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Aside from Signal Issue, Consumer Reports Rates iPhone 4 Highest Amongst All Smartphones

observed said:
That said, however, I can't help but noticing that, with the exception of the Motorola Droid (which also rates as "Good"), every other phone covered in the graph rates worse than the iPhone 4 on "Voice Quality." And, furthermore, no other [edit--except the iPhone 3GS] ranks so highly across so many of the other categories.

So, to paraphrase Winston Churchill, it would seem that the iPhone 4 is the worst possible smart phone... except for all the others.
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Nice to see that someone else actually looked at the ratings chart too. The iPhone bashers (and Android fanboys/astroturfers) are conveniently not mentioning that of course. It's obvious that the iPhone 4 does have an antenna issue, but it's equally obvious that the Android phones have their own significant issues as well, including average at best call quality.
 
KnightWRX said:
Except again there is evidence pointing to 100% of iPhone 4s being affected, those posts are anecdotal and not backed up by evidence.
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as per my last post, not the kind of evidence that proves 3 million units are affected. You'd need a far larger, more randomized, and more controlled sample to conclude anything close to that.
 
The article's opinion would make more sense if Apple renamed the iPhone the 'iAppPlayer' - a device that did all the time wasting stuff but that, as a special bonus, made calls*.

*subject to signal strength
 
QCassidy352 said:
I've been seeing these threads on this forum for weeks. Haven't you seen all the "my iphone 4 is perfect" threads? I saw a guy in another thread earlier today saying that he traded in a defective phone and got one that doesn't display the issue.
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Nope. I haven't haven't seen many (any?) people who have been able to go from one to the other by swapping out the iPhone, though I have seen reports about people who have seen the problem appear or disappear when changing geographic location. The vast majority of replacement reports that I have seen indicated the same problem with the replacement.


UTclassof89 said:
Why is macrumors trying to shine this turd?

I just don't trust Apple anymore (and am rapidly losing faith in Macrumors)
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Whatever -- we've been accused of both sides on this issue. Putting too much attention on it, or trying to spin it positive. Here's a hint: if we are reporting on an Apple PR release, it will sound like a positive spin. If we are reporting on a critical article on it, it will sound like we are anti-Apple. Funny how that works.

arn
 
Stately said:
I suppose, because I know two people with the phone and unless they are blatantly fibbing; they say their connection works fine.
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who said anything about lying? I'm sure their connection works fine... in their geographical region.

arn
 
That's like saying...

Aside from icebergs, I find the Titanic to be very seaworthy
 
QCassidy352 said:
as per my last post, not the kind of evidence that proves 3 million units are affected. You'd need a far larger, more randomized, and more controlled sample to conclude anything close to that.
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There is no evidence whatsoever that there are working phones. There are tons and tons of reports, backed up with evidence of problematic phones. The problem, as explained in the link I gave you, shows it is clearly a design a problem. Design problem have this nasty side effect of affecting every unit shipped.

Again, backed up by evidence vs not backed up by evidence. Until you or someone from your camp with a phone that doesn't have the issue posts up evidence backing up their claim, we can safely argue that with the evidence shown, the flaw is a design issue, and thus all 100% of units are affected.

If you have evidence of the contrary, post it. This could be important to people waiting on their 30 days to expire or people putting off purchases. With evidence that not all units are affected, we can start comparing manufacture dates to see the cut off point. This could point people in the right direction as far as when this was corrected on the manufacture line.

Why do some people insist on living in the reality distortion field ? Really, it's easy folks : Post evidence of a working iPhone 4.
 
arn said:
...if we are reporting on an Apple PR release, it will sound like a positive spin. If we are reporting on a critical article on it, it will sound like we are anti-Apple. Funny how that works.

arn
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Except that MR is the only entity I've seen that spins "Consumer Reports can't recommend iPhone 4 due to signal issues" as "Consumer Reports Rates iPhone 4 Highest Amongst All Smartphones".
 
arn said:
Nope. I haven't haven't seen many (any?) people who have been able to go from one to the other, though I have seen reports about people who have seen the problem appear or disappear when changing geographic location. The vast majority of replacement reports have indicated the same problem.
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https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/961597/

There have been threads like this since the antenna issue surfaced. Is it possible these people are all lying? Sure. Is it possible that they all live in extremely strong signal areas and never leave those areas? Sure.

But I'm going with occam's razor here: what's the simplest explanation for tons of people not being able to see an issue on their phone? That the phone doesn't have it.
 
UTclassof89 said:
Except that MR is the only entity I've seen that headlines "Consumer Reports can't recommend iPhone 4 due to signal issues" as "Consumer Reports Rates iPhone 4 Highest Amongst All Smartphones".
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I am as guilty as anyone of claiming Arn put some heavy spin on his last paragraph on this one, but seriously, MacRumors reported both stories. Did you miss the news item posted earlier today named "Consumer Reports can't recommend iPhone 4 due to signal issues" ?

Before you go accusing MacRumors of anything, please at least check the front page to make sure you're not completely wrong. :rolleyes:
 
QCassidy352 said:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/961597/

There have been threads like this since the antenna issue surfaced. Is it possible these people are all lying? Sure. Is it possible that they all live in extremely strong signal areas and never leave those areas? Sure.

But I'm going with occam's razor here: what's the simplest explanation for tons of people not being able to see an issue on their phone? That the phone doesn't have it.
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Then why hasn't anyone posted any evidence yet ? If there are so many working phones that can be used to demonstrate this isn't all units that are affected, what is keeping the evidence from getting posted ?

Maybe it's the fact, again, that the issue, while affecting 100% of units, does not affect 100% of users based on their geographical location and signal reception in that given location.

Seriously, you're starting to sound like a broken record. Anecdotes are not evidence. There is no evidence of any working iPhone 4s. There is strong evidence of a design flaw, which would affect 100% of iPhone 4s.
 
KnightWRX said:
Apple needs to work on the phone part. A lot.
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I sometimes wonder what a cell phone with perfect voice quality is like. I've had 3 phones before the iPhone was released and I never thought they were good quality compared to landlines. Do you expect cell phones to have the same quality as a landline on other networks?

I'm not defending Apple at all in this issue - they have to fix this problem, but generalizing that the iPhone 4 can't 'make phone calls' is absurd.

IHateSteveJobs said:
Nice PR spin macrumors.com
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it's actually all things d, not macrumors that pointed out consumer reports' score. you should follow the links.
 
Well Apple may have averted that crisis,

Had my phone for a day and I love it, the screen is amazing and its incredible fast.
 
KnightWRX said:
There is no evidence whatsoever that there are working phones.
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Well I can't give you evidence since I still can't get one. Which is weird, given that it apparently "doesn't work as a phone."

Design problem have this nasty side effect of affecting every unit shipped.
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You're just assuming the very point we're discussing.

Until you or someone from your camp with a phone that doesn't have the issue posts up evidence backing up their claim
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It's not "my camp." I just don't see any reason to disbelieve what people are telling me.

Why do some people insist on living in the reality distortion field ? Really, it's easy folks : Post evidence of a working iPhone 4.
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Would if I could, friend. I don't know why the people who say their phones are fine haven't. Maybe because if your phone is fine you just enjoy it rather than ranting on message boards? I dunno. If/when I get an iphone 4 I'll surely test it out and report back either way.

I'm gonna stop this now because we're just going in circles. You think the evidence shows a design flaw, and I haven't seen that. You think the people who say their phones are fine are lying/mistaken, and I don't see any reason to believe that. So I think we're at a standstill here. Thanks for the rational discussion.
 
arn said:
No. No one has said these people are lying.

People have said it's signal strength related, which is regional.

arn
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but there are people in those threads saying they can't get the signal to drop even starting with 2 bars. Surely they're either lying or have iphone 4s that don't have the problem?
 
FightTheFuture said:
I sometimes wonder what a cell phone with perfect voice quality is like. I've had 3 phones before the iPhone was released and I never thought they were good quality compared to landlines. Do you expect cell phones to have the same quality as a landline on other networks?
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No, but I would expect my iPhone 3GS, released in June 2009 to actually be able to hold a signal better than my 4 year old Sony Ericsson W810. In the same spot, I can place a call with my SE phone. The 3GS shows 1 bar of signal and it fails to dial.
 
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