The level people are upset with AT&T in this forum is laughable. I would like to remind all of you that Apple doesn't disclose anything in terms of the internal processes to other companies, even those they are in close cahoots with. So here's why you all have rediculously far out shipping estimates (I have the 10/31-11/11 estimate too after preordering at 12:05PST). AT&T doesn't have a damn clue when those phones will ship. So those estimates are literally a COMPLETE guess. They are making extremely conservative estimates to cover their asses. As soon as a phone is assigned to you, then a tracking number will appear, and then you will know when you're getting your phone. Until then, those shipping estimates might as well be for 2020, because they mean nothing.