Backlight bleeding

[Wolfmore]

I've been pushed to profit $200 due this light bleed thing

I was lucky to get one the first round and was loving it till I read these forums. Started becoming obsessed about the light leak issue and decided to sell after having it only 5 days and wait for 2nd batch. Made $150 profit on that one. Then I got 2 ipads on the 2nd batch that went to Walmart on the 20th. I figured I would increase my chance of getting a "perfect" iPad. Both had light problems and one had stuck white pixel. I returned that one to store and got a new replacement...again light leak. I told my self all must have the light leak so pick the best one...I did. Sold the other and made quick $50 profit. And npw hear this: Today they had more at another Walmart so I said maybe this time I get a perfect one so I bought it and again light leak. I'll be selling it open box for about $50 profit. This weekend.

So all in all I've had 5 iPads all with light leak problems and one with dead pixels. I got to pick the best one each time but I feel kinda pathetic and disappointed that they all have light leak.

I don't know if I'll be able to stop this spiral

 

[beertapper]

Assume that apple is aware of this issue, and has possibly taken steps to correct it (e.g. supplier or manufacturing defect)...

Say if units made today onward no longer have this problem, could we expect these revised units to show up in retailers say end of May ??

It'd be curious to see when the bleeder ipads were made... does the serial number give any info on batch, assembly date, etc ? maybe there's a series of units to avoid...

 

[cmvsm]

Funny, all the articles I've read about this over the last couple of days and not one has mentioned that this was also a problem with the iPad1. Can you find and article detailing the screen bleeding issues with the iPad1?

I didn't cite anything about any articles, I said I had 8 of them, and they all had light bleed. However, if you are too lazy to look it up yourself, look at these threads. And they are the tip of the iceberg from the Ipad 1 days:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/891902/
http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=11498954
http://discussions.info.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=11404194
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/930708/
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18140876

There are also a ton of 'complaints' regarding light leakage from the iPod Touch, iPhone, HTC, Droid, Samsung, etc. If a device uses an LCD like this, it will have the issue. This type of LCD is cheaper to manufacture, enables a device to be as thin as possible, has great viewing angles, and looks good in 'normal' usage. Everything that Apple, or any others, would look for in a panel, so why would they change it to the iPad 2?

 

[cmvsm]

assume much? If I hand out any amount of my hard earned money, I expect perfection and nothing less. You think Steve Jobs was walking around all willy nilly in apple headquarters letting his programmers pass of software as "okay"?! No, he demanded perfection! He's notorious for being picky and blunt, go figure his customers are the same way.

The real problem is we're not satisfied with what we have purchased. Screen bleed in random places of the screen for every unit is not something consumers should have to deal with. If the screen bleeds were consistently in the same spots, then yes it would be expected. But this is in multiple different areas of the screen, which screams manufacturing defects and QA issues. If you're fine with that, then by all means enjoy your purchase. For the rest of us who have to actually work and save to purchase these products, it sucks. At least try to understand THAT much rather than jumping down peoples throats about not doing research.

Then don't buy it. Plain and simple. I didn't like what the DLP televisions offered in a technology, so I changed to LED televisions. However, I didn't go on a forum multiple times and complain how the DLP's should have been manufactured to perfection, as it was a limitation of that technology for that price, not a choice from the manufacturer to cripple it in some way, or have such horrible QC, that they just sent out whatever. It is what it is and if you can't accept it, go buy a Xoom or something else. You'll get the same outcome, but maybe it will make you feel justified in the short run. Maybe in the future, Apple will give a choice on LCD screens, and if you don't like this technology, you can select a full array backlit panel with no bleeding for another $200-$300. Even then, people will find something to complain about in price.

And i'm not jumping down anyone's throat. Buy what you want because it is your hard earned money. However, because there are those that don't do their research, and expect perfection from a technology that is ill equipped to provide it, ultimately it will cause Apple to put measures into place limiting returns, etc., that could possibly affect me if I indeed did have a legitimate issue. It seems to have already started, as there is a new thread on this forum stating that the Apple store placed a limit of returns on this customer, even though his issue was dust under the screen.

 

[jrichman63]

Then don't buy it. Plain and simple. I didn't like what the DLP televisions offered in a technology, so I changed to LED televisions. However, I didn't go on a forum multiple times and complain how the DLP's should have been manufactured to perfection, as it was a limitation of that technology for that price, not a choice from the manufacturer to cripple it in some way, or have such horrible QC, that they just sent out whatever. It is what it is and if you can't accept it, go buy a Xoom or something else. You'll get the same outcome, but maybe it will make you feel justified in the short run. Maybe in the future, Apple will give a choice on LCD screens, and if you don't like this technology, you can select a full array backlit panel with no bleeding for another $200-$300. Even then, people will find something to complain about in price.

And i'm not jumping down anyone's throat. Buy what you want because it is your hard earned money. However, because there are those that don't do their research, and expect perfection from a technology that is ill equipped to provide it, ultimately it will cause Apple to put measures into place limiting returns, etc., that could possibly affect me if I indeed did have a legitimate issue. It seems to have already started, as there is a new thread on this forum stating that the Apple store placed a limit of returns on this customer, even though his issue was dust under the screen.

Your disgusting and all you care about is will it effect me. Why are you persisting? Are rationalizing your purchase? Do you have light bleed? Why don't you post a picture of your ipad. You can think of me every time you watch a letter-boxed movie and see light bleed.

Expecting a defect free new product is not asking too much from a 500 dollar plus device. Seriously do you get some kick from defending a billion dollar company, because frankly they don't need your help.

 

[mattydodgy]

Should I go to the Genuis Bar?

A little annoyed with my iPad screen and I notice a few people are having some of the same issues as mine. Heavy backlight bleeding around all corners and I have counted at least 7 dead pixels...

Do you think I would be able to get an exchange t the Apple Store?

Wuld you think it would be best to wait a ew weeks before doing that so they can prepare for fresh batches?

 

[dread]

Your disgusting and all you care about is will it effect me. Why are you persisting? Are rationalizing your purchase? Do you have light bleed? Why don't you post a picture of your ipad. You can think of me every time you watch a letter-boxed movie and see light bleed.

Expecting a defect free new product is not asking too much from a 500 dollar plus device. Seriously do you get some kick from defending a billion dollar company, because frankly they don't need your help.

Maybe he works for apple.

 

[ri0ku]

A little annoyed with my iPad screen and I notice a few people are having some of the same issues as mine. Heavy backlight bleeding around all corners and I have counted at least 7 dead pixels...

Do you think I would be able to get an exchange t the Apple Store?

Wuld you think it would be best to wait a ew weeks before doing that so they can prepare for fresh batches?

Yes return it, I returned mine 4 times because of pixels/backlight bleeding/dust under screen.

You may all that money and it shouldnt have issues like that. Granted the backlight bleeding is kind of on allot of screens but the iPad really seems to have the worst case of it. Even after 4 swaps the final one i got has it... just nowhere near as bad as the other 4 I got previously. When watching stuff like widescreen films at night it was a pain it just got in the way was distracting.

So swap it until you get one thats suitable.

 

[aperry]

I didn't cite anything about any articles, I said I had 8 of them, and they all had light bleed. However, if you are too lazy to look it up yourself, look at these threads. And they are the tip of the iceberg from the Ipad 1 days:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/891902/
http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=11498954
http://discussions.info.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=11404194
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/930708/
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18140876

There are also a ton of 'complaints' regarding light leakage from the iPod Touch, iPhone, HTC, Droid, Samsung, etc. If a device uses an LCD like this, it will have the issue. This type of LCD is cheaper to manufacture, enables a device to be as thin as possible, has great viewing angles, and looks good in 'normal' usage. Everything that Apple, or any others, would look for in a panel, so why would they change it to the iPad 2?

Really, that's the best you can do? These obscure 1-page forum threads represent the decisive "research" that I missed prior to purchasing the iPad 2? Wow, I guess you've covinced me. In had "no idea" what I was purchasing because I missed these five short-lived forum threads about an otherwise completely unknown issue in the iPad 1.

Of course, by comparison, this issue with the iPad 2 now has a 45+ page thread going and dozens of articles written about it. Go figure. But I'm sure you're right, the other 10+ million iPad 1 owners probably just missed it.

 

[CristobalHuet]

I have some bleeding along the bottom and left/right sides, and I freaked when I initially saw it, but to be completely honest, it hasn't impacted my usage in any way: I never notice it's there and it's not even visible during regular use.

In fact, the ONLY way I notice there's any bleed at all is to crank up the brightness to 100% in a dark room on a dark background, a situation I doubt anyone finds themselves in other than to look for the bleeds.

I'm considering keeping it, but the OCD side of me knows that in the long run I'll never be able to shake the fact my screen has some bleeds, so I may end up taking my chances on a replacement unit to calm that down.

Or maybe not. We'll see.

 

[VidPro]

I have some bleeding along the bottom and left/right sides, and I freaked when I initially saw it, but to be completely honest, it hasn't impacted my usage in any way: I never notice it's there and it's not even visible during regular use.

In fact, the ONLY way I notice there's any bleed at all is to crank up the brightness to 100% in a dark room on a dark background, a situation I doubt anyone finds themselves in other than to look for the bleeds.

I'm considering keeping it, but the OCD side of me knows that in the long run I'll never be able to shake the fact my screen has some bleeds, so I may end up taking my chances on a replacement unit to calm that down.

Or maybe not. We'll see.

I'm tired of hearing that bleeders (yeah that's right , bleeders) only find this issue when using the iPad in a way that for some seems out of the ordinary. Ever watch a letterbox movie? My first and second units both had it and I did not need to crank the brightness to see it.

If your unit only shows it at full brightness I'd keep the one you have now. You may end up with one that will show it at lower brightness levels.

 

[Fliesen]

I'm tired of hearing that bleeders (yeah that's right , bleeders) only find this issue when using the iPad in a way that for some seems out of the ordinary. Ever watch a letterbox movie? My first and second units both had it and I did not need to crank the brightness to see it.

If your unit only shows it at full brightness I'd keep the one you have now. You may end up with one that will show it at lower brightness levels.

i have visible bleeding when i take a picture in a dark room (even at 60% brightness)

i've been watching roughly 8 episodes of Community and 7 full screen videos yesterday, in my bed, in a pitch black room and i couldn't care less. I'd really have to force myself to look at the bleeding instead of, let's say, the stuff that's going on in the middle of the screen :/

I stood in line for 2 hours on yesterday's launch day (not too busy of a city i live in), and i guess i love my iPad too much to ever be willing to exchange it for another one :/

 

[Stangs55]

I don't see any issues with mine. Should I be worried about restarting?

no. you're fine

 

[Hyakku]

Why are some of you on your fifth or sixth iPad? Are you really that stupid? If your issues are that bad, why don't you STOP BUYING IPAD 2s?? Who gets four broken things, and then thinks, "oh maybe the fifth won't?"

I've been enjoying the **** out of my iPad 2, but seriously, if it was broke, and FOUR - EIGHT replacements broke, you would have to lobotomize me to convince me to buy another instead of just taking my money back. How are some of you people this mentally handicapped? I'm legitimately baffled.


Forgive the typos, sent from my iPad 2

 

[jaav88]

I'm tired of hearing that bleeders (yeah that's right , bleeders) only find this issue when using the iPad in a way that for some seems out of the ordinary. Ever watch a letterbox movie? My first and second units both had it and I did not need to crank the brightness to see it.

If your unit only shows it at full brightness I'd keep the one you have now. You may end up with one that will show it at lower brightness levels.

I see my bleed quite bad even at 30% in a room with lights. I bought it yesterday inEurope...
I am going to wait like a week and then I will call to notify the apple store of my problem but I will wait to exchange the product a couple of months to be sure that the problem is fixed.

 

[WiiDSmoker]

Why are some of you on hour fifth or sixth iPad? Are you really that stupid? If your issues are that bad, why don't you STOP BUYING IPAD 2s?? Who gets four broken things, and then thinks, "oh maybe the fifth won't?"

I've been enjoying the **** out of my iPad 2, but seriously, if it was broke, and FOUR - EIGHT replacements broke, you would have to lobotomize me to convince me to buy another instead of just taking my money back. How are some of you people this mentally handicapped? I'm legitimately baffled.


Forgive the typos, sent from my iPad 2

Well, it is sending a message to Apple that we demand and want quality.

 

[Hyakku]

Well, it is sending a message to Apple that we demand and want quality.

Ok, so your logic is that instead of voting with your wallet and buying a competitors item or keeping your funds for personal use, you should instead continue to buy or exchange something for another broken product in the HOPES, of getting a merely "satisfactory defective" unit. And this will show apple that you demand and want quality?

There's gotta be something in MR's water, I might have to head out of here before I'm infected with this disease.

 

[VidPro]

Ok, so your logic is that instead of voting with your wallet and buying a competitors item or keeping your funds for personal use, you should instead continue to buy or exchange something for another broken product in the HOPES, of getting a merely "satisfactory defective" unit. And this will show apple that you demand and want quality?

There's gotta be something in MR's water, I might have to head out of here before I'm infected with this disease.

Actually multiple returns seem more expensive to Apple and probably sends a better message.

 

[stripedsnake]

Actually multiple returns seem more expensive to Apple and probably sends a better message.

+1 - the more iPads you return and they replace, the more they are spending on logistics, man hours, repair and diagnostic time, etc. In the long run though, its all relative and Apple won't see as significant a hit as we think with how much they are making off of each combined with the fact that every one sent back can be refurbed and resold, replenishing stock.

 

[ThatsMeRight]

Before I did my homework, I exchanged out 8 different iPad 1's, as they all had light bleed. So I'm not sure what you are talking about there. And my 8 came different locations of Apple stores and Best Buys, all the same issue. I did settle on the last one that had very little light bleed, but it still had it. I would actually have exchanged that one, but Best Buy said forget it, this is within the tolerance of LED technology, "just look at our television sets". This is why I chuckle that those that say, it will get better with the next batch. That's BS, as its been the same since the first model, and Apple did not decide to use a different style of panel for the iPad 2. So Apple store Geniuses that say that, just want to get you out of the store and out of their hair, as they don't want to sit there and open every iPad that they have in stock. It is that way, and won't change due to factors that I've cited a million times.

You can do your due diligence by researching the type of panel used, as it is the same in both. As far as doing it before the launch, well you can't until you actually see the final product, so you are taking a chance. That applies to anything that is manufactured I would suppose. But once you know, to continue to exchange out and complain on this board is useless. Like I've said before, if its so bad that you see it beyond that of a black screen, then yes, I'd say that exceeds the tolerance of the problem, and it should be changed out. Too many people running back and forth exchanging, thinking "this will be the perfect one I know it". There are very few out there that fit that description.

I disagree with you and this is just real 'fanboy-ism'. Apple has to do something about this, and they will if people keep returning their ipads.

Sure some iPad 1s had the problem, but it certainly wasn't such a widespread problem as it is with the ipad 2!

 

[ThatsMeRight]

One is at 50% brightness and the other is 100%. Should I keep or return?

Definitely return. People should not accept these problems.

I understand this. I had perfect screens on all 3 iPad 1s, and I sold them to cash flow iPad 2s. However, there are a lot of improvements in design and performance with the iPad 2. Also, I have confidence that Apple will get this issue fixed. So, in the end, it's a bitter sweet experience for now.

I agree with you that the iPad 2 is awesome and much better than the iPad 1, but everything you see and do is on the screen and that - unfortunately - fails on the ipad 2.

 

[2 Owls]

Mine has a couple of areas where the light is a bit brighter around the edge, not an issue really, it's just about noticeable when I have a black page/image open, and only if you look for it.

 

[LasseBruce]

I bought mine yesterday when they went on sale in Denmark (first in line). It has some backlight bleeding, put it's not a problem. I never saw it till i looked for it (full brightness, black image and dark room). You can't see it during normal use, not even when it's at 100%.

 

[sracer]

+1 - the more iPads you return and they replace, the more they are spending on logistics, man hours, repair and diagnostic time, etc. In the long run though, its all relative and Apple won't see as significant a hit as we think with how much they are making off of each combined with the fact that every one sent back can be refurbed and resold, replenishing stock.

QFT.

Also beware that there are some who may be posting here who are nothing more than attention-seeking trolls... using flawed logic to draw people into arguing and debating... while others do so in an attempt to depict those who are experiencing the problem as irrationally emotional. Don't fall for it.

 

[iJordz]

Can someone explain to me What is Backlight bleeding?

How Do I know / test If I have it?

What Can I Do about it if i do have it?