Barclays: iPhone 12 Pro and Pro Max Will Likely Have 6GB of RAM, iPhone SE 2 Production to Begin February

[smulji]

Yup. In fact, if the bezel width were to remain the same as the 11 Pro, the 5.4” will be 1-2mm less wide and 4-5mm less tall than the 6/7/8. (Presumably thicker, however.) And to the extent there’s any bezel shrink, it’ll be even smaller.

With these tweaks (5.8—>5.4” and 6.5—>6.7”) I think Apple will have nailed the Pro and Pro Max sizing: slightly smaller for those coming from 6/6s/7/8, and slightly larger—as in huge — for those who like, well, huge displays.

That's definitely one scenario that can play out. Unless Kuo is wrong and the 5.4" is a non-pro model, another possible scenario is this:

iPhone 12 (5.4" & 6.1")
iPhone 12 Pro (5.8" & 6.7")

 

[Billyk711]

That's definitely one scenario that can play out. Unless Kuo is wrong and the 5.4" is a non-pro model, another possible scenario is this:

iPhone 12 (5.4" & 6.1")
iPhone 12 Pro (5.8" & 6.7")

Kuo is always wrong, only time he is correct is in October when he says Apple will release new iPhone next September with new A series chip and better cameras,
Wish someone would make a list everytime he was wrong, I wonder if financial analysts really read his notes because when he says how many iPhones will be sold in a quarter he always wrong.
like that new iPad in October why doesn’t he explain himself when wrong?

 

[PickUrPoison]

That's definitely one scenario that can play out. Unless Kuo is wrong and the 5.4" is a non-pro model, another possible scenario is this:

iPhone 12 (5.4" & 6.1")
iPhone 12 Pro (5.8" & 6.7")

It’s possible Kuo is getting it wrong, but he seems to have really good sources in the display industry.

He called the 6.1 LCD of the XR, and the 5.8/6.5 OLED of the XS/XS Max in October 2017, just as the X was launching. Last Feb he predicted the 16” MBP, the 10.2” iPad and the 32” 6K3K XDR.

So if he’s right it’ll be:

iPhone “SE2” (4.7”) LCD
iPhone 12 (6.1") OLED
iPhone 12 Pro (5.4" & 6.7") OLED

We’ll probably get a new round of rumors early next year, if not before.

The iPhone 8 would seem to be discontinued with the “SE2” intro, the XR price would drop to $499 next Sept.

 

[smulji]

It’s possible Kuo is getting it wrong, but he seems to have really good sources in the display industry.

He called the 6.1 LCD of the XR, and the 5.8/6.5 OLED of the XS/XS Max in October 2017, just as the X was launching. Last Feb he predicted the 16” MBP, the 10.2” iPad and the 32” 6K3K XDR.

So if he’s right it’ll be:

iPhone “SE2” (4.7”) LCD
iPhone 12 (6.1") OLED
iPhone 12 Pro (5.4" & 6.7") OLED

We’ll probably get a new round of rumors early next year, if not before.

The iPhone 8 would seem to be discontinued with the “SE2” intro, the XR price would drop to $499 next Sept.

There are a lot of people that like the 5.8” iPhone size. I feel for them if you’re right.

 

[realtuner]

Trivial things that Apple copies year after year after year. Is LTE a trivial thing? How about 5G? OLED? RAM? Multi-unit cameras? I thought one extra camera was the highlight of iPhone 11 and you say it's a trivial thing. Next year Apple is going to add TOF sensor (Samsung phones already have it). Was NFC a trivial thing? How about wireless charging? These features define modern smartphones, they are anything but trivial.

Funny, I never mentioned anything about who had something first so stop putting words into my mouth (like you usually do).

Android is a joke compared to iOS. Poor security, horrible at updates, privacy sucking data mining, lousy Fisher Price Apps, inferior ecosystem and aftermarket support, completely useless on tablets.....


As to the RAM argument: On an iPad Mini with an A7 processor and 1GB RAM I could run 3 audio Apps in real time (MIDI sequencer App sending MIDI data to a synthesizer App which sends audio to a recording App). All without lag, stutters or latency. Today, even the worlds most powerful Android devices still can't perform this basic task. Pathetic.

 

[Radon87000]

What issues it was a bug when they updated, u still have ram management issues, update.

Take a look at this. RAM management on iOS 13 is not as good as it used to be on iPhones. The Galaxy Note 10 holds the crown for ram management.

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The current Ram Management issues are iOS 13 driven. Not the 11 Pro Max having 4gb of ram.
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No, Apple needs to completely rewrite their internal structures for iOS development. Oh, wait, they just announced that. Don’t lay it on the hardware. iOS 13 is a pig. Put lipstick on it and it’s still a pig with lipstick.

Take a look at this. RAM management on iOS 13 is not as good as it used to be on iPhones. The Galaxy Note 10 holds the crown for ram management.

 

[I7guy]

Trivial things that Apple copies year after year after year. Is LTE a trivial thing? How about 5G? OLED? RAM? Multi-unit cameras? I thought one extra camera was the highlight of iPhone 11 and you say it's a trivial thing. Next year Apple is going to add TOF sensor (Samsung phones already have it). Was NFC a trivial thing? How about wireless charging? These features define modern smartphones, they are anything but trivial.

You consider copying from android all the intellectual property invented outside of android that android copied? I’m surprised water resistance wasn’t mentioned.

 

[B4U]

I don’t have any need for USB-C, so I’m with you on this. I have a lot of investment with lightning cables, accessories, and having lightning universal with my AirPods, iPod, iPhone, even my iPads are all lightning, I just don’t have any use for USB-C. However, I suspect that the iPhone SE 2 for 2020 will probably be lightning enabled, and if there are any USB-C transitions, it probably would only be for the next Gen ‘iPhone 12’.

That is where my struggle going to be. I did skip the 11 cycle given my X is working like a champ.
Given that Apple did away with the 3d touch, this would be another blow that I may not take from them.

 

[smulji]

Take a look at this. RAM management on iOS 13 is not as good as it used to be on iPhones. The Galaxy Note 10 holds the crown for ram management.

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Take a look at this. RAM management on iOS 13 is not as good as it used to be on iPhones. The Galaxy Note 10 holds the crown for ram management.

Looks to me more like an iOS 13 problem. iOS 12 was smooth as butter.

 

[code-m]

That's an example and yet you still don't understand the issue.

I find it contradictory when people have said discussions:

I want more than 4GB of RAM on a PRO labeled phone;
Q. Why do you need it when iOS does a great job of automatic memory management?
A. To future proof an expensive phone purchase.

Q. Why do you need 5G access, it is presently limited and is a mess?
A. I like to keep my phone for a long time, plus I travel so I want to take advantage of other countries 5G connectivity offerings, plus the phone is expensive so it kinda makes sense. Even if 5G is evolving, there is still backwards compatibility, much rather have it than not.

Q. The phone is so thick and heavy but has great battery life?
A. Why cannot Apple just release a phone with great battery life and also make it lighter and thinner to fit in my pocket, because present day limitations and laws of physics. If you want a thick phone get a case, but the case adds no benefit.

Q. Smart Battery Case is so thick, heavy and hideous?
A. I don't want a thick and heavy phone with an attached battery case but I want more battery life/capacity, just make the phone thicker and heavier. But I don't want to pay more for it and I don't want to carry other affordable portable battery rechargers as it is too much to carry and not convenient.

Q. I like all these new accessories Apple releases to make it's hardware ecosystem amazing?
A. Yes, but they are removing once standard features and separating them for additional profits by making nonsensical claims.

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Looks to me more like an iOS 13 problem. iOS 12 was smooth as butter.

Blame it on DarkMode 🤣
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Kuo is always wrong, only time he is correct is in October when he says Apple will release new iPhone next September with new A series chip and better cameras,
Wish someone would make a list everytime he was wrong, I wonder if financial analysts really read his notes because when he says how many iPhones will be sold in a quarter he always wrong.
like that new iPad in October why doesn’t he explain himself when wrong?

I don't believe Kuo is ALWAYS wrong, but does have a very good track record. I believe when incorrect it must be Apple testing some options and deciding somewhere along the line that one option is better than the other.

What I suspect Kuo gets early in a products release cycle are raw facts, as Apple nears production, announcement and release it becomes refined. I do not suspect Apple comes up with a one size early on unless it has been working closely with a 3rd party company for a custom order like the 5.8" OLED screen.

What is odd in the iPad lineup is

iPad Mini = 7.9" screen
iPad (Classic) = 9.7" screen (to be discontinued)
iPad = 10.2" screen
iPad Air = 10.5" screen
iPad Pro = 11" and 12.9" screen sizes

iPad Mini = 1st Gen Pencil support no Smart Connector
iPad (Classic) = 1st Gen Pencil
iPad = 1st Gen Pencil and Smart Connector
iPad Air = 1st Gen Pencil and Smart Connector
iPad Pro = 2nd Gen Pencil and relocated Smart Connector

Apple your iPad lineup is messy, trim the excess, support 2nd Gen Pencil on all models and include FaceID or incorporate TouchID on the power button, even affordable Samsung tablets have slim bezels. The large top and bottom bezels look dated.

 

[ajfahey]

Damn! That camera button + longer life and drop protection does make one pause. If I didn't already have a case I would definitely buy this.

 

[The Oak]

Take a look at this. RAM management on iOS 13 is not as good as it used to be on iPhones. The Galaxy Note 10 holds the crown for ram management.

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Take a look at this. RAM management on iOS 13 is not as good as it used to be on iPhones. The Galaxy Note 10 holds the crown for ram management.

12 GB RAM vs 4 GB of RAM. The Pixel and Samsung better win!

With that being said ... if you watch the full video ... the big thing that slowed down the iPhone was the loading of a single game. Otherwise, I would say it was a fairly even split

 

[falainber]

Funny, I never mentioned anything about who had something first so stop putting words into my mouth (like you usually do).

Android is a joke compared to iOS. Poor security, horrible at updates, privacy sucking data mining, lousy Fisher Price Apps, inferior ecosystem and aftermarket support, completely useless on tablets.....


As to the RAM argument: On an iPad Mini with an A7 processor and 1GB RAM I could run 3 audio Apps in real time (MIDI sequencer App sending MIDI data to a synthesizer App which sends audio to a recording App). All without lag, stutters or latency. Today, even the worlds most powerful Android devices still can't perform this basic task. Pathetic.

"They only lead in trivial things". That's what you said. Funny how you are trying to claim that someone getting the feature first does not mean leadership. But, apparently, getting certain level of performance first does mean leadership.

Shutters and lag in audio apps have nothing to do with RAM. iOS can't do plenty of things that Android devices can. Does it mean that they are even more pathetic?
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You consider copying from android all the intellectual property invented outside of android that android copied? I’m surprised water resistance wasn’t mentioned.

You are correct. It should have been mentioned but then the full list of things that Android got first is way too long for a casual post.

 

[Justanotherfanboy]

Trivial things that Apple copies year after year after year. Is LTE a trivial thing? How about 5G? OLED? RAM? Multi-unit cameras? I thought one extra camera was the highlight of iPhone 11 and you say it's a trivial thing. Next year Apple is going to add TOF sensor (Samsung phones already have it). Was NFC a trivial thing? How about wireless charging? These features define modern smartphones, they are anything but trivial.

Your comment doesn’t really land.
1) 4G was in no way “copied”... the Android phones that had it before the actual rollout were notorious for running hot & having excessive battery drain. The very soonest cycle Apple could add an energy efficient 4G chip, they did. Pretending like they had no idea such a technology existed & “copied” it is disingenuous at best.
2) They are already slated by the end of 2020 to have more 5G phones in use than all other Android phones combined; soooooo.... mentioning 5G makes the exact OPPOSITE argument you were going for.
3) NFC? Yeah, it’s awesome that Apple Pay uses it. Umm... before Apple Pay came out- what would be the purpose exactly? Are you complaining because they didn’t have a cheesy “bump your phones to share pics” feature? Are you saying that even though they were absolutely the 1st to nail secure payments w/ NFC & the secure enclave, that they should have miraculously done it sooner?
4) TOF will be exactly the same. Nobody now knows what that is or does, even owners of Samsung phones... probably because it really doesn’t do anything on them. However, when Apple adds it (you know, with a purpose other than screaming “FIRST!”), you can be pretty much certain that it will suddenly become a household term & enable some savage AR apps.
5) Multiple cameras? Well, when Apple bought LinX in 2015- it was for their tech tying together 2, 3, & 4 cluster cameras (the last of which we still have yet to look forward to!). Obviously, to spend upwards of $20 million on an acquisition- they had plans for them. Again, NOT a “copied” feature.
6) OLED is a great tech. Unfortunately, there isn’t nearly enough production capacity on the planet to supply Apple’s entire phone lineup. Thank goodness they aren’t having problems sourcing them for their high-end phones, have the best LCD screens on the planet for their less expensive phones, and seem to be prepping to move to microLED in the not too distant future.

Fin.

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I’ll absolutely give you wireless charging though... it hasn’t changed really over the years; Apple didn’t bring anything new when they added it, and there is no reason (that I can think of) that Apple took sooooo long to implement it. It absolutely feels simply like a copied feature.

 

[falainber]

Your comment doesn’t really land.
1) 4G was in no way “copied”... the Android phones that had it before the actual rollout were notorious for running hot & having excessive battery drain. The very soonest cycle Apple could add an energy efficient 4G chip, they did. Pretending like they had no idea such a technology existed & “copied” it is disingenuous at best.
2) They are already slated by the end of 2020 to have more 5G phones in use than all other Android phones combined; soooooo.... mentioning 5G makes the exact OPPOSITE argument you were going for.
3) NFC? Yeah, it’s awesome that Apple Pay uses it. Umm... before Apple Pay came out- what would be the purpose exactly? Are you complaining because they didn’t have a cheesy “bump your phones to share pics” feature? Are you saying that even though they were absolutely the 1st to nail secure payments w/ NFC & the secure enclave, that they should have miraculously done it sooner?
4) TOF will be exactly the same. Nobody now knows what that is or does, even owners of Samsung phones... probably because it really doesn’t do anything on them. However, when Apple adds it (you know, with a purpose other than screaming “FIRST!”), you can be pretty much certain that it will suddenly become a household term & enable some savage AR apps.
5) Multiple cameras? Well, when Apple bought LinX in 2015- it was for their tech tying together 2, 3, & 4 cluster cameras (the last of which we still have yet to look forward to!). Obviously, to spend upwards of $20 million on an acquisition- they had plans for them. Again, NOT a “copied” feature.
6) OLED is a great tech. Unfortunately, there isn’t nearly enough production capacity on the planet to supply Apple’s entire phone lineup. Thank goodness they aren’t having problems sourcing them for their high-end phones, have the best LCD screens on the planet for their less expensive phones, and seem to be prepping to move to microLED in the not too distant future.

Fin.

Too many inaccuracies to address. Let me just say that Google Wallet was using NFC for payments before Apple Pay arrived. Also, Samsung customers may not know that their phones have TOF sensors but they definitely use them. The sensor is used by the Live focus video and by the Quick Measure app.

 

[realtuner]

"They only lead in trivial things". That's what you said. Funny how you are trying to claim that someone getting the feature first does not mean leadership. But, apparently, getting certain level of performance first does mean leadership.

Apparently you still don’t get it. Put the latest Android phones and iPhone side-by-side. They all have things they are better at vs the other. The things Android has an advantage in are trivial (but always made to appear more important than they are) while the things the iPhone has an advantage are significant (things I already mentioned like privacy, security, updates, Apps, ecosystem and so on).

You’re trying to turn this into a “who got what first”. Which you will lose spectacularly if you want to go down that rabbit hole.

You are correct. It should have been mentioned but then the full list of things that Android got first is way too long for a casual post.

Still shorter than a list what iOS got first. Hilarious that people, in 2019, still seem to think Android “invented everything”.

 

[I7guy]

...
You are correct. It should have been mentioned but then the full list of things that Android got first is way too long for a casual post.

And the full list of things that IOS got first is even longer. We're talking about firsts, not who was the first to copy?
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Your comment doesn’t really land.
1) 4G was in no way “copied”... the Android phones that had it before the actual rollout were notorious for running hot & having excessive battery drain. The very soonest cycle Apple could add an energy efficient 4G chip, they did. Pretending like they had no idea such a technology existed & “copied” it is disingenuous at best.
2) They are already slated by the end of 2020 to have more 5G phones in use than all other Android phones combined; soooooo.... mentioning 5G makes the exact OPPOSITE argument you were going for.
3) NFC? Yeah, it’s awesome that Apple Pay uses it. Umm... before Apple Pay came out- what would be the purpose exactly? Are you complaining because they didn’t have a cheesy “bump your phones to share pics” feature? Are you saying that even though they were absolutely the 1st to nail secure payments w/ NFC & the secure enclave, that they should have miraculously done it sooner?
4) TOF will be exactly the same. Nobody now knows what that is or does, even owners of Samsung phones... probably because it really doesn’t do anything on them. However, when Apple adds it (you know, with a purpose other than screaming “FIRST!”), you can be pretty much certain that it will suddenly become a household term & enable some savage AR apps.
5) Multiple cameras? Well, when Apple bought LinX in 2015- it was for their tech tying together 2, 3, & 4 cluster cameras (the last of which we still have yet to look forward to!). Obviously, to spend upwards of $20 million on an acquisition- they had plans for them. Again, NOT a “copied” feature.
6) OLED is a great tech. Unfortunately, there isn’t nearly enough production capacity on the planet to supply Apple’s entire phone lineup. Thank goodness they aren’t having problems sourcing them for their high-end phones, have the best LCD screens on the planet for their less expensive phones, and seem to be prepping to move to microLED in the not too distant future.

Fin.

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I’ll absolutely give you wireless charging though... it hasn’t changed really over the years; Apple didn’t bring anything new when they added it, and there is no reason (that I can think of) that Apple took sooooo long to implement it. It absolutely feels simply like a copied feature.

- NFC - 1983 http://www.nfcnearfieldcommunication.org/history.html
- TOF - 2000 another invention android copied first https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-of-flight_camera
- wireless charging, not new has been around for 50 years, however the Qi standard is relatively new

Unfortunately this conversation persists...

 

[falainber]

And the full list of things that IOS got first is even longer. We're talking about firsts, not who was the first to copy?
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- NFC - 1983 http://www.nfcnearfieldcommunication.org/history.html
- TOF - 2000 another invention android copied first https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-of-flight_camera
- wireless charging, not new has been around for 50 years, however the Qi standard is relatively new

Unfortunately this conversation persists...

You say the list of iPhone firsts is longer but do not provide a single example. Also, I listed the features Android phones got before iPhones did. I did not claim Android phone vendors invented them. I have no idea what you are trying to prove. Smartphones adopt the technologies invented elsewhere all the time. For example, multitouch interface was not invented by Apple either, are you going to hold it against Apple? Apple is not really a tech company, they rarely invent anything.

 

[I7guy]

You say the list of iPhone firsts is longer but do not provide a single example.

iPhone 1. Change

Also, I listed the features Android phones got before iPhones did. I did not claim Android phone vendors invented them. [/QUOTE]
A copy is still a copy using this type of logic.

I have no idea what you are trying to prove. Smartphones adopt the technologies invented elsewhere all the time. For example, multitouch interface was not invented by Apple either, are you going to hold it against Apple? Apple is not really a tech company, they rarely invent anything.

I don’t understand what you are trying to prove either. Who copied what invention first? And by extension almost none of the smartphone manufacturers are tech companies either as they rarely invent anything only copy others inventions.

 

[falainber]

iPhone 1. Change

Also, I listed the features Android phones got before iPhones did. I did not claim Android phone vendors invented them.

A copy is still a copy using this type of logic.


I don’t understand what you are trying to prove either. Who copied what invention first? And by extension almost none of the smartphone manufacturers are tech companies either as they rarely invent anything only copy others inventions.

Well, you need to go to the first comment in this exchange. In it, I said that 6GB RAM prediction for the next iPhone model is easy to make because iPhone specs/features follow Android advancements with one/two year delay. It's impossible to argue against this claim. This very article adds another argument in favor of this claim.

 

[alphaod]

I hope this is the year they finally switch to USB-C.

So we can all buy new accessories, speakers, docks, everything Apple? Yeah, pass.

Also it's as likely as Windows being installed on Mac by default.

 

[I7guy]

A copy is still a copy using this type of logic.

Correct, but this conversation has developed into who copied who last. A copy is still a copy.

I don’t understand what you are trying to prove either. Who copied what invention first? And by extension almost none of the smartphone manufacturers are tech companies either as they rarely invent anything only copy others inventions.

Well, you need to go to the first comment in this exchange. In it, I said that 6GB RAM prediction for the next iPhone model is easy to make because iPhone specs/features follow Android advancements with one/two year delay. It's impossible to argue against this claim. This very article adds another argument in favor of this claim.

What android advancements? You mean features such as dynamic hdr in videos copied android with a one year delay? This (your) logic is off the rails as ram is ram, WiFi is WiFi. Nobody copies that. But I do seem to remember the notch was copied by android.

 

[falainber]

iPhone 1. Change

Also, I listed the features Android phones got before iPhones did. I did not claim Android phone vendors invented them.

A copy is still a copy using this type of logic.


I don’t understand what you are trying to prove either. Who copied what invention first? And by extension almost none of the smartphone manufacturers are tech companies either as they rarely invent anything only copy others inventions.
[/QUOTE]

Correct, but this conversation has developed into who copied who last. A copy is still a copy.


What android advancements? You mean features such as dynamic hdr in videos copied android with a one year delay? This (your) logic is off the rails as ram is ram, WiFi is WiFi. Nobody copies that. But I do seem to remember the notch was copied by android.

Well, notch is not a feature. It's a compromise. I already listed many features first introduced by Android vendors. I can add a few more: widgets, barometer, sensor hub (motion coprocessor), multi-window interface, multi-user support, fingerprint sensor, pen support.

 

[brucemr]

A copy is still a copy using this type of logic.


I don’t understand what you are trying to prove either. Who copied what invention first? And by extension almost none of the smartphone manufacturers are tech companies either as they rarely invent anything only copy others inventions.

Well, notch is not a feature. It's a compromise. I already listed many features first introduced by Android vendors. I can add a few more: widgets, barometer, sensor hub (motion coprocessor), multi-window interface, multi-user support, fingerprint sensor, pen support.
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Might as well add all screen, and removal of physical home button. I’ll never forget when a coworker showed me one...either LG or Samsung I think...couple years before iPhone X. No question in my mind I was looking at the future form factor of smartphones.

Go ahead and add folding phone to list also.

I have used Android years ago, but am an iPhone user for quite a few years now. I‘ve no problem with Apple being conservative in certain new hardware features. Skipping those that are gimmicks. Waiting until hardware tech is ready, when appropriate. Take the time to get it right. Improve it in some cases.

 

[I7guy]

A copy is still a copy using this type of logic.


I don’t understand what you are trying to prove either. Who copied what invention first? And by extension almost none of the smartphone manufacturers are tech companies either as they rarely invent anything only copy others inventions.
Well, notch is not a feature. It's a compromise.

As is a big forehead, chin, pop up flash etc.

I already listed many features first introduced by Android vendors. I can add a few more: widgets, barometer, sensor hub (motion coprocessor), multi-window interface, multi-user support, fingerprint sensor, pen support.

64 bit, native screen recording, sync across devices, send and receive money in message, performance control, Heif, AirPlay 2. So what?