Attempted Apple Store Holdup Goes Bad: Suspect Killed

[The Beatles]

I formally make a Declaration of Godwin's law. This debate is hereby over.

Yeah, its societies fault There is one in every crowd.

Thought of that when i wrote it. It just seemed so appropriate...at first anyway. It turns out the guy had a gun soo. My lesson for today is that MacRumors doesnt necessarily put all the important details in the summary . I mean if your going to post an article and say, Guy gets shot in the head, you might want to let people know that he had it coming.

 

[HMFIC03]

typical british snobbery. Non-lethal takedown, with three armed robbers? Tackle one down while the other two shoot you dead? No thanks, i think the guard knows better then that. With three armed suspects shooting at you, deadly force is authorized.

An english bobbie, just blowing a whistle, will not work in this case. More then likely would just result in a dead security guard with a whistle in his mouth.

+1

 

[Mattie Num Nums]

This is the mindset of the wanna be hero. It is this dream of being at the scene and getting to pull out the gun and be glorified for his actions. And that is fine. If they get the chance more power to them. But the problem is that these people can't keep their facts straight. When that moment comes, you may stop a criminal who doesn't really intend to kill or stop some more killing beyond the initial killing but you cannot stop someone who is intent on killing. Furthermore once the hero brandishes the weapon, there is no guarantee who is the better marksman or that the wanna be hero will not shoot bystanders.

You're totally out of your mind. Stop watching CSI. The "wanna be hero" mindset when someone pulls a gun on you is calling "fighting to survive" and this security guard in this case its called "HE WAS DOING HIS JOB!"

 

[rstansby]

Nothing was left out, if you read the story. Gun fire was exchanged. Obviously the mall guard had better training, possibly a moonlighting cop.

Armed security guards are pretty standard in Chicagoland too.

I agree. Also since the mall was closed this may have been an armed night security guard, the article does not state that the daytime "mall cops" carry guns.

 

[ChrisA]

I've never seen a mall security guard carrying a gun.

Read the entire article. He was not a "mall guard". He was hired by Apple specifically to guard that Apple store. I assume he was not your basic minimum wage guard.

 

[wizard]

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How sad,
I mean a person lost his life because of his actions, and the guard now has to live with the fact that he took a life. All for what - some iToys? Doesn't seem worth it.

I agree. Incredibly sad.

Don't be sad! Seriously this is a very very good thing and has nothing to do with iToys. It is all about the removal of the criminal element from society in a manner the doctors and lawyers can't reverse.

Many people seem to want to support the criminals in this case, frankly I think they have mental health issues. It is pretty clear that tolerance and attempted reforms of criminals lead to tragic instance for society as a whole. The earlier the criminals are eliminated from society, forever, the better off we are.

 

[Mattie Num Nums]

I agree. Also since the mall was closed this may have been an armed night security guard, the article does not state that the daytime "mall cops" carry guns.

Most of these armed guard firms hire Cops, former Cops, former military, etc. You can just sign up and get a gun handed to you.

 

[ctdonath]

if I was next to the congress woman in Tucson when she was shot, holding a gun, I could not have prevented the guy from walking up and shooting.

Nobody questions that.
Most of the next dozen or so killings that followed in the subsequent minute, however, could have been.

Seems you think because the first was not preventable, the rest were not either. Odd reasoning.

 

[WalterNeff]

Didn't realize…

that Chesley Sullenberger was also a mall cop.

 

[Trepanator]

Read the entire article. He was not a "mall guard". He was hired by Apple specifically to guard that Apple store. I assume he was not your basic minimum wage guard.

Correct. The guard was a retired San Diego Sheriff's Deputy.

 

[Pink∆Floyd]

Thats dellusional.





WHoa wow crazy.




True, i just read the opening page, didnt see an article link. Still your comment about America will make you a success all you have to do is ask propeganda is complete BS. I really dont know what USA you live in but thats not the america i or the rest of the nation knows. "all the help they wanted to be a success", are you kidding me?

How do you think all the illegal immigrants survive then?
They get help from the government.

Anybody who was born here can have the chance to be an educated person with morals, they just need to find help, but since they're too lazy to find it, they become scumbags, luckily one got killed

 

[DisMyMac]

In the grand scheme of things, it's a bad situation and we can all pity the criminal from the moment he was born into a tough life (and that's making generous assumptions about him).

At the moment such a person turns violent, there is simply nothing left to cry over. His death right then is fine and appropriate.

 

[rhomsy]

Jeeze who are you Hitler? You know theres reasons for crime, it comes from a disproportionate distribution of wealth. Im not saying these people needed to steal to buy medicine for their dying baby but its important to look at what caused the desperation.

What a joke. You compare someone running out of a supermarket with a loaf of bread, to robbing an Apple Store for high end electronics with GUNS, and USING THEM.

So, I suppose in the liberal-mind, the life of the security guard is worth less than whatever righteous cause has motivated the criminal scumbag.

My guess is that Beatles is wearing black today, and he is mourning the passing of one from his voting block.

 

[ten-oak-druid]

Really! You own a gun? What kind?

I have pulled a gun on someone beating the crap out of his gf (neighbors) and the first thing that person did was dropped to the floor saying IM SORRY I DIDNT DO ANYTHING SHE STARTED IT! Cops came and arrested him, checked my gun license, kind of scolded me, but than thanked me and I was on my way.

I actually only own a shotgun. I keep it at the house. If an intruder were to enter, the sound of cocking it would likely be enough of a deterrent I feel.

My wife owns a handgun that her father gave her. It is back in NY . We will be picking it up when we travel this summer. But I need to find how to transport it back as there may be laws and licenses may not go state to state. I'm thinking after we target shoot with hers, I may get one too and we could shoot together. A friend of mine goes shooting in the desert. That is the nice thing here in AZ. You can go outside of town and find some barren desert to target shoot. I mean the desert makes it easy to see there is no one else around behind your target. Just don't shoot the saguaro. They are endangered.

I had to do something similar with a belligerent boyfriend and his girlfriend outside my apartment years ago. I didn't own a shotgun back then but I called the cops. While I waited I held a golf club and listened. I was going to run out and distract him but luckily it was only verbal arguing from that point on. So I didn't have to. This guy had started out being physical but it didn't escalate to what you describe.

What a joke. You compare someone running out of a supermarket with a loaf of bread, to robbing an Apple Store for high end electronics with GUNS, and USING THEM.

So, I suppose in the liberal-mind, the life of the security guard is worth less than whatever righteous cause has motivated the criminal scumbag.

My guess is that Beatles is wearing black today, and he is mourning the passing of one from his voting block.

Give me a break.

 

[marksman]

By the way, people saying he should not have shot him in the head... Well you are right, he should have shot him in the chest... But if you EVER shoot a gun, your only aim is to kill the person.

You should not be shooting a gun without the goal of killing them. That is very basic and fundamental handgun training. It is not a video game, you don't wing a guy or shoot the gun out of your hand. If you reach the point where you need to fire a handgun at someone else than you must try to kill them.

Otherwise you are "Doing it wrong."

 

[ctdonath]

A single round from which could have been tragic for any of the truly innocent at the mall, from a child to a mother or a single dad of six.

People forget that the guard may, shall we say, be a single dad of six.

http://m.xkcd.com/873/

 

[dgree03]

Man, people killing, over a silly, soon to be worthless pieces of electronics. What is this world coming to?

 

[CIA]

Reflective contemplation is difficult in such a situation. Considering the circumstance, benefit of doubt goes to security guard.

I'm not taking sides on this, just stating what the article said. People aren't reading the article and just assuming it all took place inside the mall. Most of it was outside.

 

[ctdonath]

Ithe sound of cocking it would likely be enough of a deterrent I feel.

And if it isn't, you just told him where you are, what you have, and gave him (in his mind) good reason to drop you first. You ready to follow thru when making that threat to him?

 

[foodog]

I doubt they leave large amounts of cash in the stores over night.

I doubt they have any cash... I trie to pay with cash once and the person looked at me like I was some sort of alien being.... and said uh wait right here for a minute.

 

[Lord Blackadder]

You really don't know what you are talking about. In a gun fight you hit the targets available to you, not the ones wishful liberal hope that you can hit. Often the head is the only available target that isn't screened by cover.

Frankly, nobody in this thread really knows what they are talking about when it comes to the events in the OP, and that includes you and me. You don't know how the firefight played out, or how much training the guard had. At this point it's all pure speculation, and unless you can produce a visual timeline of the incident it is impossible to either criticize or defend the decisions of the guard, apart from the fact that it is likely that the guard fired in self-defense.

Police are always trained to aim for center mass. Judging from the article, the guard was firing at a fleeing car and the head shot to the driver was not aimed. Aimed shots to the head of a fleeing driver exist only in Hollywood films.

Further these are criminals we are talking about here. That is scum of the earth, as far as I'm concerned you give up your rights to a fair fight once you cross that line. Frankly armed or not the best out come is for as many of these criminals to die as possible. Any DA that would pursue such a case is just as guilty as the criminals for our decline as a society.

I think that's an extremely bloodthirsty outlook, and I do not want my community to become a shooting gallery. I support gun ownership and I'm not against the principle of keeping firearms from self-defense. However, more guns (kept for this puprose) does mean more shootings. And I do not want more shootings.

Most concealed carry owners do not have any actual training besides basic firarms safety, and are more of a danger to themselves and the community than anything else. Why do you think police officers undergo intensive and ongoing training in the use of firearms?

You see in the end dead criminals can't repeat, can't breed and can't drain money from the rest of us in prison. This is a hard cold reality but people have to realize that this element in society is defective, where you have defective products you need quality control. With humanity execution is quality control and can be likened to a manufacture that melts a product down after it fails QA checks.

Trying to de-humanize people in order to justify killing them is an incredibly slippery slope. The exact same "reasoning" has been used to support slavery and genocide.

 

[i4Collin]

Paul Blart strikes again LOL

 

[n64kps]

Pathetic...

WOW, there's way too many of you that have sympathy for the robbers. ARE YOU ***** KIDDING ME?!?!! THEY WERE CONSCIOUSLY COMMITTING A CRIME AND THEY DESERVED TO BE SHOT! ...and why does it matter where he got shot? I bet many of you have never even shot a gun and you sure as hell haven't been in the same position as the mall cop. Good for the mall cop that took him out, good for him.

 

[Skoal]

I'm as pro gun rights as anyone, but this sounds like a problem for the security guard. Unless that guard's life was in danger, there was no reason to shoot anyone, especially in the head. The placement of that shot was no accident.

That being said, I'm sure there are a lot of facts we don't know. Innocent until proven guilty, of course.

The article stated that 40 shots were fired between the robbers and the guard. I would say that constitutes "life in danger". I doubt that the security guard actually meant to aim at the head of the perp. More than likely he was aiming center mass (which is taught to Police, etc. due to it being the largest and easiest target to hit at any distance) and got lucky. One in the computer will put a man down no matter what calibre he was using.

 

[iBmx]

Fully automated weapons had to have been used
40 SHOTS FIRED!!!!!