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Backlight bleeding

ZoomLens said:
The moderator should close down this thread and delete it from existence. :(

If not, in a year or two, people looking for used iPad 2 on place like Ebay
will be asking some real hard questions. Would any of you buy a used
iPad on Ebay knowing that it may have backlight bleeding issues? :D
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That's a great idea, why hasn't anyone thought of this before? I mean, seriously, we need to stop talking about this, stop helping people who are having problems, and just sweep the whole issue under the proverbial rug so you can have a little better resale value on your iPad 2.

This is quite possibly the most fantastic idea ever proposed on the face of the earth. I'm shocked the moderators haven't taken your advice and shut down not just this thread, but all threads that may have a negative impact on the resale value of any Apple product.

I'm so glad you came up with this most useful contribution.
 
AZREOSpecialist said:
That's a great idea, why hasn't anyone thought of this before? I mean, seriously, we need to stop talking about this, stop helping people who are having problems, and just sweep the whole issue under the proverbial rug so you can have a little better resale value on your iPad 2.

This is quite possibly the most fantastic idea ever proposed on the face of the earth. I'm shocked the moderators haven't taken your advice and shut down not just this thread, but all threads that may have a negative impact on the resale value of any Apple product.

I'm so glad you came up with this most useful contribution.
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You do realize that I was just kidding, right? :D

Apple is solely responsible for shipping out these crappy LCD panels. Sure, they
can blame it on the LCD panel manufacturers, but Apple failed to ensure the
final product(iPad) land on the customer's hands without any flaws.

I'm willing to bet that the iPad 2 in Mr. Steve Job's hands at this very minute
does not have any backlight bleeding issues. Come to think of it, he probably
ditched the iPad 2 already.... no, he is probably using the iPad 3 prototype. :D
 
new additions: K-(X-aimhigh-bad) 9-(X-mrt209-bad) P-(X-mrt209-bad) H-(X-aimhigh-bad) P-(X-TheMarkness-bad) N-(X-Antonio456-bad)


Read it as: week-(factory-user-condition).

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iPad2 BACKLIGHT BLEEDING issue from forum reports:


7 week 07 (seems none manufactured before week 7, well maybe... (X-stevejobs-OK))

8 week 08 (X-xaldafax-OK) (X-SPEEDwithJJ-bad)

9 week 09 (X-jps1012-OK) (X-Firestrife-OK) (X-peaceActivist-bad) (X-mrt209-bad)

C week 10 (X-TheMarkness-bad) (X-Danny133-bad)

D week 11 (X-danito85-bad) (X-thisisfunah-bad) (X-Jay858-bad) (X-Jay858-bad)

F week 12 (X-mvp2206-bad) (X-KevinM2-bad) (X-HardLuckStories-bad) (X-Hello-bad) (X-aerion-bad) (X-HardLuckStories-bad) (T-aeiron-bad)
G week 13 (X-kiko-OK) (X-roflc0pter-bad)

H week 14 (X-aimhigh-bad)

J week 15 (X-ClairebearZac-OK) (X-boraxatude-bad) (T-spiderman0616-OK) (X-Brad02-bad)

K week 16 (X-nickbarbs-OK) (X-sword28-OK) (T-hughmann-bad) (T-jaikob-OK) (X-built-OK) (X-built-OK) (X-hughmannVendor-OK) (X-chinit0-bad) (X-Satdude-bad) (X-jbud72-OK) (X-bcterp-OK) (X-andrew.danney-bad) (X-bpd115-OK) (X-rworne-OK) (T-slicecom-OK) (X-aimhigh-bad)

L week 17 (X-Tobster3-bad) (6-tehstk-bad) (6-gkarris-bad) (X-hoanganh-bad) (X-Grimes-OK)

M week 18 (6-ryxsolo-bad) (X-Jrfowlessc-bad) (6-blarivee-bad) (6-rummelx-bad) (X-iSamurai-bad) (X-HardLuckStories-OK) (X-BearsFan34-OK) (X-vicenturri-bad) (X-pinkmechanic-bad) (6-jrolson-bad) (6-headhoncho123-OK) (6-head_honcho_123-OK) (X-HardLuckStories-bad) (X-boraxatude-OK)

N week 19 (T-hughmann-bad) (X-RossMc-OK) (6-jogales-bad) (6-awjvail-bad) (6-catalyst6-bad) (6-rummelx-bad) (6-Clusty-bad) (X-jason910-OK) (6-doubledown7d-bad) (6-tYNS-bad) (6-Jay858-bad) (6-Grimes-bad) (6-Jay858-bad) (6-doubledown7d-bad) (X-cole01-OK) (X-Antonio456-bad)

P week 20 (X-alexwai-bad) (X-dquek123-bad) (X-chaicka-OK) (X-ryxsolo-OK) (X-Tobster3-OK) (X-catalyst6-bad) (X-gusnyc-bad) (6-smokingmonkey-bad) (X-corvus32-bad) (X-satdude-OK) (6-catalyst6-OK) (P-bcterp-bad) (6-Extract0r-bad) (6-Extract0r2-bad) (P-blarivee-bad) (6-syclick-bad) (6-Hardway-bad) P-(X-HoriZonUK-bad) (X-teatang-bad) (X-aeiron-bad) (X-TheMarkness-bad) (T-sam1990-OK) (X-mrt209-bad) (X-TheMarkness-bad)

Q week 21 (X-corvus32-bad) (X-GadgedtAddicted-OK) (X-spazer-bad) (6-Extract0r-bad) (6-Extract0r-bad) (L-Jay858-bad) (T-ZoomLens-OK) (X-Jay858-bad) (X-Jay858-bad) (X-xaldafax-OK) (6-HoriZonUK-bad)

R week 22 (X-Macdude2010-bad) (X-lavrishevo-OK) (X-Jay858-OK)
T week 23
V week 24
W week 25
X week 26
Y week 27

(*) X-user-bad, means 'X' is factory DLX, '6' is factory DL6, 'T' for factory DQT and 'P' for factory DMP, all taken from the first 3 of the serial.
(**) 4th character is half of the year. Will be 'F' for first, 'G' for second half.
(***) 5th character is week of manufacturing from previous table.

ps.- If your serial# starts with DLXFP. You have an iPad2 made at (DLX) factory, is made in the first half of the year (F) and on week 20 (P)
ps2.- post your first 5 characters of your serial and if you have a good backlight or the bleeding problem.
ps3.- any error in the table?, let me know.
 
user512 said:
new additions: K-(X-aimhigh-bad) 9-(X-mrt209-bad) P-(X-mrt209-bad) H-(X-aimhigh-bad) P-(X-TheMarkness-bad) N-(X-Antonio456-bad)
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6 new additions & unfortunately all are bad! :(

I'm tempted to go grab an iPad 2 (my 2nd attempt) at my local Target store as they've got in a bunch of stock but the above info doesn't instill any confidence in me to go grab one. :( I guess the long wait continues.... :( :( :(
 
ZoomLens said:
You do realize that I was just kidding, right? :D

Apple is solely responsible for shipping out these crappy LCD panels. Sure, they
can blame it on the LCD panel manufacturers, but Apple failed to ensure the
final product(iPad) land on the customer's hands without any flaws.

I'm willing to bet that the iPad 2 in Mr. Steve Job's hands at this very minute
does not have any backlight bleeding issues. Come to think of it, he probably
ditched the iPad 2 already.... no, he is probably using the iPad 3 prototype. :D
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I'm sure that anything Jobs uses has gone through at least 5 stages of management approval and represent the best of the best specimens available. The equipment he uses on stage for demos is probably tricked out (overclocked, extra RAM, etc.) and not "stock". I was actually just kidding, but after typing it out I'm truly starting to wonder... :)
 
AZREOSpecialist said:
I'm sure that anything Jobs uses has gone through at least 5 stages of management approval and represent the best of the best specimens available. The equipment he uses on stage for demos is probably tricked out (overclocked, extra RAM, etc.) and not "stock". I was actually just kidding, but after typing it out I'm truly starting to wonder... :)
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Yeah, I tend to agree with you. There is no way that Apple lets Steve Jobs go
on stage with a "consumer grade" iPad. :)

Unlike those slackers at Microsoft who allowed Bill Gates to face hundreds of
reporters with a Windows blue screen of death.... :(
 
Exchanged my DLXFJ for another DLXFJ and this one has minimal bleeding. The other one I wish I would have taken a pic of. It was so that the colors were washed out on the top right hand part of the screen at like 80-100% brightness. That was the only spot on the screen that had issues though.
 
I just checked mine for light bleed the day I got it replaced. It was very minor and I said what the he'll and kept it. So I was checking it today and now there is even more light bleed! I am gonna get it exchanged again sigh, gotta get another replacement from wrapsol.
 
I have a few questions about exchanging my iPad at the apple store because my iPad has some light bleeding.
Do the "geniuses" exchange iPads even if minor light bleeding? (I dont know how to measure the severity of light bleeding but mines has orangish glow all around iPad)
When they exchange it do i get a new one or refurbished?
I've heard of several people getting smart covers for free because of this light bleed issue. How did you guys persuade the genius to give you a free smart cover? :p
 
Plasmolyze said:
I have a few questions about exchanging my iPad at the apple store because my iPad has some light bleeding.
Do the "geniuses" exchange iPads even if minor light bleeding? (I dont know how to measure the severity of light bleeding but mines has orangish glow all around iPad)
When they exchange it do i get a new one or refurbished?
I've heard of several people getting smart covers for free because of this light bleed issue. How did you guys persuade the genius to give you a free smart cover? :p
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You need to read through this thread. All your questions will be answered. :rolleyes:

By the way, there is no free lunch.
 
Bought mine on launch, had extremely bad bleeding, noticeable even in normal lighting. Based on some of the success in this thread I exchanged mine @ the Apple store for the first time today, brown box, and the new one is perfect even in complete darkness. Looked brand new, no scratches, scuffs, etc.
 
ZoomLens said:
You do realize that I was just kidding, right? :D

Apple is solely responsible for shipping out these crappy LCD panels. Sure, they
can blame it on the LCD panel manufacturers, but Apple failed to ensure the
final product(iPad) land on the customer's hands without any flaws.
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LOL...Apple didn't 'fail' to do anything. They are doing exactly as their business model dictates for profitability. As I've said before, if you think that any manufacturer of a product that has an LCD display is going to ONLY keep the 'perfect' panels and throw the rest out, you are living in a dream land. Perfect edge lit panels are few and far between, and would put anyone out of business should they only keep the production open only to perfect panels. If this were the case, the price of the iPad would go up significantly, and availability would be sparse at best. The expectation of perfection in every LCD panel is unreasonable.

Again, if you don't agree...then don't buy it.
 
This whole backlight leak debacle is not because of faulty LCDs, but the way they are mounted to the chassis. Main culprit seems to be the uneven pressure applied to the LCD panels during assembly which puts pressure spots at random corners and the sides.

Apple will never admit to this design flaw as an official recall would cost them tens of millions of dollars and will tarnish their brand image.

As for the brown-box replacements at the Apple store, I personally saw one yesterday but it was way worse than my current iPad. I declined the exchange and will be returning my bleeding iPad back to Sam's club. If you are planning on exchanging it at the Apple store, make sure you take it to a dark room before accepting the replacement.

Good luck to all!
 
my friend got it yesterday DLXFT, this is definitely a keeper

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Extract0r said:
This whole backlight leak debacle is not because of faulty LCDs, but the way they are mounted to the chassis. Main culprit seems to be the uneven pressure applied to the LCD panels during assembly which puts pressure spots at random corners and the sides.

Apple will never admit to this design flaw as an official recall would cost them tens of millions of dollars and will tarnish their brand image.

As for the brown-box replacements at the Apple store, I personally saw one yesterday but it was way worse than my current iPad. I declined the exchange and will be returning my bleeding iPad back to Sam's club. If you are planning on exchanging it at the Apple store, make sure you take it to a dark room before accepting the replacement.

Good luck to all!
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I agree. Many of us (including me) held off on buying, thinking that Apple was going to deal with this backlight bleed issue, but the fact is that the screen is glued and not clipped. Not only are they not changing the process to ensure even pressure, but they will not be able to fix the returns as it would involve a costly removal of the screen, all the adhesive, and a painstaking process to reapply the screen with no uneven pressure.

Not going to happen, unfortunately.

I got lucky. My brown box replacement on 5/13 was from the one batch that is getting (overall) good reviews...I guess it's the luck of the draw, plus, as I pointed out earlier, it is probably down to the individual assembler whether or not the screen is affixed with even pressure.

Very disappointing for an Apple product. I would be seriously pissed to be on this never-ending merry-go-round of returns. People WANT to like their iPads...People do NOT WANT to keep going back to the store...and they are entitled to a product that reflects Apple's normal attention to detail...not this product which, in some cases, looks like some cheap Chinese knock-off with a bad screen.
 
Extract0r said:
The yet to be released Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 has been showing the same backlight leak problems. People who have been waiting for Apple to switch from LG LCD to Samsung LCD, don't keep your hopes up.

Backlight bleeding must be a tradeoff of making these devices crazy thin.
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Since not all of the iPad LCDs have the problem, however, I believe that there must be a way to produce them without the backlight leakage problems, and Apple LG and Samsung should have figured out a way to do it. I've checked my laptops and televisions with LCD screens, and I honestly don't see any backlight leakage. If it's there, it's so minimal that I can't see it.
 
sandylp said:
Since not all of the iPad LCDs have the problem, however, I believe that there must be a way to produce them without the backlight leakage problems, and Apple LG and Samsung should have figured out a way to do it. I've checked my laptops and televisions with LCD screens, and I honestly don't see any backlight leakage. If it's there, it's so minimal that I can't see it.
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Exactly it's tolerances in manufacturing and assembly, and then at the end quality control.
To suggest anything else is just stupid.

If you can make 1 good one then you can make many good ones.

Ok, you may have to change your machining/assembly techniques to a more accurate and/or reliable method, but it's just nuts and bolts stuff.

Anyone who works making physical items for a living knows this. The problem comes when you are pushing production levels hard.

There comes a point when "Good enough" becomes the rule, and not "The best we can do" is what you work to.

Perhaps it would take longer to keep things running to a tighter tolerance, or it would cost more due to tool changes, or parts being scrapped due to the tighter tolerances being enforced.

Also, there is the possibility of the design itself being at fault. Is the screen being pinched in these thin tight cases?
LCD panels do not like being twisted or pinched at all, otherwise you will see these bright spots happening.

With a monitor on your desktop there is room to mount the panel more gently and a few extra millimetres will not matter.

The only real answer I feel is going to be to get away from LCD screens to a thinner screen that does not suffer these problems at all.
It's not probably going to be this coming year, but perhaps by 2013 we will see SUPER AMOLED panels in tablets and finally put an end to these problems once and for all.
 
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This is my 10th Ipad 2. 100% dark room. I'm very satisfied with this one. :)
The 9th was returned due to a sqeak/cracking noise on the screen.

6/5 DLXFR From Best Buy
 
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