Apple's September Quarter Mac Sales Projected to be "Massive"

[Peel]

The stock may fall, but it will have nothing to do with this news report. Stocks rise and fall on expectations for the future. Clearly the market already expected at least what was predicted today, OR doesn't believe it. People who think that the market is somehow fixed against their favorite company are idiots.

I trust you weren't calling me an idiot in your remarks.

What I meant by my statement was that Apple has traditionally been conservative about their future earnings, and certain wall street analysts have been a bit more bullish. Those more outstanding predictions tend to get spread around the internet, and then if Apple doesn't perform to those numbers (even though they may have done well by their own published predictions), the financial press tends to jump on them calling their earnings sub-par. I wouldn't say that the market is fixed against Apple, just that inverstors, as a whole, tend to follow the more sensational reports and act accordingly. And Apple, as a company in the spotlight for its tendancy to buck the status quo, seems to get more of these sensational reports than perhaps your average fortune 500 company does.

 

[wadejc85]

I recommend Dell to the people I hate...

Heh.. for some reason, I just pictured an evil laugh after this.

I agree and do the same. Mwahahaha!

 

[swb1192]

Like I said, just google - there must be a world full of wackos; hmm or is it Dell stinks. I know too many people, personally. Just look

I would actually have liked to post the actual links but there is just a way too many..... Just google the exact words I have below and see all the results appear before your eyes. And that is just the tip of the iceburg.

Web Results 1 - 10 of about 15,000,000 for Dell problems.
Results 1 - 10 of about 1,470,000 for Dell bad lcd
Results 1 - 10 of about 114,000 for dell laptop lcd fails after 1 year
Results 1 - 10 of about 394,000 for Dell USB Fail
Results 1 - 10 of about 824,000 for Dell Harddrive fail
Results 1 - 10 of about 419,000 for Dell bad customer service.
Results 1 - 10 of about 363,000 for Dell bad DVD

-snip-

I may be a Mac boy, but I think it's funny that when you replace "dell" with "mac," you get more results than with dell....?

 

[wadejc85]

I may be a Mac boy, but I think it's funny that when you replace "dell" with "mac," you get more results than with dell....?

People shouldn't even be supporting their statements with Google search result numbers in the first place. It means absolutely nothing, except X number of pages have a, b, and c words on it.

Get over the Dell vs Mac thing!

 

[137489]

Dunno, maybe just bad Karma. I have no reason to think you're lying, besides the obvious (that your experience is SO far outside the norm, and you make no attempt to hide your Apple-fandom). So, assuming you're telling the truth, then we have a couple options - bad luck, yes, always possible. Several of the problems you listed were not Dell's fault, as you said, the fault of a bad contractor (#4), software problems outside Dell's control (#7), faulty building power systems (#5), problems made to seem common simply because Dell is the most popular computer in the world (#8).

You've clearly made up your mind, but you're a wacko if you believe your experience is typical.

Oh yeah, I forgot to add one more thing.... Apple-Fandom. Yes, I love Apple own a macbook (since April) and a mini (3 weeks now). However.....

1. I had an HP Media Center 2005 for 3 1/2 years. I just retired it. Nothing really wrong with it, except and occassional hiccup with Windows Media center Edition compatibility with software (XP professional so much better); and the fact is only has 512 ram. It had one more ram slot in it, but since it was a 2004 yr generation AMD - I figured it was time to retire it anyway. the machine never gave me any hardware problems - just was getting to old to run the latest software efficiently.

2. I had a Toshiba Laptop. Bought it in 2001, running a Pentium III 900 mhz class celeron and only had a DVD-ROM (drive would not even burn CD-R's). It was running XP-Home edition. I kept that machine until the summer of 2006, when I needed a newer machine to support my job off hours (they would not give me equipment at home, yet I had to take calls off hours - that's when I made my Dell mistake). I gave the toshiba to my Pastor. Almost 9 years old, and that machine is still running efficiently. He said this is the best computer he has ever worked with. In fact he even stopped using his desktop in his office and at home. Who could blame him with running 5hrs on a battery charge (and yes, the battery still charges correctly and still gets 5 hrs).

3. I worked for a company that was buying laptops for all their field persons. It was before I got introduced to apple. I told them Toshiba. They bought the mid-range Toshibas and never had a problem with them.

5. Just today I recommended A205-S5000 toshiba laptop today to a worship pastor. He really needs and wants a mac laptop - but his current financial needs would not allow him to spend $1,000 on a machine. The poor guy won a lottery to be #85 in line to get grabs at some old Gateways the college he works for was selling for $200. I told him, before he gets a computer that he has no idea the functionality or if it has any existing problems, here is one you can go into Walmart; and for a little more get something close to what you use it for. and No, I know you need GarageBand - but the only way to get that is on a mac. For what you want, other than GarageBand, and since the college will sell you Windows software for $10 - this Toshiba laptop would suit you fine. Just see me, because if it does not have SP1 for Vista 0- you will surely want that. All he wants is office, itunes, and wireless so he can take his online courses when work is slow - the college will let him work on his courses on the nights he is not overly busy. Other than he really wanted garageband and maybe Logic

So see, I am a fanboy - but I will recommend a quality or the best Windows computer for someone who cannot afford a mac, but does not want to get ripped off either -but they only have a certain budget to work with.

The poor worship Pastor has been looking at a mac for so long, and even contemporary Christian artists like Lenny Leblanc, Steven Curtis Chapman, and a few others he came to know are asking "you still don't have a mac?"

I really wish I had the money just to donate through the church, so that he could get the mac he needs for this music ministry.

 

[137489]

I may be a Mac boy, but I think it's funny that when you replace "dell" with "mac," you get more results than with dell....?

My point was for that person to google him self and to actually see the number of articles that come up that he can read. Like I said I wish I could post all the links, but that post would take up a whole page on this furom and maybe more. Or crash poor Arn's MySQL - and I know he would not like that so much.

 

[137489]

People shouldn't even be supporting their statements with Google search result numbers in the first place. It means absolutely nothing, except X number of pages have a, b, and c words on it.

Get over the Dell vs Mac thing!

Read my post right before this one. I know how Google search works. I was just telling the person to do it and actually read the articles and posts that come up, for themselves.

But yes, I will agree this Dell vs mac thing has really gone on (I think it is a bigger war than Windows vs OSX) - but what gets me is how people will tought Dell and say your problems are out of the norm and you must just have bad luck when we can prove the problem is more than just a random occurance. Especially since Dell has been sued a number of times over.

I am not saying Apple is perfect either, as I have seen many posts - but when people can point to 100's of problems and back them up - then it is a little funny when you are called a wacko, have bad karma, out of the norm, etc.

Of course what makes Dell stick out more, is the fact they are the number one selling computer (for now), and now that they dropped their prices and standards; and are sticking them at walmart - people are buying the $700-$980 Dell Laptops over a comperably good (comparing spec vs spec) Toshiba, Acer, Gateway that sell for $400-$700 and end up with less of a quality machine and crappy customer service to boot.

I also read a few articles that Dell closed the kiosks in malls for 3 reasons.

1. They wanted to get into Walmart where they had higher exposure and could sell off lower quality machines to the masses at lower prices.

2. they were sick of hearing about all the people walking up to the sales kiosk with Dell in hand asking for on-the-spot support or for the kiosk to help them get service on their Dell - because the Kiosks were Dell sales employees wearing Dell shirts.

3. they laid off all the kiosk employees as they needed to cut costs. so rather than paying a college person $10/hr or whatever they got, then the rent for the kiosk spot - they saved the money and stuck them in a big box store and knew people would buy them just for the name. the only thing is -I think this may backfire. the kiosks would atleast have working demo's you could try and the kiosk sales people would help you configure a machine. When was the last time you got that at wally world.

Actually, when was the last time an associate at wally world could even help you make an informed choice on buying a computer.

 

[137489]

Get over the Dell vs Mac thing!

OK. Enough said.

 

[collegebound]

dell or not to dell

I'm the one who dared mention I'm considering Dell (or HP). Just wanted to say my Dell Desktop is pushing 5 years old, never a single problem. (knock wood-that hard drive must be getting near the end......how long do those things last) It's just a home PC, lots of surfing and documents and photos, not heavy business use.

Still thinking. Leaning toward just waiting and see what news is out by 9/14......My brother (HUGE Mac fan) leans towards getting the newest one..

 

[137489]

One last post.

And before anyone things I am only partial to HP and Toshiba on the PC side of the fence.

I worked for a company that had over 1000 IBM NetVista's (well until Netvista was no longer sold - then they became thinkcenter's - we rolled out the thinkcenters once the netvista stock ran out) in the field (this was before the sell out to lenovo). We downgraded some from XP to 2000 as certain apps were only certified on 2000; the others where we did not load that app, we left XP. 2 of them we upgraded to 2003 server. Other than when Seagate had the run of bad drives - we never had a problem out of the machines hardware wise. I almost bought one as a desktop myself, but one employee ticked off CDW and we lost our corporate pricing. Of course at the time they were $1000 machines. Now you can pick them up for $500

My wife's work uses the newer:

Her company rents the computers with service contracts - so they get them replaced every 2 years. she been with the company 8 years, on her 3rd computer and is in the next cycle of replacements.

 

[gkarris]

I was at the Apple Store today - I could hard walk around in it - extremely crowded. People buying computers, iPhones, and many students trying to get the Back-To-School deal...

 

[137489]

I'm the one who dared mention I'm considering Dell (or HP). Just wanted to say my Dell Desktop is pushing 5 years old, never a single problem. (knock wood-that hard drive must be getting near the end......how long do those things last) It's just a home PC, lots of surfing and documents and photos, not heavy business use.

Still thinking. Leaning toward just waiting and see what news is out by 9/14......My brother (HUGE Mac fan) leans towards getting the newest one..

It does not take much on this furom to start a PC vs mac war seriously dude (or dudette if your a girl). I'd go with a mac and run parallels or fusion so you can still have your windows stuff, if you need it. Some colleges require macs only. Other Windows only. And others do not care. Most will not let you hook into their network and if they do, then you must have a certain spec.

I run parallels, others claim fusion runs better (I got parallels for free pre-configured). I do not like boot camp as I hate rebooting just to switch OS's. If you are going to be doing something heavy like MS-SQL, video editing or something hardware intensive - then I would go with bootcamp so that you can have all your system resources dedicated to the one OS.

Seriously, get what you need and can afford. Just do your research first. I and a few other people on this forum have bought and then sold machines that turned out to be a way less than what they were hoping. a macbook is a good middle of the road (better than a mini, almost same class as an imac - but you are not tied to a desk, and less expensive and almost comperable to a macbook pro). I got my macbook with parallels XP, 2gb ram, 250 gb harddrive. I just got a wacom bamboo tablet to plug into the USB and turned on inkwell and handwritting recognition. So, now I have close to tablet features but less than the cost of a tablet PC (I heard Vista tablets are still a little glitchy - but I never tried one off hand).

me, I am satisfied. And if you do by a mac. Get Circus Ponies Notebook rather soon. It has comperable features as MS onenote, and automatic indexing features and if you buy before version 3.0 is released - you can upgrade to 3.0 for free.

3.0 I read has some nice features like native handwriting recognition, sketching, stickies, etc. Here is the link:

http://www.circusponies.com/notebook30.html

The only thing is some colleges are requiring MS onenote as part of the musts for a curriculum. OneNote runs fine in Parallels, fusion, and bootcamp. I also run it in parallels - I have not converted all my stuff to notebook or PDF yet. Just 2 draw backs on onenote:

1. Cache file will eat up your disk space.
2. Auto backups will eat your disk space.
you will need to watch those files and delete them occassionally.

One big advantage on OneNote is no Save button (yes totally weird for an MS app). It saves automatically, so if you lose power or your battery goes dead, you do not lose your work.

If you have any more questions click on my name and email me. I would share more, but I have to get up in less than 7 hrs for work (luckily I work from home now and tomorrows Friday - one of my slower days).

Oh and one more thing. Do yourself a favor and check out MACMALL.COM. they some some nice options and pretty competative pricing. They are an authorized re-seller and they will also have you applecare warrenty for you (applecare is a must - gives you 3 years with no worries and I heard from people have it also saved some of the possible repair hassles they would have had for the one or two flukey machines -opps may be starting another 100 posts). But seriously, get your applecare. MACMALL ships either same or next day, the system will be pre-configured, so all you have to do it just load any additional software you have. Pretty much I just took it out of the box, installed my extra software and was up and running in 15 min. Also, go to my blog on my website.

http://web.me.com/shervieux then click on blog and read "Tales of an Apple Switcher". Just one little note - the 2 button mouse thing. I turned on my finger click in my preferances (lay 2 fingers on the trackpad and click) - that is your right click. Or you can do what I did at first and justget a two button mouse. I come to like the two-finger click better.

 

[heisetax]

Uh, yeah, sure. My donkey and wagon are just as good as my neighbors BMW. I'm sure your PowerPC is fine for email but it can't render web pages quickly. Watching someone suffer to prove a bad point is one of the best forms of schadenfreude.

With the exception to running Windows on my Mac, I like my 1.67 GHz PPC 17" PowerBook for other Mac work just as well as my dual 1.25 GHz PPC PowerMac & my 1st Gen dual 3GHz Intel Mac Pro. I find that the internet is fast enough on the PPC's. I don't notice a noticeable slowdown. My son still uses his dual PPC G5 PowerMac where using PhotoShop & Aperture is his main programs. He has about 10 FW800 external hard drives hooked to this setup. He is not complaining about speed or the lack of it.

Except for running Window on ones Mac, the PPC Mac has plenty of speed for the many PPC Mac Users that are still proudly out there.

I think that your opinion shows bias & not actual intelligent PPC & Intel usuage.

I'll probably replace my PPC PowerBook, not because it is not doing its job, but because of heavy usuage by other members of the family leaves me without a PowerBook too much of the time. Then there is that Windows thing. I'm the only member of the family that must be able to run Windows on a daily basis.

All of my PPC & Intel Macs run an 802.11n wireless internet, has a TB or more of storage, will run OS 10.4 or 10.5 as needed & any of the internet browsers that I like to use. FireFox 3.0.1 is used the most, but Safari 3 is also used. I plan on purchasing an iPodTouch when the new ones come out. I need to replace a Palm PDA. Music will probably still be handled by my 160 GB iPod Classic.

Just because I like my PPC Macs doesn't mean that I don't like the Intel Macs or vice-versa. An older PPC Mac that someone owns does a better job of running OS 10.4'10.5 than an Intel Mac that someone plans to purchase.

Long live both the PPC MAC & the Intel MAC,

 

[hiimamac]

Very true.

So what do you think will happen?

They are talking something they have never done! So?!

None of the Macbooks or Mini's had decent GPU's
The iMac has always been glossy.

My thinking if they want HUGE (someone once told me here, "why do they care if they want all of the large market..." LOL, apparently they do.

I'm thinking its too late for the HUGE SCHOOL MARKET (back to school) but for Christmas, imagine a newer macbook, with great GPU, all mac's have GPU, priced reduced, then in November we see the 4 core MBP and 16 core Mac Pro's.

I am also guessing that it would be really easy to offer a TOUCH to someone that wants a TOUCH with internet (3G), just add it and have them sign a month to month service. Of course, they need to figure out the 3G problems as is. Right now the first lawsuit popped up today, Alabama I believe, lawsuit saying it's not twice as fast, 3G doesn't work, and it's not half the price. ...

If 3G can be fixed via firmware great - if not and its an INFINEON problem, then Apple is going to have a real disaster on their hands.

So what does everyone else think it will be?

 

[hiimamac]

i dont know what to do...

Well, as a avid listener of many mac PODCASTS, many say, for example, that while the newer MBP's and their PINCH technology are cool, hip, and sexy at first, 90% of the people DO NOT USE these features in the long run.

Either way, it really depends what you are going to do. Right now, a 2.4 MBP can run LOGIC for example with loads of tracks and more than my desktop could just a few years ago, and you can record a full fledged 24+ track recording and audio plug ins, synth's and plug-ins, so, it really depends.

If on the other hand you are RENDERING, and there was for sure coming a 4 CORE MBP, then that would be worth the wait, keeping in mind that it will drain the battery, plus it might be smaller, more like the air.

Still though, all of them, even refurbished $2500 machine six months ago, can be had for $1900 or so and will last you 4+ years. If its any consolation, I have a friend that works full time FOLEY for UNIVERSAL and he JUST bought a Macbook Pro and used a G4 laptop for several years. So it's really in the hands of how you work.

The only thing that concerns me, if I were you, would be the price cuts and perhaps, added NEW GPU on all the systems. So what are you going to do with it.

 

[cameronjpu]

I may be a Mac boy, but I think it's funny that when you replace "dell" with "mac," you get more results than with dell....?

No way. You mean that retarded "evidence" that Dell's have a 100% failure rate wasn't accurate?

 

[Shot22]

I can't even count the number of people I know that have bought MacBooks for the upcoming college semester, so this story is quite believable. This raises a big question in my mind: how is the stock of the current-generation notebooks?

 

[cameronjpu]

I can't even count the number of people I know that have bought MacBooks for the upcoming college semester, so this story is quite believable. This raises a big question in my mind: how is the stock of the current-generation notebooks?

Not really any reports of shortages, just suggestions that inventory systems are starting to be updated to report them as out of production. Hopefully they will have enough to last through the introduction of the new line, whenever that is...

 

[twoodcc]

well now, that is some serious numbers. let's hope they are right.

yeah, it would be hard to buy a computer now, and it would also be hard to wait. i'm not sure what i would do if i was in the market. probably wait though

 

[hiimamac]

1. user in Needham Mass - He had to rebuild

Need I go on? Bad Luck? Personal Opinion? Just google on Dell problems <insert your problem> or google "DELL NY COUMO LAWSUIT"

bETTER YET - HERE IS THE LINK:
http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2008/may/may27a_08.html

I like apple and their products and just don't get the whole non dedicated GPU in lower end as it only affects the Pro's which make up about 1% of todays marketshare.

As I speculated on say a TOUCH with 3G, I quickly retorted to APPLE needs to fix the current 3G problems and while I love Apple (but hate the idea of non GPU in lower end models) as well as 3G not being half the price and ATT charging more...since you were speaking of lawsuits, here is one (of many I am sure) that is coming at Apple.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/AheadoftheCurve/story?id=5617800&page=1

3G is horrible everywhere - it is not AT&T, it is the phone as other 3G devices work fine and this problem is world wide. Can you imagine a recall?

 

[bgomez15]

Wait or Buy...

Well, as a avid listener of many mac PODCASTS, many say, for example, that while the newer MBP's and their PINCH technology are cool, hip, and sexy at first, 90% of the people DO NOT USE these features in the long run.

Either way, it really depends what you are going to do. Right now, a 2.4 MBP can run LOGIC for example with loads of tracks and more than my desktop could just a few years ago, and you can record a full fledged 24+ track recording and audio plug ins, synth's and plug-ins, so, it really depends.

If on the other hand you are RENDERING, and there was for sure coming a 4 CORE MBP, then that would be worth the wait, keeping in mind that it will drain the battery, plus it might be smaller, more like the air.

Still though, all of them, even refurbished $2500 machine six months ago, can be had for $1900 or so and will last you 4+ years. If its any consolation, I have a friend that works full time FOLEY for UNIVERSAL and he JUST bought a Macbook Pro and used a G4 laptop for several years. So it's really in the hands of how you work.

The only thing that concerns me, if I were you, would be the price cuts and perhaps, added NEW GPU on all the systems. So what are you going to do with it.

It's strange that you mention logic and running tracks and rendering... i actually am trying to purchase a laptop for this recording arts school i'll be attending next month.

So if you've seen what your friend has done, then you know what kind of power i'll need. I probably won't be doing anything crazy intense stuff until like later this year. but this is a long term investment so im thinking ahead. i might need this power a year from now. i might decide i want to score a film and use pro tools or soundtrack pro for editing and mixing all the sound design, ADR, Foley, and Music for the film. for something like that i may need 40+ tracks running at the same time...

or even if i dont have that many tracks but i wanna run a bunch of plug-ins, that also could take a lot of power...

 

[Kiyomizu]

I'm one of those waiting to purchase a MBP in the next 90 days. I don't even own an iPod and I certainly don't use iTunes but I believe that OSX is a stable OS than Vista or even XP. That's what convinced me to turn to Apple other than that, the kool aid is luke warm at the local Apple stand.

Here's hoping that Apple will go fully HD and add HDMI with optional Blu Ray, then I will be truly convinced that its a prosumer high tech corporation.

 

[rubberduck007]

Hi
Surely lots of people like myself are waiting for new models to be released. Apple will have to revise models soon if they want to catch this quarter.
Phil

Don't call me Shirley.

 

[THX1139]

I like the term halo effect for part of this prediction. I feel when people get their hands on their first Apple product, many times an iPod, it does bring them back to look at what else is offered. The success of the iPod contributes a lot to the success of the mac computer I feel.
Good news for Apple and my stocks.

Didn't work for my roommate. She bought an iPod and found her old Dell computer didn't work with iTunes (it was too slow). She decided to buy a new laptop just to run her iPod and manage her music library. I told her she should look at buy an Apple computer and so she stopped by the Apple store to check it out. A few days later she comes home with a brand new laptop... another Dell. I asked her why she didn't get an Apple and she told me it was too expensive. She got a really nice laptop that had all the bells and whistles and it cost her only $600. It also runs iTunes (Windows) just fine. Not everyone can justify the premium price point that Apple charges for their products.

 

[hiimamac]

It's strange that you mention logic and running tracks and rendering... i actually am trying to purchase a laptop for this recording arts school i'll be attending next month.

So if you've seen what your friend has done, then you know what kind of power i'll need. I probably won't be doing anything crazy intense stuff until like later this year. but this is a long term investment so im thinking ahead. i might need this power a year from now. i might decide i want to score a film and use pro tools or soundtrack pro for editing and mixing all the sound design, ADR, Foley, and Music for the film. for something like that i may need 40+ tracks running at the same time...

or even if i dont have that many tracks but i wanna run a bunch of plug-ins, that also could take a lot of power...

Basically it comes down to this. Audio=any MacBook Video,especially 3d ska motion= MacBook pro as you need the video card and who knows what the next versions will be. But for audio any mac will do. For rendering, the more cores the better or faster speeds. You can also do well if you go to apple's website and look at the refurbishedacbook pros. Then you are
Ore future proof and at a good deal with 3. Year apps care. Hope this helps.