Well rockets, Apollo program and nuclear bomb did quite well with mostly immigrant working on it, am I right?
So yeah let's not draw conclusion of races competency in a company managed mostly by Americans. Just saying...
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Apple's Tim Cook and More Than 100 CEOs Urge Congress to Protect Dreamers
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Well rockets, Apollo program and nuclear bomb did quite well with mostly immigrant working on it, am I right?
So yeah let's not draw conclusion of races competency in a company managed mostly by Americans. Just saying...
I hear you on that because it is simply not feasible to have open border. But I don't agree with some of the holier-than-thou and insulting attitude toward immigrants. (I don't mean you, just in general).
I don't understand why you'd think you have the right to keep the money in your pocket or why it wouldn't be entirely desirable to give "these people" a free ride, or why wouldn't they be entitled to a "free ride".
I can think of quite a few reasons why it would be both morally right and practically useful to transfer all of your possessions to "these people".
You're also missing the bigger point, which is: big corporations like Apple don't like barriers to immigration in principle.
Why?
Because it's bad for business, in that it cuts off their supply of equally talented but cheaper labor from India or Brazil's top schools.
Yeah, well, I think quite a lot of Americans have ancestors who came to America illegally.
And then there are those whose ancestors invaded America.
And then there are those whose ancestors came to America in chains.
Let's not discount those who came, uh, "legally" but with a price on their head in their home countries.
And then... you get my gist, if precedent be any indication you'd think of American as free-for-all.
I agree.
And by that I mean that the idea that immigration can be "illegal" is a crime.
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They do and they follow the laws.
Do you follow tax laws? Do you send the government extra money beyond what you owe? You know like for the children and unemployed?
Point is...they can work in American soil and be part of local economy or Apple can invest somewhere else and employ them there....the EU headquarter count already roughly 6000 employees.
A lot of people here think that by getting rid of the competition they will magically become big shots in Silicon Valley.
I sas this very same movie in my country and now I'm force to live and work in Ireland as most companies simply moved, definitely an hassle for them but not a big deal.
A lot of people here think that by getting rid of the competition they will magically become big shots in Silicon Valley.
I sas this very same movie in my country and now I'm force to live and work in Ireland as most companies simply moved, definitely an hassle for them but not a big deal.
So there shouldn't be any borders and anyone anywhere in the world should be free to go anywhere else they want?
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You're against personal property rights.
Very, very telling.
Here is the simple solution:
Establish legislation that says if the dreamers started the process to become legal immigrants/citizens during their reprieve, they will continue to be given a reprieve until the process is complete, then if it does not come out in their favor, they leave the country, if it does, they are then here legally and no more issues.
If they did not at least begin the process during the time they were given, then they should leave. If there was not possible way they could have begun such a process, then a process should be added to the legislation for circumstances in which there is no current path and they can be given another 6 months to begin said process.
Establish legislation that says if the dreamers started the process to become legal immigrants/citizens during their reprieve, they will continue to be given a reprieve until the process is complete, then if it does not come out in their favor, they leave the country, if it does, they are then here legally and no more issues.
If they did not at least begin the process during the time they were given, then they should leave. If there was not possible way they could have begun such a process, then a process should be added to the legislation for circumstances in which there is no current path and they can be given another 6 months to begin said process.
You're in a losing battle, my friend. Branch out before you go down with the ship.
It's not that far of a jump to see the connection however. It's easier and cheaper to employ people off the books and with cash than not. Cook may not be doing it at Apple central, but I'm sure plenty of apple employees have illegals working for cash in their homes, nannying their kids, ect.
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That's more a result of welfare being garbage than anything else.
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Thus proving the point. History shows what happens when you have an unregulated flow of people coming into an area with no understanding, respect, or desire for what is there already.
Yet you’re happy to raise some kind of speculative correlation between immigrants working in tech and software quality.
Probably because of that rational, self reflective, deep thinking patriot that you have as your leader...
Which, if true, has absolutely nothing to do with this story. And that is about Tim Cook along with 100+ other tech CEOs taking a stand for their employees.
Hat tip to Mr. Cook and other CEOs standing up.
Standing up for breaking the law and ignoring the basic requirements of the nation state. He continues to prove he is a worthless CEO.
So the other 100+ tech CEOs who've stood up with Mr. Cook are similarly worthless because they don't adhere to your narrow view of a "nation state?"
Do your principals walk your talk by firmly standing against those worthless CEOs, evidenced by refusing to purchase and use their company's products?
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If they want to play by the rules. They need to get out and come back in legally.
As much as possible, yes. I have not purchased an apple product in quite some time and I will not support companies that do not support us. I find that most tech CEO's tend to be the most ignorant and naive people on the planet. And my view of a nation state isn't narrow, it's actually the definition. A nation cannot exist without laws and without borders. The number of people who advocate for something different is disturbing.
I had no difficulty reading it and neither did those who liked my comment. Looks like you’re on your own there.
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Of course! Surely you can't band together and say "hey, this piece of land is ours".
Of course I am, what civilized person isn't.
I used to be a communist, but I no longer identify with that because most communists, even when they support the idea of seizing power with violence, reject the idea of systematic random violence after they're in charge, which I think is a fantastically good idea so that people, living in constant fear, don't have time to think about what toys they lack.
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Well, looks like Trump's recent "sh*thole countries" comment seals the deal on the GOP opposing legal immigration too. They just don't want non-whites immigrating because that could hurt them demographically during future elections. That's the sum total of the strategy.