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Backlight bleeding

corvus32 said:
If, out of every 10 million iPad's sold, just 0.001% are returned because of this one issue, then that's between 5 and 8.3 million dollars worth of inventory that Apple has to absorb. Multiply that by 10, which is where Apple would love their sales figures to be, and at some point this issue has to be addressed - either by tightening quality control or moving to a different display technology.

If they do nothing, it's a case of many thousands of people pissed off, and tens of millions of dollars lost.
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That's true, but I'd have to believe that the cost for lowering the tolerances of what gets through versus returns due to those tolerances have been financially weighed out already. If not, and the situation perhaps went beyond expectation, then you may have a valid argument.

I still believe though that QC tolerances are not set to perfection. You are going to have a large amount of panels floating around with bleed.
 
I exchanged my iPad 2 today because in just 2 weeks it had accumulated dust particles under the glass that I know weren't there when I got it.

My replacement unit is 100% free of light bleed. In a dark room with brightness all the way up and a black screen, there is absolutely no light bleed. My first unit had a very tiny amount. I will post pictures later.
 
Received mine today and there is a bit of bleed. I inteend to call apple so they can note it on my file or something and when i can get another one I will, im enjoying it for now
 
I returned my iPad 2 today because the glass was separating, and I also had bleed (which didn't bother me, unless i was looking at a total black screen in pitch black (which I never am) I can't notice it, but the new unit has similar bleed. Glass is fixed though so that's all I care about. If the bleed ever becomes an issue I'll return again but I doubt it will.
 
Mine had light bleed, called Apple, two reps said that Apple is aware of the issue, and all brown-box replacement iPads will not show any light bleed.

Unfortunately, these brown-box replacement iPads have dimmer, dingy yellow/green tinted display (typical with Samsung) instead of the vibrant and brighter displays (typical with LG).

Personally, I'd rather have light bleed that a dull display. Looks like I am going to have to return this brown-box replacement for a refund, and re-order a new one with the hope that I get the better display, light bleed or not.
 
I don't recall any press conference or release where apple admitted to anything about iPad screens.

I also happen to own a nice new Samsung TV with backlight bleed, so looks like Samsung knows how to make bleeding panels too.
 
Sowelu said:
Mine had light bleed, called Apple, two reps said that Apple is aware of the issue, and all brown-box replacement iPads will not show any light bleed.

Unfortunately, these brown-box replacement iPads have dimmer, dingy yellow/green tinted display (typical with Samsung) instead of the vibrant and brighter displays (typical with LG).

Personally, I'd rather have light bleed that a dull display. Looks like I am going to have to return this brown-box replacement for a refund, and re-order a new one with the hope that I get the better display, light bleed or not.
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That's odd. I have an LG 26" TV in my bedroom. When I was shopping for it, it was sitting right next to a Samsung 26" and the Samsung picture had much punchier colors. The LG made people look sickly. And any time I'm in a different BB, I compare the same 2 TVs and the results are always the same.
 
mcdj said:
That's odd. I have an LG 26" TV in my bedroom. When I was shopping for it, it was sitting right next to a Samsung 26" and the Samsung picture had much punchier colors. The LG made people look sickly. And any time I'm in a different BB, I compare the same 2 TVs and the results are always the same.
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When it comes to LCD TV's, I would agree. But, when it comes to Apple's portables (in my experience over the years), the Samsung panels are usually dull and overly warm, where the LGs were always more vibrant and easier on the eyes.
 
Here's a picture of the display variance. On the left is a retail boxed vibrant and bright panel as seen on all the store displays (but it has light bleed). On the right is a brown-box replacement panel that does not have any light-bleed, but it's dimmer and a bit dingy with a yellowish green tint to it. It's also unevenly back-lit. Very distracting to my eyes.

I went through 3 brown-box replacements, they all look like the one to the right, or worse (this one was the best one out of the three). Might not be an issue for some, but for me it's awful to look at. Hopefully a new retail order will get me a vibrant display - F the light bleed.

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mcdj said:
I don't recall any press conference or release where apple admitted to anything about iPad screens.

I also happen to own a nice new Samsung TV with backlight bleed, so looks like Samsung knows how to make bleeding panels too.
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Admission: I walked in, showed the genius the unit. He stated it wS the worse light bleed he had seen. Reason replaced, as stated on the repair slip; light bleeding.
No questions asked in 14 minutes I went in with the old and out with the new.
Something from corporate has to be circulating to the stores regarding this issue. Otherwise I would find it difficult to believe any company would be willing to swap out a device without any hesitation.
 
Sowelu said:
Here's a picture of the display variance. On the left is a retail boxed vibrant and bright panel as seen on all the store displays (but it has light bleed). On the right is a brown-box replacement panel that does not have any light-bleed, but it's dimmer and a bit dingy with a yellowish green tint to it. It's also unevenly back-lit. Very distracting to my eyes.

I went through 3 brown-box replacements, they all look like the one to the right, or worse (this one was the best one out of the three). Might not be an issue for some, but for me it's awful to look at. Hopefully a new retail order will get me a vibrant display - F the light bleed.

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What has happened to Apple's QT?
 
returned, tired this apple crap, may be will buy at third party online store again if light bleed resolved and jailbreak come out.
 
Put me down as having given up for the time being.

Long story but basically got a bad one 3 weeks ago and spoke with Apple twice on the phone. They told me:

-Mine was part of a bad batch and they put me on hold while they checked to see if they wanted me to send it directly to them (they were collecting examples).

-They told me to go ahead and return it.

-I decided to go to the Apple store and spoke with a 'genius' who basically tried to scam me into buying a new one from the same serial # batch. He also told me I'd be allowed one and only one swap for this issue as Apple considers it 'cosmetic'. Swapping would have made the ipad unreturnable so...

-I got annoyed and just returned the stupid thing and got my money back.

-Went to Best Buy and the sales rep there said his had the same problem and he's just going to live with it. I suspect most people will.

It sucks because it's an astoundingly useful and powerful little machine. Also - backlight bleed not withstanding - the LG display is GORGEOUS.

I think it's safe to say the manufacturing process though was flawed and the potential is there for every LCD shipped to have problems of some kind. Mine was significant with brightness low in a dark room so it had to go.

My take is that Apple is trying to get the 'market' to absorb the few MILLION somewhat flawed ipads out there and is avoiding a product recall of any kind. I think it's pretty shocking that so many flawed products made it to market but otoh - it's REALLY not an issue AT ALL if you only use the iPad during the day or in a lit room. Still - I'm disappointed by Apple's handling of this situation.

I'll still be buying an iPad but will wait a few weeks to see if this issue gets resolved. I suggest potential buyers wait a month or two.
 
I'm supprised, I have a 23" samsung LED monitor and it is fantastic. Infact compared to all of the panels in the store it was the one with the best colors, and all it took was a one button auto configure out of the box and it was looking sharp! :cool:

So I know for a fact that samsung is more than capable of making good panels
 
mcdj said:
I don't recall any press conference or release where apple admitted to anything about iPad screens.

I also happen to own a nice new Samsung TV with backlight bleed, so looks like Samsung knows how to make bleeding panels too.
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Nice? Bleed? TV? Go plasma. ;)
 
Sowelu said:
Here's a picture of the display variance. On the left is a retail boxed vibrant and bright panel as seen on all the store displays (but it has light bleed). On the right is a brown-box replacement panel that does not have any light-bleed, but it's dimmer and a bit dingy with a yellowish green tint to it. It's also unevenly back-lit. Very distracting to my eyes.

I went through 3 brown-box replacements, they all look like the one to the right, or worse (this one was the best one out of the three). Might not be an issue for some, but for me it's awful to look at. Hopefully a new retail order will get me a vibrant display - F the light bleed.

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This is very interesting. My wife and I bought our iPads at the same time a few weeks ago. Mine has light bleed, hers doesnt. Mine is not as bad as some pics I've seen here. I was debating whether to exchange it until I saw this pic. I compared my wife's iPad to mine side by side and it looks just like this pic. Hers is a little duller.

Interesting...
 
I finally had time to sit down and take a picture of my new iPad 2--I got mine replaced earlier today because it had dust under the screen. It had a little bit of light bleed, in one corner and on the sides, but not nearly as bad as I've been seeing on this thread--it was very faint and hard to see in normal use. Here is the one I got as a replacement though:

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss168/chrisdomico/PhotoMay0794220PM.jpg?t=1304822960

Now that I have one with no light bleed, I'm really glad I did the exchange, but it wasn't really bothering me before. I basically took it in because the dust was bugging the crap out of me.

one more edit--the differentiation in the shade of black on the screen is mostly due to my iPhone 4's camera and the room I was in--when you're looking at the real thing, it is pretty damn near perfect.
 
Mine has slight bleed along left side but mostly near the top left and bottom left corners and not terrible at all. Took a photo but made it look worse than it is so I'm not posting. Also not playing the swap game, especially after seeing that comparison photo above.

I'd rather stick with my vibrant (and slightly flawed but not an issue for me) Lg dislay iPad 2.

And 100 percent brightness is dumb. Not realistic.
 
How many more years do you think we will have to wait for Apple to finally dump LCD panels and move onto a technically better display technology?

LCD was good answer to replacing bulky CRT screens, but we've had quite a few years of LCD and it's rotten black level performance due to the always on backlight which drains power, never gives us true blacks and has bleeding problems on anything from a phone to a 50" TV.

Most of the advances in lcds since launch have been to do with trying to overcome these fundamental basic problems with the technology.

Its too complicated with many layers, too variable in quality, and about time we moved onto something better.

The only 1 thing it seems to have is that it's cheap.
 
Hmm I don't see or I'm not bothered by the warmer looking screen. Then again I'd rather have a calibrated TV and that's probably too dull for those who like overly bright and saturated images.
 
VidPro said:
Hmm I don't see or I'm not bothered by the warmer looking screen. Then again I'd rather have a calibrated TV and that's probably too dull for those who like overly bright and saturated images.
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Exactly, many complain my tvs are too dark.
Ahhh no they are calibrated.

I believe I have both models as one is much softer in it's display than the other at the same brightness.
 
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