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Apple's Revamped Mac Pro to Launch in 2019
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Haha, way to Osbourne oneself... While ARM might possibly be the granddaddy of all processors, good luck getting the apps updated by then. And good luck being so late and asking people to invest to a sunsetting Intel unless they really, really have to. At which point you gotta ask how did those people survive that far.
More seriously, though, I'm getting tired with Apple. Partly for personal reasons and bad luck (what comes to upgrading computers), it appears I better go concentrate on something else than computers for a while. Work will give me a 'puter anyhow and in personal life I can figure out something else to do for the next n years.
That's almost a certainty.
While ARMs (especially Apple's) will be quite capable of powering a Mac mini or MacBook (non-pro) or Air-like Laptop, low-end iMacs, and an iPad Pro running iOS/X, I am relatively sure that Apple will maintain Intel CPUs in the MacBook Pro, the iMac Pro and the Mac Pro lines.
In fact, that will make the "Pro" moniker actually make some marketing sense.
2013 doesnt even count considering they released a literal trash can as an excuse for a 'pro' computer. 7 years to wait for a proper upgrade from the mid 2012 Mac Pro (which also sucked) is a SLAP to the face of every professional that relied on the Mac to do real work.
Guaranteed that whatever Apple releases next year (if they release, I wouldn't be surprised if they're just lying at this point) it will be outrageously priced considering the iMac is a rip off. If the Mac Pro doesn't go back to the modular design in a standard case like the 2006-2012 design, Apple can piss off.
It's no surprise that there's been a massive exodus of Mac Pro buyers that have switched to Hackintoshes; and what a treat since not only do the machines cost way less, they also run CIRCLES around the Mac Pros too. Glad I got my Hackintosh a few years ago; it's been amazing.
So here's a question. These are pro machines. That means that they are for making money with. The rearranged deck chairs that you reference have been making money (and lots of it for years now) why does Apple need to do it any differently? Pro's only goal is to make money, not have highest tech or style. If standard design that costs less gets that done why do it different?
Its hard out here for a Mac-centric-media-designer-living-in-a-4k-world.
The ARM chips in the phones and iPads are constrained by what? Thermal and battery concerns.
What can an Apple do with an ARM chip if they don't need to worry much about the former and next to nothing about the latter?
If you think that the Mac mini will compete with the Mac Pro for sales, you have NO idea what a Mac Pro is.
Sorry, you're right. But the end point is still "Apple makes more money" so I wasn't completely wrong
I predict a 12-core A12X based Mac Pro. Why else would it take so long to release?
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Or maybe it takes more than 12 months to conduct r&d for, design, and manufacture a new Mac Pro? Just a wild assumption.
Those aren't self canceling at all. I don't know how to rebuild my car's engine, but if it took my mechanic years to do so, I'm completely right if I say something is amiss.
Show me a truly new Apple Mac Pro design…you've got to go all the way back to 2013. That's half of my point. It shouldn't take six years to upgrade a computer!
The other half of my point is that maybe what customers need isn't a "truly new" design, but just a new, upgraded computer! This is especially the case if that truly new design turns out to be a dead end like the current Mac Pro. Apple could give customers a better, faster, and probably less expensive computer now (or better yet, last year, or the year before, or the year before that…).
If you think it should take one of the world's leading electronic companies six years to upgrade a computer, and that there's nothing wrong with that, then you and I have different expectations for what Apple is capable of. Apple is capable of much more than this, and the fact that they haven't delivered is evidence that they are doing something wrong. It's not my foot that's been shot.
Can't make those two "levels" of machine compatible on a system-design-level. Too many compromises in one direction or the other for that to not end in tears.
So much fail.
Step 1: Take OG MacPro case.
Step 2: Put off the shelf (modern) components in it.
Step 3: Profit
That is the totality of how difficult this process should be.....
Let's hope they finally bring back Dual Xeon... that will be pretty epic. GPU power is becoming more important... but blazing those 72,000+ Geekbench multicore scores will be
Probably won't happen.
Lots of folks wanted "dual xeons" to get to 8 DIMM slots . Apple can just do that with just one Intel W. Mac Pro 8 DIMMs and iMac Pro 4 DIMMs is a useful to keep the two differentiated.
The number of dual xeons never where the majority of Mac Pro sales. That's why the 2009-2012 model went through efforts to use same base system to cover both single and dual with the CPU card. Individually neither of them had critical mass to support separate development. ( other folks do different models but the both neither have have Apple's margins nor other design constraints).
The iMac Pro and the Mac Pro together might have critical mass. ( e..g., reach something close to a 100K per year run rate). They'd need to ahare major components but not the exact same physical logic board.
The iMac Pro has approximately the same thermal envelope as the MP 2013 did. The a new Mac Pro could simply just go back to 800-900W and do more. ( implementation of lesson learned. )
Both AMD and Intel have forked off the single CPU package workstation product SKU from the 2 (or more ) SKUs. And jacked up the prices for higher base clocks. They "data center" products are deoptimize for single user systems. They are tweaked toward many concurrent user workloads.
18 relatively fast cores covers a huge amount of workloads. Yes there are a few left over but how many folks in that few group. When Intel/AMD go to next round of fab process then probably will get an increase in core count. Basically getting going forward NUMA / multiple chip packages in these top end designs going forward. It is two CPU dies packaged in a single chip container.
What the "dual CPU package" is going forward is some multiple of two dies in two slots. That is going to drift farther and farther away from a single user looking at the screen selecting what to do next.
This is pathetic...
Companies like Dell can come out with tens of updated machines per year with different motherboards, form factors, etc, with much lower margins and cash on hand than Apple has.
Apple has much fewer products, and can't update a computer once every 5 years.
I'm tired of hearing excuses. It doesn't need Thunderbolt 4 or anything else coming out in 2019, give us a modern platform with current hardware. It doesn't take 4-5 years to design yourself out of a illogical trash can design.
If you are a electrical engineer and you can't design a motherboard in less than a year, you are in the wrong business. If you are a computer manufacturer and you can't hire the right people to get the job done in less than a year, you are in the wrong business. If you are a CEO and you can't get your act together with a product line you claim publicly is still important, you are in the wrong business and should resign.
And if you no longer care about this line of business, ADMIT IT and let your customers move on to companies who actually try harder than you do to serve their customers
Companies like Dell can come out with tens of updated machines per year with different motherboards, form factors, etc, with much lower margins and cash on hand than Apple has.
Apple has much fewer products, and can't update a computer once every 5 years.
I'm tired of hearing excuses. It doesn't need Thunderbolt 4 or anything else coming out in 2019, give us a modern platform with current hardware. It doesn't take 4-5 years to design yourself out of a illogical trash can design.
If you are a electrical engineer and you can't design a motherboard in less than a year, you are in the wrong business. If you are a computer manufacturer and you can't hire the right people to get the job done in less than a year, you are in the wrong business. If you are a CEO and you can't get your act together with a product line you claim publicly is still important, you are in the wrong business and should resign.
And if you no longer care about this line of business, ADMIT IT and let your customers move on to companies who actually try harder than you do to serve their customers
No, that would be the mini. The MP would have multiprocessor support. Maybe up to 4 A12s?
Jesus Christ, WE DON'T NEED THE WHEEL REINVENTED!!!!!!
Release a traditional tower with modern parts in 3 months and call it a day, MORONS!
Release a traditional tower with modern parts in 3 months and call it a day, MORONS!
So new Mac Pro in 2019, and Apple switching to their own processors in 2020.
Thus, the G5 situation will happen again where people purchased $4,000 PowerMac G5's that were discontinued from support 6 months later and couldn't run OS 10.6.
Thus, the G5 situation will happen again where people purchased $4,000 PowerMac G5's that were discontinued from support 6 months later and couldn't run OS 10.6.
Well a number of people just seem want Quanta to build the standard workstations they do for PC OEMs and put an Apple logo on it instead of an HP or Dell logo.
It's been 6 years since Apple updated the Mac Pro. When did they stop selling their large screens? Forgot, too long ago. At least 3 years for the Mac mini. The iMac hasn't changed in its design form for at least 6 years. Virtually the same since it was launched. Not as though you could change it too much, but still. I can't be optimistic when Apple has continued to disappoint veteran Mac Users. The user upgrades was targeted at Mac Pro, iMac models. I accept with laptops it may be a bit harder. But why can't Apple try to be different, compared to PC manufacturers, by offering clever designs that allow user upgrades? I remember being able to replace the large battery on a 17" MacBook Pro when they expanded due to a faulty battery component. I bought three 17" MacBook pros, best laptop ever in my opinion. And yes, the Micro LED displays look promising. If Apple can launch new iPhones every year or two, why can't they do the same for their computers? Sadly, Apple is a phone company now, not a computer company. I can't be positive or optimistic, until Apple make good macs, liked they did once.
So, the design process is going to take 2 or more years. This can only mean that either it’s so custom and non-serviceable (and non-Nvidia-able) as the iMac Pro, or, alternatively, that they prefer to wait until all the professionals have either purchased an iMac Pro or moved to Linux or Windows, so that they avoid releasing a modular/serviceable Mac, which would be a product against the current Apple strategy (“we decide, not you”).