but there are people in those threads saying they can't get the signal to drop even starting with 2 bars. Surely they're either lying or have iphone 4s that don't have the problem?
videos?
vids or it didnt happen
"he said, she said, this thread"
but there are people in those threads saying they can't get the signal to drop even starting with 2 bars. Surely they're either lying or have iphone 4s that don't have the problem?
I'm gonna stop this now because we're just going in circles. You think the evidence shows a design flaw, and I haven't seen that. You think the people who say their phones are fine are lying/mistaken, and I don't see any reason to believe that. So I think we're at a standstill here. Thanks for the rational discussion.
My wife and I are in the process of moving right now. At our current place, our bars drop. On the other side of town, where we are moving to, I tried to replicate the problem and couldn't. So, I guess if we bought these exact same phones 3 weeks later, we could've said that our phones were not defective.
You're just assuming the very point we're discussing.
videos?
vids or it didnt happen
"he said, she said, this thread"
Except you keep arguing the wrong point. no one is saying that there aren't people who have iPhone 4s that work perfectly. I have no doubt. None. It doesn't surprise me one bit.
But, I also believe that those same people moved to an area with worse coverage, I believe they too would be affected.
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So what about the people who say they have 2 bars and can't drop them by covering the black strip?
Consumer Reports just lost its credibility. How can a product they cannot recommend has a very high rating from their reports. Something is smelly the way the review and rate the products. Who relies on their reviews nowadays anyway. I'm pretty much go to specific website that do specific product reviews. Then look at the forum how the consumers like the products based on their experience. Too bad I'm an iPhone 4 early adapters and you cannot find reviews and look around the forums. I always thought that iPhone 4 has a design advantage over 3GS I guess it's only the aesthetic design.
Your "let's just take everything at face value and believe both sides" doesn't help, you're just using blind faith in people you don't know. Is it because you want your future decided purchase to not have the issue and you won't believe that all iPhone 4s are affected because that would be serious questions over your plans ?
Are you biased is what I am asking ?
Why are those same people refusing to post video evidence if it's true ?
Seriously, what do you not understand about evidence ?
So what about the people who say they have 2 bars and can't drop them by covering the black strip?
I'll be putting my iphone 4 in a case regardless because of the glass back, so it doesn't really matter to me personally. I'm not "biased" - I just don't think your point is proven. You have an extremely small sample compared to the number of iphone 4s sold. You cannot prove that the people saying they have no problems are lying, and you cannot prove WHY they have no problems if they in fact have no problems. Maybe it's just signal strength. But then what about the people who say they don't drop bars even when starting at low strength? They're either lying or the problem is not universal. I don't assume people are liars unless I see a motive to lie.
You can think I'm an idiot, and I can think you're too easily swayed. Whatever. There's not really anything else to say on this.
as an addendum, I'll add that I do believe that some individuals are more suspeptible to shorting the two antennas by simply touching the black bar than not. be it inherent skin conductivity, or whatever.
My personal experience is that by simply "touching" the black bar does little for me. Though casually holding it in my left hand while browsing/tapping on the phone (I'm right handed) can affect the reception dramatically (if the phone has no case).
I use a bumper case now, so it's less of an issue.
I will also point out that your belief that there are only a subset defective iPhones floating around there that will be fixed simply by returning them goes against all of Apple's public statements on the fact, which simply amounts to "it's normal". If it was a very small subset of iPhones that did exhibit this behavior (as you seem to believe), then Apple would have quickly and easily told people to return those phones. The fact that they have not done so is more suggestive that every iPhone 4 (or a very large percentage of them) are affected.
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Consumer Reports just lost its credibility. How can a product they cannot recommend has a very high rating from their reports. Something is smelly the way the review and rate the products. Who relies on their reviews nowadays anyway. I'm pretty much go to specific website that do specific product reviews. Then look at the forum how the consumers like the products based on their experience. Too bad I'm an iPhone 4 early adapters and you cannot find reviews and look around the forums. I always thought that iPhone 4 has a design advantage over 3GS I guess it's only the aesthetic design.
as an addendum, I'll add that I do believe that some individuals are more suspeptible to shorting the two antennas by simply touching the black bar than not. be it inherent skin conductivity, or whatever.
My personal experience is that by simply "touching" the black bar does little for me. Though casually holding it in my left hand while browsing/tapping on the phone (I'm right handed) can affect the reception dramatically (if the phone has no case) -- but only in some locations. In other locations, no matter what I do, I can't get the signal to drop.
I use a bumper case now, so it's less of an issue.
I will also point out that your belief that there are only a subset defective iPhones floating around there that will be fixed simply by returning them goes against all of Apple's public statements on the fact, which simply amounts to "it's normal". If it was a very small subset of iPhones that did exhibit this behavior (as you seem to believe), then Apple would have quickly and easily told people to return those phones. The fact that they have not done so is more suggestive that every iPhone 4 (or a very large percentage of them) are affected.
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Looking at the actual CR chart, every phone they tested (including the Android phones on Verizon & Sprint) didn't fare particularly well on voice quality. They all did quite well on messaging though, including the iPhones.
Put it in a case or get bumpers. It is a $600.00 piece of electronic equipment, not putting it in a case is asking for real trouble.
I've put every cell phone I've ever owned in a case. Back in the days when I had cheap (about $65.00) Verizon phones I'd put them in a $30.00 case. Why? Because I wanted them to look good. If I want to impress people with how good they look I take them out of the case, but otherwise they stay in the case.
With the program of giving money back on phones when you up grade like Radio Shack etc are doing it becomes even more important to keep the phone looking as good as possible for trade in time. A 20 to 50 dollar case could score you $100 or more when you go to upgrade next year to the iP5.![]()
Your personal experience is not journalism, while I like your style you can't get away with shoddy reporting. Hire some professional journalists and pay them for a change. This site to your credit has mushroomed, but the reporting is lamentably sub par.