Exchange would be nice but I'm not in a rush. It's not just dark backgrounds, the leak on the bottom left of the screen is extremely bright and causes lighter colors to look "burnt" near the edge. Given the size of the screen the amount of bleeding in unacceptable. I'm fairly sure if anyone bought a TV and you put the bleed into scale with the size of the screen, you'd be pretty pissed off too and not calling it acceptable.
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Backlight bleeding
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Your example sounds like it is an extreme case and should be replaced, but let me tell you that the majority of people complaining don't have anywhere near the bleeding as you do.
Mine looks a lot like yours but I had to go in a completely dark room to see it.
32GB black wifi, brightness ~ 50%
Hey all.
Do you think this has to do with the fact Apple is using 100% glue now
Maybe production is so fast and fierce, the dry process is failing.
IDK.
Do you think this has to do with the fact Apple is using 100% glue now
Maybe production is so fast and fierce, the dry process is failing.
IDK.
Count me in as well --- 16GB Wifi + AT&T, White:
http://i52.tinypic.com/23h1rt4.jpg
My first iPad does NOT do this.
Just called best buy -- they don't have any stock...so if I return it all I get is a refund. Thanks a lot Apple. Engadget poll shows more than 3000 users affected by this.
Also -- I'm going to throw something else out there...The screen on the 1st gen ipad just looks better. The ipad 2's screen is definitely different, not even taking into account the light bleeding. The iPad 1 has a better screen imho -- I'm putting two HD pictures side by side or two 720p movies side by side at the exact same frame, with brightness on 100% on both units, and the iPad 1 definitely looks better. I don't know how else to describe it except the ipad 2 looks dull and darker. I don't have a good enough camera to take a pic to the difference (as you can see from my shot above, heh!).
http://i52.tinypic.com/23h1rt4.jpg
My first iPad does NOT do this.
Just called best buy -- they don't have any stock...so if I return it all I get is a refund. Thanks a lot Apple. Engadget poll shows more than 3000 users affected by this.
Also -- I'm going to throw something else out there...The screen on the 1st gen ipad just looks better. The ipad 2's screen is definitely different, not even taking into account the light bleeding. The iPad 1 has a better screen imho -- I'm putting two HD pictures side by side or two 720p movies side by side at the exact same frame, with brightness on 100% on both units, and the iPad 1 definitely looks better. I don't know how else to describe it except the ipad 2 looks dull and darker. I don't have a good enough camera to take a pic to the difference (as you can see from my shot above, heh!).
Maybe in some cases, but for the most part backlight bleed is created when the panel is manufactured, not when it is glued to the glass front of the iPad.
Can we see them both side by side for comparison? With the same brightness setting on both?
Focus sucks and this is 100% brightness in a completely dark bathroom. I haven't tried watching a movie but that's next as that will be the most likely scenario where this will be an issue. I don't think mine is worth returning unless Apple admits some major fault and does mass replacements, which IMO would be overkill for something like this. It's a mass-produced LED display, and my 24" Samsung monitor has it much, much worse.
I'm sure some people have true defects but I don't think mine is one. No yellow tint on white pages, either.
I'm sure some people have true defects but I don't think mine is one. No yellow tint on white pages, either.
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I see extremely minor backlight bleed on the left side in the first pic. Overall that is exactly how mine looks, but if you were to take a picture with a longer exposure and put it in this thread you'd be getting tons of replies about how horrible it looks. People have no clue how photography works compared to how the human eye sees it.
Looks to be as good as one can get, there looks like there may be a bit on one side but I would find that more than perfectly acceptable given the nature of the device. Kinda jealous! Apple was incredibly friendly and with Apple Care is doing an exchange for me, no delusions it will be better but it would be nice. I have to say I'm a big Apple fan but their QC seems to be hit or miss over the last few years, given their size it's understandable to some extent but some of the issues that have gotten through are a bit puzzling/disappointing. Better than any other company I've dealt with though, Apple has always been willing to go above and beyond when it comes to correcting their slip ups.
I'm pretty bummed - the light bleed was the first thing I noticed when I turned mine on. I have two areas of bleed, one of them in my opinion is acceptable and the other is really bad.
I'm wondering can I just order another one online and take this one back for a refund???
I'm wondering can I just order another one online and take this one back for a refund???
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Incorrect. That's correct on LED edge-lit TVs. But not on a properly made backlit displays.
i just got my first ipad
are ppl using 100% brightness when they see these bleedings?
is this how you test for bleedings?
are ppl using 100% brightness when they see these bleedings?
is this how you test for bleedings?
I know these aren't the best pictures in the world, but the bleeding is very prevalent along the entire lefthand side and the bottom left corner. Please ignore my iPhone 4's reflection I didn't notice it until I uploaded the pictures haha. I'm debating on exchanging it for a new one once all the demand slows down.
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Correct! As far as I know, Apple do not use cheap edge-lit LED panels in their iPads, but good full LED panels. Therefore, backlight bleeding is unacceptable...
Correct! As far as I know, Apple do not use cheap edge-lit LED panels in their iPads, but good full LED panels. Therefore, backlight bleeding is unacceptable...
mine shipped @ 50% brightness. On first startup I noticed the bleed off top.
Really? This whole scene is like a broken record from the first iPad distribution. LCD's are going to have this issue. It's inherent with the technology. Yes, I'm sure that there are perfect ones out there, but those are more the exceptions than the rule with the way that LCD's are put together. Applies to televisions, frames, portable video game consoles, etc.
If it were exceptionally bad, I would definitely take it back to get one of a lesser degree. But again, if your expectation is perfection, you'll be exchanging quite a few out.
I expect that Apple's exchange policy on these kind of devices will get very strict in the coming months.
You are uninformed, they do indeed use edge-lit displays for all of their products.
There are three main different methods of doing LED backlight:
Source: Wikipedia
The first and last methods above require extra power as well as extra thickness in the panel itself. The second method however can be made into super thin panels like the ones Apple uses.
I can assure you 100% that there is no Apple displays with arrays or dynamic LEDs arranged behind the display, only edge-lit LEDs. Non-edge lit is costly and also thicker. Just because Apple is a premium brand doesn't mean they will sacrifice cost, thickness, and battery life just to get a better display.
Backlight bleed on edge-lit displays are caused by the diffusion panel not being 100% flat/smooth and flawless. They almost always get bent slightly during the manufacturing process.
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ovrlrd,
Hmm, perhaps you're right. I believe I read some articles about Apple using full LED displays. My bad, sorry...
ovrlrd,
Hmm, perhaps you're right. I believe I read some articles about Apple using full LED displays. My bad, sorry...
Yes, I kept adjusting the shutter speed until the images looked pretty close to what my eye was seeing. With a longer exposure I could definitely inflate the bleed effect. The images I posted may be just slightly underexposed (show less bleed than reality) but again, it's pretty close and not too bad. IMO. Others are posting things that look a lot worse.
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Guys, do you think Apple are going to fix backlight bleeding in the weeks to come!? I believe it is not very likely that it is going to happen: they will have to make some significant changes to the production process. I really want to buy a flawless iPad.
Guys, do you think Apple are going to fix backlight bleeding in the weeks to come!? I believe it is not very likely that it is going to happen: they will have to make some significant changes to the production process. I really want to buy a flawless iPad.
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Mine is visible at any brightness. It was shipped at 50% and was instantly noticeable when I turned the power on.
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Mine is visible at any brightness. It was shipped at 50% and was instantly noticeable when I turned the power on.
I have spent time on three other iPads and four iPhones with ZERO perceptible bleeding. (Whatever bleeding might be there is below the level of what can be noticed when intentionally looking for it.) My iPad 2 had bleeding that was the first thing I noticed the first time I turned it on straight out of the box when not looking for it. Only have 14 days to return it and I don't know if they'll have more stock for a replacement by then.
Can't get very good pictures without a real camera, but I'm on my way back to BB this morning. These might give a tiny hint of what it really looks like--in person it is hugely distracting during video playback:
Can't get very good pictures without a real camera, but I'm on my way back to BB this morning. These might give a tiny hint of what it really looks like--in person it is hugely distracting during video playback: