybe unicornmac.
I hate to say it, but at this point Apple might as well not bother. It will have been 7 years since they had a competent desktop for a power user. Is there ANYONE still waiting? No - which means Apple will have to try to rebuild the MP customer base from scratch. And it won't bother, as a new MP won't sell in sufficient numbers to make it worthwhile to Apple.
I don’t fit the mold of a Pro user by many people on here, so I may not know, but are current MacBook Pro’s or iMac Pro’s not capable machines? Are they not able to meet demands of Pro users? Not talking ports or user upgradeable parts, since there are solutions to both.
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"Capable" compared to what? The MBP hex core vs a similarly priced HP Z6? The iMP vs a similarly priced HP? No.
Note I said "power" user, not "Pro," which is a meaningless marketing term. Apple gave up in the power user market when it introduced the trash can MP.
That’s what I am asking pretty much. Are there that many tasks out there that require more power than what Apple currently offers? It seems like what they have available is pretty powerful and covers a good amount of tasks that people need, but I may just not know. I figured you or others would have better input here.
Compared to the base 8th Gen 8750H with adequate cooling & powertrain the MBP is joke, with it rapidly becoming a pretentious toy...
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I can't speak for anyone else, but part of my work involves very large dataset analysis using an app analogous to boinc. For number crunching, the MBPs, even with 6 cores, and the iMP are either a joke (the MBPs) or grossly overpriced (the iMP). But they do look nice.
It's really about the correct tool - running a MBP at 100% 24/7 is just not what they are built to do, and they throttle severely (NB - the GPU being used at 100% at the same time contributes to the problem - the MBP design doesn't allow adequate cooling for that kind of sustained operation). That's part of why the cMP is still a useful tool - it can be run 24/7 - and the tcMP is not. I don't do any sort of video or graphics work, so can't comment on those, but for hardcore computing, Apple's lineup is a sad joke. And what frustrates so many is that it used to be at least competent.
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I still have a 2010 MP that I upgraded to dual X5690s (3.46 GHz Xeons). It scores ~1700, which is better than the E5-2697 2.7 GHz 12 core tcMP, which is around 1550-1600.
They just don't know how to properly handle high-end GPU & CPU laptops, they tried with the trashcan and failed, imagine thin laptop chassis, they rather use mediocre GPUs for less heat and in the case of i9 MBP, time will tell, but have seen it stressed and temp gets too high, will likely bring issues if exposed too long to it.
This is something most tech industry is struggling with, look at Razer, beautiful machines, but they melt so fast, even their latest 15 with vapor chamber fails to properly cool. Whoever really solves high end hardware heat on thin chassis first will lead the game, might even compete with desktops if proper upgradeability is provided. Another thing is metal has a long way to go outside of Final Cut, Adobe's suite in Windows is outperforming macOS at the moment, which is ironic considering Apple was the first one interested Adobe's work back in the day.
Understandable. I never considered Mac’s the most powerful, but more so a solid combination of design, simplicity, security, good for designers, photographers, creators, that sort of thing, but never any sort of powerhouse. When you say they once were competent, I’m assuming the old cheese grater Mac Pro’s? Those are more powerful than what they offer today?