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Batterygate??
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5.01 update works.
9 minutes usage, 9 hours 1 minute standby. Basically updated and went to bed and put iPhone in airplane mode.
Just checked percentage right now...it's at 100%.
Normally, with the same circumstances the battery would be at 98%.
oh yeah, pic...
9 minutes usage, 9 hours 1 minute standby. Basically updated and went to bed and put iPhone in airplane mode.
Just checked percentage right now...it's at 100%.
Normally, with the same circumstances the battery would be at 98%.
oh yeah, pic...
Nice!
I lose about 1% every 2 hours at night on standby. It's nice to hear that maybe I'll lose 0% at night
I lose about 1% every 2 hours at night on standby. It's nice to hear that maybe I'll lose 0% at night
Until 5.0.1 hits, here's what I've done that's helped:
1) Location Services->System Services - turned off iAds and Time Zone
2) Restrictions enabled - Ping turned off
3) About->Diagnostics - Don't Send checked
4) Bluetooth off
Pretty much everything else is on.
I push 2 iCloud accounts, 1 gmail acct, and fetch an IMAP acct (15 min).
I do less than 15 minutes worth phone calls per day, but text quite a bit.
I typically have 3 bars at my home/work, but also on WiFi most of the time.
I kill Facebook and TweetDeck apps after use.
I use Fring for IM a few times a day and leave it running.
Oh and I leave my phone on all night, but put it on vibrate.
1) Location Services->System Services - turned off iAds and Time Zone
2) Restrictions enabled - Ping turned off
3) About->Diagnostics - Don't Send checked
4) Bluetooth off
Pretty much everything else is on.
I push 2 iCloud accounts, 1 gmail acct, and fetch an IMAP acct (15 min).
I do less than 15 minutes worth phone calls per day, but text quite a bit.
I typically have 3 bars at my home/work, but also on WiFi most of the time.
I kill Facebook and TweetDeck apps after use.
I use Fring for IM a few times a day and leave it running.
Oh and I leave my phone on all night, but put it on vibrate.
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Just did alittlebit more testing. My 4S has been using about 5-10% battery per hr while standby both on 5.0 and 5.0.1.
DFU reinstalled it to 5.0 and turned on airplane mode, and off all features like location, icloud etc. and with no apps open.
While in that state it dropped ~1% over 1hr while in standby. That is within normal limits, could be a whole percentage point or could be almost nothing if the battery was almost down a point beforehand.
Then I turned off airplane mode and it dropped 2% within 15 minutes, without any use or any more features turned on.
Seems to me there is something with some phones that make them drain battery like crazy. And atleast for me it does not help turning off icloud or location services as just having cellular and wifi on = drainage.
DFU reinstalled it to 5.0 and turned on airplane mode, and off all features like location, icloud etc. and with no apps open.
While in that state it dropped ~1% over 1hr while in standby. That is within normal limits, could be a whole percentage point or could be almost nothing if the battery was almost down a point beforehand.
Then I turned off airplane mode and it dropped 2% within 15 minutes, without any use or any more features turned on.
Seems to me there is something with some phones that make them drain battery like crazy. And atleast for me it does not help turning off icloud or location services as just having cellular and wifi on = drainage.
So Apple's latest phone and software have brought more features that inherently use more battery power, and turning some of them off saves some battery life?
...Breaking news.
Please people. There is no Batterygate. Stop.
I'm not saying there are no battery issues. Apple themselves said there are, but they're unrelated to the new features and to go as far as calling it a gate is extreme.
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I can't wait for the 5.01 release... lol, you people who think it will make any difference at all.
If it does, it will be the same changes listed a thousand times over in this thread.
Plenty will think they're seeing a difference, but at the end of the day it will still be around 6.5 hours of usage.
lol @ the sheep
If it does, it will be the same changes listed a thousand times over in this thread.
Plenty will think they're seeing a difference, but at the end of the day it will still be around 6.5 hours of usage.
lol @ the sheep
I come from iPhone 1 that I've had since launch. Suffice to say I expected my new iPhone to have better batterylife even with new features.
My phone cannot even survive one day in standbymode with apps and features turned off without battery being drained. That to me indicates that there is a major problem with battery usage. If this does not affect everyone then great but according to these forums there are alot of people affected.
I do understand Apple though saying a small part of users experience problems because they can prob. only rely on their numbers (amount sold and amount of complains). Since most people whine on forums and don't send a formal complaint by their numbers it is affecting a small amount. Although the real numbers are prob. alot bigger.
True, calling it "gate" is extreme. But, some people are experiencing some serious battery problems. In my case, it wasn't that bad before turning a few things off. There's nothing wrong with trying to get a handle on what's sucking on our batteries.
The problem you're experiencing isn't like the problem everyone faced with Antennagate. That was an overwhelming problem that was extremely obvious to those effected and the controversy surrounding it was Apple's denial, not so much the problem itself.
This actually is a small amount of users who are experiencing a bug of some sort. They're fixing it. It's real, but it's small in comparison.
Again, my point is not to deny that there is a problem, but to shed light on the absurdity that this can be classified as a "gate" of any sort.
Agreed.
Your argument is the same that folks that use android phones use. Which got snickers from the iPhone crowd as having to turn everything off just to get their phone to last through the day was seen as having an inferior phone.
So you are unable to purchase a battery extender case? Quit your whining, there are solutions, you just choose to not use them.
This is with 5.0. My first 100% last 4 times longer then any of my other percents besides 99%. This picture was also taken long before it went down to 99% I just woke up took a shot of it then passed back out. I also tested it before and got 17 minutes and 1 hour 10 min standby before it went to 99, with those stats my battery would last me more then a day of usage. The 99% to 98% was about 6 mins for it to drop and then 98% and lower just kept getting worse and worse numbers per % drop. My standby has always been decent to good. When I turn on the phone it sucks after the first 100-98% drop.
I don't turn anything off while I sleep. I have to hotmail accounts both set to fetch 1 hour. I cloud everything off besides contacts and find my phone, location system services everything off besides cell network search. Bluetooth off, Wifi was in use.
I don't understand how this is a software bug. If its a software bug then it would be affecting everyone's phone because we all run the same software. It doesn't make sense that the software bugs only work with some people and a very few at that. Its obviously a bigger problem and most likely has to do with the hardware or a faulty battery. Can someone explain to me how this would be a software bug but only affects 1% of the population of users. So its just a bug that likes to choose its victims, and wont leave no matter how many times u restore the software? Makes no sense to me.
If I can rarely get 6 hours usage texting, web, and a hour of using some apps, and then someone else can get 10 hours doing the same how is that software related.
It does suck the battery when the screens on I was thinking that possibly has to do with the screen. Some people report yellower screens and some report whiter ones. Maybe that difference in screen could be sucking up the battery if you have the bad screen.
I don't turn anything off while I sleep. I have to hotmail accounts both set to fetch 1 hour. I cloud everything off besides contacts and find my phone, location system services everything off besides cell network search. Bluetooth off, Wifi was in use.
I don't understand how this is a software bug. If its a software bug then it would be affecting everyone's phone because we all run the same software. It doesn't make sense that the software bugs only work with some people and a very few at that. Its obviously a bigger problem and most likely has to do with the hardware or a faulty battery. Can someone explain to me how this would be a software bug but only affects 1% of the population of users. So its just a bug that likes to choose its victims, and wont leave no matter how many times u restore the software? Makes no sense to me.
If I can rarely get 6 hours usage texting, web, and a hour of using some apps, and then someone else can get 10 hours doing the same how is that software related.
It does suck the battery when the screens on I was thinking that possibly has to do with the screen. Some people report yellower screens and some report whiter ones. Maybe that difference in screen could be sucking up the battery if you have the bad screen.
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I understand that you don't understand, but we *don't* all run the same apps, don't use the same wifi networks, don't use the same cell towers or carriers, have different contacts and calendars, different configs for apps and notifications, etc. One article (search the web) pointed at a corrupt contact as the source of one person's problems; I guarantee you and I have different contacts lists.
Even with the same iOS on the same hardware there are so many other variables in play that it is very possible to see different behavior.
This doesn't rule out that some of the instances are due to faulty hardware. However, since (a) some people have problems on previous iphone models after upgrading to iOS5 and (b) many people with iphone 4S have no battery issues, the common element is software (whether iOS or certain apps or a combination of the two)
usage has lasted a day and a half and still at 61%
Ok I know after I post this battery will go back to before, I sure hope not.
I switched off Ping, went back to 3G only and the battery life under normal usage has lasted a day and a half and still at 61%.
It looks like I will get a full two days maybe more.
Also off:
Location services
Bluetooth off
I have noticed on so many of these post no one seems to be talking about Siri and when she, (we have a close connection her and I) is used the battery drain is big.
If we are using her a great deal that in my opinion will kill the batter very very quickly. I hope that is the case and it is just not my phone.
Ok I know after I post this battery will go back to before, I sure hope not.
I switched off Ping, went back to 3G only and the battery life under normal usage has lasted a day and a half and still at 61%.
It looks like I will get a full two days maybe more.
Also off:
Location services
Bluetooth off
I have noticed on so many of these post no one seems to be talking about Siri and when she, (we have a close connection her and I) is used the battery drain is big.
If we are using her a great deal that in my opinion will kill the batter very very quickly. I hope that is the case and it is just not my phone.
Yes. Same argument. What's your point?
I'm still saying this is the way of things. Apple in introducing more and more features we want, and the price is battery life. I don't know what's so shocking about this. The other part of this is the actual bug that's causing a small portion of 4S users, myself excluded, to have even less battery life. That's entirely different and valid and I hope they figure it out.
There's the problem of overhype. Apple insists their products are insanely great, setting up expectations that no company could actually match.
I avoid all hype and so was pleased with what Siri does. I can see limitations but realize they're trying to get it doing a few things right first and then move on to extending the feature set. I have zero complaints with Siri. Most of the people who do had expectations overly inflated by commercials. Don't believe the hype.
The battery issue many find galling simply because this is one of those things you think they would have noticed with beta-testing. We're not talking about a video game released onto the PC market that can encounter any of a thousand configurations with unexpected problems. We're talking about the people who design the hardware and the software being taken by surprise by something that's occurring right of the box.
Just as a general rule, a company should never take features away from a product. This kind of crap gets customers mad, like when features from the Basic version of software are moved to the Pro version in the next release. You also don't want to reduce performance. If you get x hours of life and use from the current model, the next model had better equal or exceed that. If you put more battery-sucking features in, you better save power from more efficient components elsewhere or put in a bigger battery. That's just basic marketing common sense.
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There are certain reasonable expectations to make with a phone. My first cell phone only needed charged a few times a week. Then again, I didn't spend hours talking on it and it had a backlit monochrone screen. There was nothing else to do but talk.
To lose power when constantly using a phone is expected and reasonable. To lose power when in standby is not. I'd accept reduced fuel efficiency when I buy a sports car but I would be pissed if the gas in the tank evaporated when it was sitting in my driveway. Getting a jerrycan for extra fuel is a kind of solution but not a good one.
I agree with you 99%. The 1% I disagree with is where this whole thing of battery life reduction comes into play.
If the iPhone 4's battery lasts (and I'm making this up for ease of conversation) 12 hours with a day's use, and the iPhone 4S' battery life lasts 11 (without this bug) then I don't see the problem.
I would see an issue if it were a bigger difference, but to demand equality or else, I think that's unreasonable when the other hand demands features. There's a balance between these hands and that's what Apple is good at finding.
Unfortunately, some phones are experiencing battery issues and people are thinking it's all because the phone sucks and Apple sucks and people should get fired, etc. etc.
Truth is, there's a bug going around that they missed. Oh well. They caught it now and it's being patched in 5.0.1. End of story. Then everyone can go on enjoying their 4S with barely less or sometimes equal battery life to the 4. Yay! Unicorns!
That's it! Time to occupy your post!
Not the case, though. And I compare the 4S performance with a several year old Touch3. Responding to emails on the 3 sucks less juice than doing the same on the 4S, especially over cellular. This makes me think there's some bug with radio usage.
I'd completely see your point if we're talking about me comparing performance of my Touch streaming music over wired phones versus using my 4S to stream from Pandora over bluetooth phones while running a GPS app tracking my bike ride. That's a lot more use right there. But what if I'm riding my bike without GPS, just wired phones listening to local content?
Apple left too much hungry stuff on right out of the box. When they're advertising their products as "just works" and you have to get into geeky fiddling to fine-tune performance, that's not "just working."
As as personal opinion, I think push notifications are something that Apple should have said no to, especially if they're such battery killers. They originally said no to anyone but them writing multitasking code because they couldn't control the battery suckage. Early jailbreakers confirmed this was a smart move because their attempts at multitasking drained power quickly and crashed the phone a lot.
I think they should remain jealous stewards of user experience and only roll out features when they're 100% perfect.
I don't think it's unreasonable. Unreasonable are the people who are complaining because the screen isn't bigger or because Apple didn't meet their fantasy expectations of what the next phone should do. I don't know how much blame Apple has to share with this. Long anticipation can create demands no product on Earth could possibly satisfy. But if that anticipation is stoked by a ridiculous level of hype, most of the blame should be laid on the company.
For myself, I get a bit peeved at unwarranted arrogance. Why was copy/paste left off the original? Who knows. I'd accept an argument that there were complexities in the code that made something seemingly simple more complicated. I could accept them saying "You know what? You're right, that was dumb. Mea culpa." What I can't accept is them saying it wasn't important and you didn't need it. That's both arrogant and stupid. And "you're holding it wrong" for Antennagate is now my absolute favorite punchline ever. There's a terrible app we use at work with a terrible UI. You can actually click on an action button, it changes to show the action but if you aren't completely centered the click won't register. So when someone asks what happened I tell them they're clicking the button wrong. They think I'm pulling their leg until I demonstrate. We then ritually curse the application and move on.
I don't have a 4 so can't tell you how it compares. Versus the touch 3, it's ridiculous. My money is on bad code keeping radios on too long but it could be something else.
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One last thing -- users aren't going to realize what's going on in the background. If my phone is sitting there, I don't expect the radio to be going crazy looking for push notifications. I expect to have a bit of additional drain versus a touch due to the cell radio being on, I expect it to poll for mail every 15 minutes but I don't expect there to be a constant flow of traffic from the phone and for the battery to be draining quickly like it was in heavy use.
To my mind, the phone should default to conservative, battery-sipping behavior and only become more hungry if the user chooses to activate those settings.
Actually I don't lose any battery overnight. I unplug my iphone 4S at 10 pm, and when I wake up it's still at 100%. And no I did not put it into airplane mode at all.
radio
yes, if you turn off the cellular RADIO, it is really just an ipod touch sitting around
Nice!
I lose about 1% every 2 hours at night on standby. It's nice to hear that maybe I'll lose 0% at night
yes, if you turn off the cellular RADIO, it is really just an ipod touch sitting around
I suffered from battery issues and all I did was disable location services for none essential apps (i.e. ones I dont use all the time). I also turned the time zone off and don't use push. Then I have completely discharged my phone and 100% charged it for every charge and now I have the battery life shown here:
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Taking the measures that I have, I don't feel like i have had to disable the phone to achieve this.
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Taking the measures that I have, I don't feel like i have had to disable the phone to achieve this.
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FWIW, I haven't ever felt the need to find a power adapter. Pretty much the only time I consider power is when I want to use GPS in the car, so I just plug it in to the cigarette adapter. For the vast majority of people, I think, battery life just isn't an issue with this phone, which is how it should be.
I personally dont get how you expected your phone to lose battery when it sat on standby for five hours. Like.. I understand trying to match your phones to others.. but if everyone sat their iphones in a corner of the room/desk for five hours, and only touched it for 5 minutes... I'm sure we'd all be in the 100-90% range.
I need someone to actually show TRUE use of their phone. Because I keep seeing people with these "21 hour, 1 day" of standby, but only touched the phone for an hour. That's great that you do... But... some of us dont just carry the phone for cosmetic purposes.
No offense to you
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Oh.. And push notifications.. Turned OFF. Facebook being the one that updated every minute, which was the equivalent to the 1% I was losing everytime I turned the screen on and whatnot.