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Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you're an existing ATT customer who is not eligible for upgrade, wouldn't it be cheaper to cancel you contract for 175 (or less, actually it would be only 90 or so for me) and pay the 199/299?

So Cancel and Sign a new contract: 199+175=374 or 299+175=474

that's cheaper than 399/499

Sure, but don't forget that if you cancel and do not go to another provider, you will lose your phone number. :) But if you DO go to another provider and port your number, you will have to sign their contract and it just becomes a mess and a half.
 
Selling for below cost is only considered predatory pricing if the intent of the price is to drive out competition.

This is not the case with subsidized cell phones.

You are correct to a point....what Jobs said is essentially fraud. The Iphone is not more affordable.
 
Replaceable back-cover

Hi, I've just watched the iPhone 3G guided tour and spotted two little screws at the botom of the phone. I believe a lot of us remember those photos of black plastic 3G iPhone backcovers. So, my guess is: plastic back-cover will be easily replaceable by customer.
 
AT&T is subsidizing the iphone, which means for they're immediately starting out $200 in the hole (they're paying Apple $200 per iphone sold). Over the length of a 2 year contract they eventually recoup the subsidy costs and gradually slide back into the black (positive $ revenue).

AT&T would never recoup those costs nor make a profit if they kept allowing customers to buy subsidized iphones prior to their 2 year contracts being up.

That's not true. I have run the numbers, and in my case, with a year left on my contract and currently no data plan, they would profit, even though I have a subsidized phone. And I'm not paying a higher price, so they are losing the chance to get extra money from me, and I'm not going to pay that price out of principle, not because I can't afford it.
 
Wow, chill dude. Why is there so much negative passion on these forums.

I haven't been keeping up on every little detail about the google platform but from what I have heard, there are possibilities of using VOIP over internet and other cool things which would basically make the phone its put on to rely entirely on internet and not need voice plans. I would call that a pretty significant development, if it does happen.


That's still up to the providers to block or not. Google's Android is just technology. The carriers can still decide what they allow on their networks. The phone has nothing to do with it.

You can't tether an iPhone to a laptop because it's against AT&T's rules. The technology exists, but it won't work because they say so.

The carriers will only change when consumers demand it. No particular phone is going to change anything.
 
I did the same. But when you did that, how much did you expect to pay for the new iPhone? I was planning for the same type of prices as Gen 1. But Apple / ATT threw a change-up and decided to subsidize the new one. It didn't change the fact that I was 'planning' on paying the higher price, but it stings nontheless that if I (we) would have just waited a few months to switch over, we would have qualified for the cheaper price.
Exactly! I got a blackjack in december. Paying 399/499 is EXACTLY the same price as the old iphone, so that's fine by me. The *real* price is 599/699 so I still got a $200 discount + $200 discount from the blackjack = $400 discount.

I don't like it, but that seems fair.
 
This REALLY is a ripoff for long time AT&T Customers. I will have to pay $60 MORE per month to switch from the iPhone 2.5G to the iPhone 3G. Plus, I lose 150 minutes per month. Ouch.

Current Plan
Base Plan 1 Phone 850 minutes: $60
Add 2 lines: $20
Add 2 iPhone Data Plans: $30
Add 200 texts to two lines: $10
Add unlimited Mobile to mobile text to two lines: $10
TOTAL $130 plus tax

iPhone 3G Plan
Base Plan 1 Phone 700 minutes: $90
Add 2 lines: $20
Add 1 iPhone 3G 1 iPhone orig. Data: $50
Unlimited Text Messages Family
(needed because no more mobile to mobile): $30
TOTAL: $190

I don't understand your math. How many iPhone 3G are you adding?
 
I'm not surprised about the individual plans, nor the cost of the phone itself.
I'm surprised to see that one of the rumors pre-WWDC putting an iPhone price up to $700 was right.

https://www.macrumors.com/2008/05/31/3g-iphone-specs-and-prices/

The first comments are now funny because they are finally true.

The rumor was predicting a $700 phone with 32GB of memory, GPS and video conferencing. This one is only 16 GB+GPS for the same price.

At this point I could buy a new iPhone with the contract for 399 and then brake the contract for 175 (still 100+ bucks cheaper than the unsubsidized phone).

I still think I'm gonna wait for the first reactions and price drops or memory-boosts since I'll be eligible in early November.


Sorry that I'm asking again, but since no one picked it up earlier...arn maybe you? If it the original is so expensive, does that mean that the new model won't be cheap plastic as its rumored?
 
So they've confirmed they are selling starting at 8 AM. Will they have any left by the afternoon when I get off work? Or will all the fanboys who line up the day before in their Luke Skywalker costumes get them all?

I'm suggest you need talk to your boss and need make day off, however I don't know about your company policies.

I work at retail, I just made day off.
 
So, in essence, they've raised the data $10 per month and the texting $5?

Right now I'm paying

20 for data
10 for text (i think, whatever the 1500 one is)


I'd have to pay

30 for data
15 for text



??

Right now you're paying 15 for data and 15 for text.
(20 dollar plan includes 200 txt which is $5, so you took that off your iphone plan, so the iphone plan is $15, then you added 1500 txts which is $15/mo)

So yes, you'll be paying 15 more a month, just like every other blackberry/smartphone owner. Unless you're on Verizon, then it costs even more!
 
14 pages of info and I am back to one of the early pages....I still think I am right, crazy but right, that it will be cheaper to just have 2 completely distinct iphone plans than to have one family plan. And with more minutes. Odd
 
White iPhone picture? :)

Anybody seen "white" iPhone picture?
(I'm referring to the wording on that page: If you are upgrade eligible and your account is in good standing, you will pay $199 for 8GB (black) and $299 for 16GB (black or white). Two-year contract required.)
 
You are correct to a point....what Jobs said is essentially fraud. The Iphone is not more affordable.

Sure it is. Plenty of people were never going to save up the $400 to buy an iPhone. ATT is basically taking that hurdle out of the way. They are just giving them credit upfront that the company will then be payed back over the course of 24 months.

I'm not saying it's a good deal at all. But it is nothing like fraud. And what he is saying is absolutely correct. You are not!
 
The way I like to look at is that if I got the 16 GB iPhone, cheapest plan (all I'd need), and cheapest texting plan (all I'd need), I would pay (with the iPhone) $2,098.76 for two years of enjoying the iPhone. It's not a ridiculous number, though one to mull over. Right now I'm on my parents' family plan with Verizon which they pay for. If I switched, they would no longer be subsidizing me, and I'd also have the problem of not being able to do minutes-free mobile to mobile with them.

At first I was excited because AT&T's web-site says "Free mobile to mobile," but I called to ask if that's really true and they said it's only within the AT&T network--although their advertising has no asterisk to clarify that point.
 
So they've confirmed they are selling starting at 8 AM. Will they have any left by the afternoon when I get off work? Or will all the fanboys who line up the day before in their Luke Skywalker costumes get them all?

Well there was a TON more hype with the original iPhone and it did not sell out on launch day. Apple was well prepared with inventory.

However the ATT stores were woefully under-stocked. Some stores, like the one I visited only rec'd a dozen phone even as the Apple store in the same mall had hundreds and did not sell out.

My complete guess is that there will be plenty of stock unless you live in a small town. If your only option is a single ATT store then you very well might be SOL. Then again, if you live in a small town, odd are you don't get 3G service so demand could be light.
 
So, anyone else confused by this? Under my account > upgrade it states:

"This line is eligible for reduced equipment pricing when you sign up for a new 2-year service agreement. All iPhone purchases require a 2-year service commitment." ... "Upgrade Today"

The screenshot on the homepage states:

"This line is eligible for equipment discount pricing when you sin up for a 2-year service agreement. You can take advantage of our no-commitment pricing option, with the exception of iPhone which requires a 2-year commitment." .... "Upgrade Today"

I have 2 iPhones. One bought the day of launch (6/29/07), and the other a week or so after.

So, seems there are two terms, "equipment discount pricing" and "Reduced equipment pricing". I wonder which is which? equipment discount = $199? reduced equipment = $199? same thing?
 
This REALLY is a ripoff for long time AT&T Customers. I will have to pay $60 MORE per month to switch from the iPhone 2.5G to the iPhone 3G. Plus, I lose 150 minutes per month. Ouch.

Current Plan
Base Plan 1 Phone 850 minutes: $60
Add 2 lines: $20
Add 2 iPhone Data Plans: $30
Add 200 texts to two lines: $10
Add unlimited Mobile to mobile text to two lines: $10
TOTAL $130 plus tax

iPhone 3G Plan
Base Plan 1 Phone 700 minutes: $90
Add 2 lines: $20
Add 1 iPhone 3G 1 iPhone orig. Data: $50
Unlimited Text Messages Family
(needed because no more mobile to mobile): $30
TOTAL: $190

I do not understand why everyone thinks upgrading to the iPhone will change your current plan. Those plans are for NEW customers. Just adding a 3G iPhone will increase your plan $15 if you want 200 messages and the data.
 
I'm not going to lie, I am just seeing this thread and it's already at page 14. I don't have time to read the whole thing, but I have one question if anyone has asked this yet i'm sorry.

I am already currently on an AT&T Family Plan and am eligible to upgrade. My phone number on the plan isn't the main line. Can I upgrade to a iPhone 3G and
1) Just pay the $30 Data Plan fee more a month?
or
2) Based on these numbers, an additional iPhone lines can be purchased for $39.99, then a $30 Data Plan on top of that meaning an additional $70 a month?

If i'm just paying $30 more for the Data i'm fine ... but if I have to pay $70 more a month I actually think that's enough more money for me not to get an iPhone.
 
I don't understand your math. How many iPhone 3G are you adding?

1 iPhone 3G. the math is correct, so I don't know which part to clarify for you.

Family plan 700 minutes clearly shows that it includes 2 lines, 1 being the iPhone 3G for $129.99 per month (i need/have 3 lines), so add $10, plus another $20 because I will have one previous version iPhone, add unlimited text messages for the family (which is the same price as 1500 for 2 lines) for $30 per month. They will no longer allow me to do the unlimited mobile to mobile text for $5 per line and the iPhone plan no longer includes the 200 texts. that all adds up to $190.
 
Right now you're paying 15 for data and 15 for text.
(20 dollar plan includes 200 txt which is $5, so you took that off your iphone plan, so the iphone plan is $15, then you added 1500 txts which is $15/mo)

So yes, you'll be paying 15 more a month, just like every other blackberry/smartphone owner. Unless you're on Verizon, then it costs even more!


OK, so texting prices are the same (effectively), but the data went up by $15. That is ridiculous. And don't give me this 3G crud, because I had a Blackjack before my iPhone and payed 15-20 per month for data. This is a huge increase for me.

I wish they included 200 texts still and then you could add more for 5 dollars more. As it is, I will not play their games and buy a 15 dollar text plan.



I really don't know if I should upgrade now...
 
Here's a question...I have two iPhones, on a familytalk plan, say I want to upgrade ONE of those phones, I have to switch BOTH phones to the new plan? Will they allow that???
 
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