Apple's Tim Cook and More Than 100 CEOs Urge Congress to Protect Dreamers

[magicschoolbus]

That illegal immigration IS part of this conversation. There are no “dreamers” without illegal immigrant parents. Period. Why should dreamer children enjoy benefits in states like California, that my kids don’t qualify for? Like College education paid for. The left is out of control. Absolutely gone. The right is not much better for different reasons.

Because you have white privilege.

Lmfao. Poor illegal immigrant children should get free school while you bust your middle-class ass every day, get up every day, commute to work, maintain a steady job, all to be able to afford to send your kids to school. Because it is your white privilege to do all of this! It's to bad you don't have your illegal immigrant children privilege so you didn't have to maintain a steady job, get up everyday, bust your ass, and make life better for your children.. when the government could just do that for you for free because of your illegal immigrant privilege. And who pays for this illegal immigrant privilege? The same white privilege middle-class that's busting their ass every day to just make due and try to put their kid through school. Have you thought about illegally going to Mexico and demanding voter rights and free education for your illegal children?

 

[gnipgnop]

Federal court has no jurisdiction over a executive order by the president!! Learn Civics !! Will be thrown out by the Supreme Court!!

DACA is a deferment created during the Obama administration. Trump hasn't actually issued any executive orders regarding DACA. He claimed that he supported the Dream Act during his campaign and he continues to claim that he supports DACA to this date. However, his support of DACA is only connected to using it as a bargaining chip to try and get funding for a border wall. That is completely undermined by the fact that Jeff Sessions is trying to claim DACA was illegal. It's just another example of how bad Trump actually is when it comes to "deals". He doesn't even seem to understand that kicking DACA recipients out of the country would effectively end his ability to try and extort wall $$.

 

[GuruZac]

Again, what’s your rational and pragmatic solution?

I know that “states rights” is just a catch phrase, kind of like “the wall, virtue signaling, chain migration” and other fun phrases, but some states have exercised their rights and elected to treat DACA designees as the actual residents they are, along with the benefits therein. That rarely means free tuition.

Should your children wish to attend college in California and pay in-state tuition you could, like, move.

I have zero desire to move to the bankrupt circus that is California. And furthermore, you missed my point. Dreamers do get FREE tuition that moving to that ******** still wouldn’t cover for my “in-state” kids. You see the problem here I hope. And for states that have agreed to support illegal immigration and/or the cities that designate themselves as sanctuary cities ought get zero federal financial aid and held legally accountable. Either we have rule of law or we don’t. You choose. The problem with the left is they cry foul and racism (although I wasn’t aware that illegal immigrants qualify as a race...) over anything that has to do with anyone not white. It is what it is. If you didn’t like or agree with Obama, you were racist or racially motivated. If you didn’t think Hillary was fit for the job, you were sexist or Bigoted. I’m an all for helping out others in need, absolutely. We just like to help those here ILLEGALLY who ought to come second to those LEGALLY here in need.

 

[deanthedev]

Your comment is hilarious, because you responded with a liberal stereotype then went into projection mode and said don't do that to me, and didn't even realize it. It's why you are what you are.

It is your character that needs searching, and when you find out the true reflection it will be a hard pill to swallow.

Reading comprehension eludes you. As I already stated, my comment was directed at Trump. No projection required, it’s simple truth.

Nothing hard to swallow here and no soul searching needed, since I’m not a bigot or racist.

 

[GuruZac]

Because you have white privilege.

Lmfao. Poor illegal immigrant children should get free school while you bust your middle-class ass every day, get up every day, commute to work, maintain a steady job, all to be able to afford to send your kids to school. Because it is your white privilege to do all of this! It's to bad you don't have your illegal immigrant children privilege so you didn't have to maintain a steady job, get up everyday, bust your ass, and make life better for your children.. when the government could just do that for you for free because of your illegal immigrant privilege. And who pays for this illegal immigrant privilege? The same white privilege middle-class that's busting their ass every day to just make due and try to put their kid through school. Have you thought about illegally going to Mexico and demanding voter rights and free education for your illegal children?

Amen. Amen. Amen.

 

[gnipgnop]

Either we have rule of law or we don’t. You choose.

Rule of law doesn't = every law is enforced equally. The executive branch can choose what the priorities are in terms of enforcement. If you thought the speed limit was the most important law on the books, you could have the entire police force out on the streets with radar guns 24/7. Most citizens would consider that a pointless waste of limited time/resources, but you could do that. It's kind of like using ICE to do mass raids on 7-11s. The general public thinks it's stupid and there's not much of an argument for it improving anything, but technically you can waste time/money on things like that if you want.

 

[riverfreak]

I have zero desire to move to the bankrupt circus that is California. And furthermore, you missed my point. Dreamers do get FREE tuition that moving to that ******** still wouldn’t cover for my “in-state” kids. You see the problem here I hope. And for states that have agreed to support illegal immigration and/or the cities that designate themselves as sanctuary cities ought get zero federal financial aid and held legally accountable. Either we have rule of law or we don’t. You choose. The problem with the left is they cry foul and racism (although I wasn’t aware that illegal immigrants qualify as a race...) over anything that has to do with anyone not white. It is what it is. If you didn’t like or agree with Obama, you were racist or racially motivated. If you didn’t think Hillary was fit for the job, you were sexist or Bigoted. I’m an all for helping out others in need, absolutely. We just like to help those here ILLEGALLY who ought to come second to those LEGALLY here in need.

I hear your pain but I think your anger is misdirected.

Let’s establish some facts we can agree on so that we can have a conversation.

Where are DACA designees getting free tuition?

California isn’t bankrupt; in fact it’s one of the major economic driving engines of the United States, even the world.

I totally agree that states that do things I don’t like shouldn’t receive federal funding. States that deny women access to abortion services also shouldn’t receive federal funding, for example. Of course, by and large states that have leaned to the left contribute way more to the federal coffers and receive the fewest benefits, another head scratcher.

The last half of your post is a bit of a mishmash. Fortunately (or unfortunately depending on your perspective) it’s going to be harder and harder for us to sell our new trillion dollars in debt, and many countries are turning to using RMB over the dollar, too.

 

[citysnaps]

You're in CA. Don't be naive. Stop by a Lowe's or Home Depot on the outside and see how much they are willing to work for.

There are many illegals who legitimately work hard and kudos to them. My MAIN issue is they do NOT pay taxes, so they are effectively gaming the system. That is unfair to the rest of legal society. If those illegals were converted to US citizens and had to endure the same consequences, then that is perfectly fine.

But if they have no interest in becoming legal and think they are owed rights, then that's not just.

Who's naive...

The post you responded to was my assertion that Tim Cook was looking after Apple's employees, with someone else replying he was using cheap labor via DACA. Has nothing to do with Lowe's or Home Depot.

If you have links showing that to be true, as I asked in the previous post, please step up and provide them
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Yea he loves his cheap slave labor in China, if you are going to be looking out for the "greater good" at least be consistent.

Nope... This has nothing to do with China. Please stay on topic. If you have evidence he's using DACA immigrants in the US in order to pay cheaply, step up and provide some links.

 

[racer1441]

And your point is, what exactly? The reality is that they are here now, know only of America, and are functioning members of society. I realize that acting in a rationale, and pragmatic manner is beyond the scope of today's political climate, but the reasonable thing to do is grant these people a path to citizenship.

You drive over a lady drunk in your car and they don't catch you for 20 years. But now you have a job, own a house, sit on the PTA board. We can't do anything to you for running that lady over and killing her because look how functional you are!
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These children deserve our protection. They did nothing wrong. If you believe kicking them out of the country and not helping that is what we should do, then you are cruel. Plain and simple.

Or we believe in the rule of law and that people should not benefit from illegal activities. If you take your argument to the logical conclusion, you are cruel for not wanting to use our military to find a kill all the bad guys around the world, the slave traders, the war lords. Look how many people are impacted by hard drugs, we better start sending special forces in to exterminate all the illegal drug cartels. If you don't want to help those people you are cruel!
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Who's naive...

Nope... This has nothing to do with China. Please stay on topic. If you have evidence he's using DACA immigrants in the US in order to pay cheaply, step up and provide some links.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...daca-status-employees/?utm_term=.78f19a9d1270

 

[citysnaps]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...daca-status-employees/?utm_term=.78f19a9d1270

Yup... We know he's trying to take care of his DACA employees - thus taking the position he has. But nowhere in the link does it say he's paying them cheaply, or used as cheap labor, as some have asserted here.

 

[DevNull0]

You're surely smart enough the realize the people we're talking about, DACA status people, were brought here as children. It's not like they had any say in the matter. They knowingly committed no crime. And since they were minors, they legally committed no crime, either. Your argument has no merit.

How is that relevant. If I break into your home and use it as a homeless shelter for people who desperately need a place to stay, you're okay with it because they committed no crime. Those squatters should not be evicted from your home because they committed no crime and they need someplace to live?
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He married a white, fashion model immigrant. Twice. Melanie’s expiry date is coming up soon, so I’m sure he’s looking for the next Mrs Trump.

So you make no distinction between people who obey the laws and take what they're entitled to vs those who break the laws and grab everything they can get?

 

[1applerules1]

The comments so far are gross and ignorant. How disappointing. It seems people truly have no decency anymore.

American citizens first

 

[Altis]

These children deserve our protection. They did nothing wrong. If you believe kicking them out of the country and not helping that is what we should do, then you are cruel. Plain and simple.

It's always an appeal to emotion. That's really it.

I also don't understand why going back to your home country is considered a death sentence. It isn't.

And if Mexico is such a bad place that that's the worse thing that could happen, you certainly shouldn't have an open border with them.

 

[DevNull0]

American citizens first

I'll go further. There should be some benefit in America for people who obey and respect America and it's laws over people who just ignore the laws and try to take whatever they want without permission.

You can't just give them whatever they try to take and ignore the people who who play by the rules and ask for permission. Otherwise why should anyone ask for permission, you'll have a free-for-all. Why wait for permission when all the people who just take it get what you're asking for ahead of you.

 

[thebeans]

Of course they support them - thats because they dont actually have to "support" them aka free stuff since Tim and the rich posse arent affected by draconian taxes that have to pay for these people and their free ride. Gimme a break.

Free ride?? Actually DACA who are of working age are employed at a higher rate than citizens.

 

[e-coli]

Those squatters should not be evicted from your home because they committed no crime and they need someplace to live?

If you can't figure out why it would be cruel to uproot these people from the only life they've known (who, again, were children with no say when they were brought here) and send them to some far flung land, you're irredeemably broken as a human being.

And your construct here is ludicrous. Let's follow your analogy. In that scenario you do not own the aforementioned house. You share that house with 325 million roommates. A plurality of those roommates would like the "squatters" to stay, or at least to offer them a path to permanent residence. Unfortunately the landlord is a coward and won't put that up for a vote. But regardless, those "squatters" have been busy. They're paying rent (they are taxpayers), they're learning to be better and more tolerant roommates while increasing their ability to shoulder even more of the rent (they're students). They're actively protecting the interests of your home from terrorists and advancing the interests of your home abroad (they're in military service, too). Boy it sure would take some kind of raging jerk to call those roommates squatters and want them kicked out. I'm guessing the rest of the roommates would think you're just an angry, intolerant and can't get along with anyone else.

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Federal court has no jurisdiction over a executive order by the president!! Learn Civics !! Will be thrown out by the Supreme Court!!

You're misinformed. Per Article III of the Constitution, Federal courts have the power to interpret the Constitution, and can declare an executive order illegal or unconstitutional. You should have learned that in your civics class.

 

[TroyBoy30]

1. Apple has defended Net Neutrality
2. Children should not be held responsible for what their parents did. Especially when they are paying taxes and supporting the country better than some actual Americans.

they absolutely should. if your parents came here illegally, that makes you illegal

 

[rafark]

The same dreamers Apple employs nowadays that caused their quality to decrease I presume.

So happy to speak up on left wing virtue signalling issues yet where was his support of net neutrality?

How about supporting the American people first Tim? Especially on something far more in tune with what your company actually does.

Illegal immigration is a crime and one that causes real damage.

Pretty interesting these two members aren't even american...

 

[Makayla]

Have we asked Native Americans if any of us is legal by them?

 

[ThisIsNotMe]

Where are DACA designees getting free tuition?

About $45 BILLION worth.....
https://fairus.org/issue/publicatio...n-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers

 

[thebeans]

Pay your taxes Timmy..

Do you pay extra tax to the government each year just to help them out? No? You mean you pay only what you are legally obligated to pay? Really? Then why do you criticize “Timmy” for doing the same? Hypocrisy much??

 

[Altis]

Have we asked Native Americans if any of us is legal by them?

We would give strong warning of what happens when you let a foreign population come in uncontrollably, take and use you for your resources while their population booms and they care nothing for you, only their own culture and countries.

 

[thebeans]

Tim, how about a statement apple throttling iPhones . Enough of this SJW BS when you don't even address the issues that your fans are facing.

Why do they need a statement? They already said they did it and why they did it. Please don’t buy into the planned obsolescence crap. I’ve been using iPhones since the 4s and handing the old ones down when I get a new one. No problem with throttling. No “planned obsolescence”. Did have a 6 that would turn off sometimes by itself before they issued the os update. I for one would much rather my phone slow ever so slightly than go off in the middle of using it. Heck, I still have an iPad 2 that works decently. A little slow but it’s a freaking 2!!

 

[Makayla]

We would give strong warning of what happens when you let a foreign population come in uncontrollably, take and use you for your resources while their population booms and they care nothing for you, only their own culture and countries.

Sounds familiar. History works itself back.

 

[Altis]

Sounds familiar. History works itself back.

What are you saying, that we should repeat history?

I'd say it's better to learn and not repeat mistakes.