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That sounds like my resumé, except for the Iphone and designing
µprocessors bit. I created a fair bit of VMS (especially VAXclusters)
when I was young.

You're biased if you think your biases are better informed. ;) They're
just your biases - not mine, not anyone elses.

You can have collective bias formed by cultural prejudice.
 
And what's the difference between this and the turtlenecked overlord
deciding which apps are allowed in the app store?

(Answer: The Chinese government is more predictable.)

No, the real answer is the Chinese government is forced upon all its people, while Apple is one of many companies in tech field. Nothing Apple makes can't be replaced by an equally common device.
 
absolute non-sense.

manufacturing products in China = business. does not censor freedom of speech.

censoring search results in China = bowing down to chinese censorship and free dom of speech FOR MONEY. this is 100 times more EVIL.

Obviously you're firmly grounded in your opinions and I'm sure you have justified reasons, but how do these not end at the same result? Companies who have their products manufactured in China are still going along with the Chinese government's rules to make money.

While it may not directly impact free speech to have all those iPhones made in China, it's still contributing to an economy that allows the repressive government to grow larger and larger. Portions of all those manufacturing contracts go to the government and effectively fund the censorship rules you're so adamantly against. In the case of a service company like Google, the approval of censorship is explicit in entering that market. In the case of any manufacturer, doing business there is an implicit approval of the censorship.

It sounds like vegetarian vs vegan; it's great you no longer eat beef, but where do you think your leather belt and shoes came from?
 
All or most of those PDAs had a D-pad to navigate, so we really didn't need a stylus so much. I used my finger quite often.

The only time we really needed a stylus was with the stock MS onscreen keyboard, which was a tiny piece of junk... and why a lot us either got a third party replacement or owned a model with a physical keyboard.

Being more touch friendly was something that was coming as an option anyway, as screen sizes were growing and hardware was getting better. Such phones as the NeoNodes and Pradas and some Samsungs were already trying it.
I occasionally used my finger as well, however, it was cumbersome because the hardware (resistive screens) and software (stylus-based GUI) weren't designed for it. I used various 3rd party onscreen keyboards for WM and not one of them worked well for finger input.

Additionally, before the iPhone, every touchscreen phone I used either had nothing in place to accommodate finger input or had some horrible implementation thrown on as an afterthought.

Apple played on their huge advantage of having no legacy phones or PDAs that they had to stay compatible with. Legacy support is why it's taken so long for others to make similar break-away devices.
Sure, it was easier for Apple and Google since they started from scratch. But Palm and Microsoft could've switched to developing finger-input devices much sooner (instead of waiting until after the iPhone was successful). Palm didn't announce its capacitance touchscreen finger-input platform (webOS) until 2 years after Apple announced the iPhone and Microsoft didn't announce WM7 until over a year after Palm announced webOS.

Even ZuneHD, which had no legacy support issues, didn't come until 2 years after the iPod touch (and almost 3 years after the iPhone's initial announcement).

OTOH, there were dozens of WVGA models available at the time, with faster CPUs. Apple kind of went mid-range there.
I'm not familiar with the dozens of small, lightweight WVGA phones from early 2007 that you speak of. For purposes of comparison, two of the PDAs I owned back in the day, the Dell X50v and HP hx4700, had large VGA screens and nice GPUs. But they were heavy and bulky to the point that I didn't like carrying them around (I downgraded to an rx1955 because of that). And also, they weren't phones.

What I was getting at was that the iPhone is the first phone I'm aware of with a form-factor that had *all* of the following (or better):
  • <5 ounces
  • <.5" thick
  • 3.5" screen
  • HVGA resolution
As for capacitance, multitouch, HVGA, the iPhone was announced months after the OpenMoko phone with all that. The iPhone simply got much more press coverage.
Yep, I was psyched for the OpenMoko after they showed *concept renderings* of their device and some mockups of how finger input could work. But two months later Apple showed *working pre-production* iPhones.

So I wouldn't characterize the two announcements with "The iPhone simply got much more press coverage", especially since Apple had been working secretively on the iPhone for years.
 
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And so it begins the, Phone wars have....

Haha, cool. However, Google is no matchup. :D
 
Or in non-fanboy speak:

"Waaaaaaaaahh! I don't want to share my monopoly!"

:D:apple:

Always ALWAYS copying greatness! Apple Inc. has no equal!

Your Messiah's own quote:

"We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas."
- Steve Jobs

From a comment from leoc at lwn.net:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

Who came out of the gate first with the "home computer" (as Dick Clark likes to call it on $25,000 Pyramid)? IBM.

What did Apple do? Copied.

Who came out w/ the first MP3 player? No idea.

Who took their time to introduce the first iPod Classic? Apple.

Who started making cellular phones back in the 1980's? Lots of companies (Nokia, Motorla, etc.).

Who took their dick sweet time to release one? Apple. Why? Because they wanted everyone ELSE to invent the "smart phone" first so they could copy it.

When will you doube standards (because I fear the wrath of the moderators here at MR if I use the "H"-word) ever see the light?
 
Which is why Windows 7 alone at 10% has about twice Apple's 5% net market share, right?

Sadly, the real innovators don't always end up on top. The one who is able to commoditize the innovations of his competitors and make them (by hook or by crook) the de facto standards for the ignorant masses - why, he's the one who becomes king.

Of course in the technology world I'm talking about your much beloved benevolent dictator, Microsoft.

The world is an unjust place. Pay it no mind and keep shilling your swill.

LOL that megalomania is accepted as the norm for the iCEO :D

Hmm, who was the one screaming "Give it up for me!!!" in a sweat-soaked public spectacular of self-adulation? Hint: it wasn't Steve Jobs nor anyone else at Apple.

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Sadly, the real innovators don't always end up on top. The one who is able to commoditize the innovations of his competitors and make them (by hook or by crook) the de facto standards for the ignorant masses - why, he's the one who becomes king.

Of course in the technology world I'm talking about your much beloved benevolent dictator, Microsoft.

The world is an unjust place. Pay it no mind and keep shilling your swill.

Simple principle at work. To be number one, one has to become number one. I saw it at AMD when new management decided we could only beat Intel by switching from 40-man design teams to 500-man design teams.

For Apple to beat MS in market share, its stuff would inevitably end up being full of the same compromises and lack of coherent vision as MS's stuff.
 
Obviously you're firmly grounded in your opinions and I'm sure you have justified reasons, but how do these not end at the same result? Companies who have their products manufactured in China are still going along with the Chinese government's rules to make money.

While it may not directly impact free speech to have all those iPhones made in China, it's still contributing to an economy that allows the repressive government to grow larger and larger. Portions of all those manufacturing contracts go to the government and effectively fund the censorship rules you're so adamantly against. In the case of a service company like Google, the approval of censorship is explicit in entering that market. In the case of any manufacturer, doing business there is an implicit approval of the censorship.

It sounds like vegetarian vs vegan; it's great you no longer eat beef, but where do you think your leather belt and shoes came from?



it's different. :rolleyes:
 
For Apple to beat MS in market share, its stuff would inevitably end up being full of the same compromises and lack of coherent vision as MS's stuff.

Thank heavens for alternative, niche markets and the superior products they provide. If the AidenShaws of the world had their way, we'd all be driving Toyotas, shopping at WalMart, eating at McDonalds, and computing on Dells with Microsoft Windows.

*shudder*
 
I wonder why so many gave this article a negative rating.

What's so shocking about large corporations battling? That's what they do.

I'd rather have this than some corporate oligarchy dividing the markets among themselves.
 
The increasing competition has even resulted in Apple considering replacing Google's search engine with Microsoft's Bing as the default on the iPhone.

Steve man stop drinking the punch its bad for you. The companies are so far apart in competition make me wonder how high the paranoia will rich in the coming years with the CEO. Bing and MS$ now that is a joke.
 
Microsoft wants to sell you software.

Apple wants to sell you hardware and it wants total control over its computer/gadget ecosystem.

No problem with either MS or Apple there.

Herr Schmidt and the Google gestapo want to know everything about you, control you, and take over the world. That's a problem.

Post of the Year. :D this is why I'm Starting to see that Google is getting worse than MS...
 
The increasing competition has even resulted in Apple considering replacing Google's search engine with Microsoft's Bing as the default on the iPhone.

Bad idea. The more you limit your customers in what software they use the more they are likely to spend their money elsewhere.

People may take this kind of being held on a leash for a while, but there's a tipping point to that.
 
It's so funny. This site used to be very pro Google. Now that Apple and Google are "battling" suddenly everyone thinks they are evil. Hilarious.

Please Steve Jobs, tell us who we should hate next. LMAO
 
The facts are...

Android doesn't exist and Google is just a search engine, not a cellphone company.

Apple is a company with trajectory and success with computers, software, iMac, iPhone and now the iPhone. Google still just a SEARCH ENGINE.

Now the iPhone is a very anoying device because of the touchscreen, still clubsy and slow, that is why I do not have one, I believe is the **** still. I do not have a black berry neither because is a pain and the only thing good about the blackberry is the pin.

So, prooooooobably the Android may have some room in there but again... Apple is Apple and no matter how many Eiffel Towers you build, there is only one.

You can not hide the sun with one finger... the iPhone revolutionized the cellphone phone industry. Goigle just did things better and that was it.
 
Isn't this a subjective and individual matter of preference? It is possible to run Android without any Google proprietary software. When I had an iPhone, my most-used apps were created by Google. When I had a BlackBerry, my most-used apps were created by Google. Again, they make things that work and work well.


It's tough for me to think anything is created without economic interests in mind. I'd argue Google isn't the only beneficiary, though. Everyone in the OHA stands to gain from this project.

I'm trying to show you the forest man, and you are talking about the trees. Open Source was at first kind of like a non-formal academic environment for computer scientists and engineers. Individuals contributed, and society, or at least the CS's and engineers benefited. OHA is nothing like that. It is pure corporate-driven. The members of the society and the internal Google control precludes code contribution that formerly characterized Linux development.

Yes, sure, nothing created is for anything but economic gain. But in Linux development, economic gain was realized by individual coders working in a community that supported one another. This is a corporate community that you really can't break into, becauase the code develpment follows the interests of the corporations. In all other open source projects, it wasn't like that.

So, in my belief, it is a fallacy to call this open source. Basically, it's just a stratagem to diffuse legal liability among the OHA.

Now that argument is long, and I can't take any more of your bromides such as, "everyone who creates something has an economic interest." So, I leave it for you to think of.
 
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