Batterygate??

[5H3PH3RD]

Hi,

I have been through maybe 5-10 cycles, sorry I can't be more specific I haven't been keeping count

I am running 5.0

As for usage, I'd say 50% Wi-Fi, 20% 3G calls, 20% iPod and 10% Phone is on 3G. These are of course very rough guesstimates.

As for settings:

- In Wi-Fi I disabled "Ask to join networks"
- In notifications I removed apps that I don't want to hear from but still left loads in.
- In location services I disabled the apps I don't use to much and left those that I do in. In the system services section of location services I disabled "Diagnostics and Usage", "Location Based i-Ads", "Setting Time Zone" and "Traffic".
- Screen brightness I have at about 25-30% with auto-brightness on
- iCloud all options on
- E-mail all accounts set to Fetch New Data off - it gets my mail when i open mail.app
- Bluetooth off

So as you can see, unlike others I really haven't had to handicap my phone and I have gone from having a phone that I was considering taking back to one thats working great (touch wood).

Another thing I do religiously, I always ensure I close all the open apps in the task bar. Thats just a personal preference but maybe that is helping? I don't find that it hinders getting push notifications from any apps so I see no need for them to be running.

Thank you for posting something that gives me hope

If you could please elaborate on a few things, how many charge cycles have you gone through to see these changes? Are you running 5.0.1 or 5.0?

What kind of usage would you say dominate those ~8 hrs of usage? Would love an overview like: 10% of the time it's surfing on wifi, 10% of the time it's surfing on 3g, 30% ipod etc.


I am running 5.0.1 and my usage is very light (some wifi surfing, mostly ipod or checking settings/viewing pictures etc. And I have yet to get a better result than ~2hrs use and 18hrs standby.

Just did my second full charge cycle (waited untill phone was dead then charge to 100% in one go) and after 37minutes usage (browsing pictures and settings) and 2hrs standby I've lost 10% battery allready.

 

[isoft7]

i tested both the 4S and 4 side-by side running 5.0 and there is a huge difference in battery life you moron. Stop trying to show that there isnt an issue when there clearly is a major one.

"major"

lol... hardly. Problem? Perhaps... major? Not at all. Is it even something they can fix? Doubt it. It's called evolution.

Try running a copy of Windows 7 on a 486.

 

[Texxy]

At least apple is working fast, 5.0.2 beta out now for devs

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1269957/

 

[soco]

i tested both the 4S and 4 side-by side running 5.0 and there is a huge difference in battery life you moron. Stop trying to show that there isnt an issue when there clearly is a major one.

Moron? First of all, right quick way to get a warning around here.

Second, he's right. Adding "gate" to things is absurd these days. Do you even know what it means? You'll understand why people like me cringe every time this gets tossed around.

Read.

The suffix is used to embellish a noun or name to suggest the existence of a far-reaching scandal, particularly in politics and government. As a CBC News Online column noted in 2001, the term may "suggest unethical behaviour and a cover-up".

In other words, stop it already.

 

[superdudeo]

"major"

lol... hardly. Problem? Perhaps... major? Not at all. Is it even something they can fix? Doubt it. It's called evolution.

Try running a copy of Windows 7 on a 486.

Well if it is evolution then why can't Apple evolve their battery life stats for the 4s instead of misleading us? That is the real issue, they've made out that usage consumption is comparable to the 4 and it's really not.

 

[isoft7]

Virgins on the internet who still live at home with mom worked up over trivial issues when billions of people are living in squalor-gate!!!

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Well if it is evolution then why can't Apple evolve their battery life stats for the 4s instead of misleading us? That is the real issue, they've made out that usage consumption is comparable to the 4 and it's really not.

The evolution is processing power... the A5 is two A4 processors connected together. It's pretty remarkable. When you take into account just how much power is in this little thing, the difference in battery life between the iPhone 4 and the iPhone 4s is actually fairly remarkable.

I've been able to achieve their advertised specs, so I can't call them liars, but they certainly did bend truth a bit... just as all corporations do. They want money, greed trumps morals.

 

[superdudeo]

Virgins on the internet who still live at home with mom worked up over trivial issues when billions of people are living in squalor-gate!!!

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The evolution is processing power... the A5 is two A4 processors connected together. It's pretty remarkable. When you take into account just how much power is in this little thing, the difference in battery life between the iPhone 4 and the iPhone 4s is actually fairly remarkable.

I've been able to achieve their advertised specs, so I can't call them liars, but they certainly did bend truth a bit... just as all corporations do. They want money, greed trumps morals.

Yeah, I think we are all aware that the A5 is more demanding. So reflect that in their advertised life spans.

 

[dhy8386]

Moron? First of all, right quick way to get a warning around here.

Second, he's right. Adding "gate" to things is absurd these days. Do you even know what it means? You'll understand why people like me cringe every time this gets tossed around.

Read.



In other words, stop it already.

Amen on this post. Guess thats why you are a demi-god

 

[Fesan]

Hi,

I have been through maybe 5-10 cycles, sorry I can't be more specific I haven't been keeping count

I am running 5.0

As for usage, I'd say 50% Wi-Fi, 20% 3G calls, 20% iPod and 10% Phone is on 3G. These are of course very rough guesstimates.

As for settings:

- In Wi-Fi I disabled "Ask to join networks"
- In notifications I removed apps that I don't want to hear from but still left loads in.
- In location services I disabled the apps I don't use to much and left those that I do in. In the system services section of location services I disabled "Diagnostics and Usage", "Location Based i-Ads", "Setting Time Zone" and "Traffic".
- Screen brightness I have at about 25-30% with auto-brightness on
- iCloud all options on
- E-mail all accounts set to Fetch New Data off - it gets my mail when i open mail.app
- Bluetooth off

So as you can see, unlike others I really haven't had to handicap my phone and I have gone from having a phone that I was considering taking back to one thats working great (touch wood).

Another thing I do religiously, I always ensure I close all the open apps in the task bar. Thats just a personal preference but maybe that is helping? I don't find that it hinders getting push notifications from any apps so I see no need for them to be running.

Thank you agian for a detailed reply! Will try your settings alongside the new 5.0.1 v2 patch and see where it gets me

 

[dhy8386]

Yeah, I think we are all aware that the A5 is more demanding. So reflect that in their advertised life spans.

Really? So if they showed slightly worse battery life in the new phone specs but all these improvements, you would be happy? Come on. Its an industry problem. battery technology has not advanced significantly in years and certainly not at the pace of all these technological advancements that are getting put into phones. Only a bigger battery is going to make a meaningful difference.

 

[Fesan]

Amen on this post. Guess thats why you are a demi-god

[joking mode on]

Calling people demi-god is so absurd these days, do people even know what they are talking about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demigod

Demi-god, the new gate!

[joking mode off]

Yeah, gate has maybe become too much of a saying these days.

 

[dhy8386]

Thank you agian for a detailed reply! Will try your settings alongside the new 5.0.1 v2 patch and see where it gets me

Hey FYI, do an OTA update. The download and install was problematic. For me anyway.

And you do realize I was referring to his macrumors status right? And there was sarcasm in my voice/post? No offense but that was very "dickish" of you considering i have been trying to be helpful in this thread.

 

[Fesan]

Really? So if they showed slightly worse battery life in the new phone specs but all these improvements, you would be happy? Come on. Its an industry problem. battery technology has not advanced significantly in years and certainly not at the pace of all these technological advancements that are getting put into phones. Only a bigger battery is going to make a meaningful difference.

1) I think you're wrong there, Apple for instance have made both software and hardware improvements to the parts USING the battery that has greatly improved the lifespan of devices, like the battery-manager-thingy they put into the iPhone 4. Sure batteries can't hold alot more and ther ehave been no breakthroughs there but there have been improvements that have given us more out of the batteries.

2) Some people (including myself) have phones that can't even live for a day in standbymode with lots of features turned off. I am sure most people can agree that is not intended. There are people seeing slightly worse than the 4 but many are seing maybe 10% of the lifespan of a 4 or advertised expectancy. I am sure that Apple did not intend for users to have to charge their phones two times a day just to keep it in standby mode.

Really there seems to be two groups, those seeing slightly lower battery life, could be from more use/faster CPU and could be from a small bug draining it faster. Then there are those with a broken device. Some people seem to deny there is a real problem for some people based on those complaining about slightly smaller lifespan than the 4.

 

[superdudeo]

Really? So if they showed slightly worse battery life in the new phone specs but all these improvements, you would be happy? Come on. Its an industry problem. battery technology has not advanced significantly in years and certainly not at the pace of all these technological advancements that are getting put into phones. Only a bigger battery is going to make a meaningful difference.

Yes of course I would be happy because I could then make an informed decision and not purchase it believing I would get a similar lifespan to the 4. There wouldn't be issues (batterygate) if they had quoted correct figures. Simple.

 

[Fesan]

Hey FYI, do an OTA update. The download and install was problematic. For me anyway.

And you do realize I was referring to his macrumors status right? And there was sarcasm in my voice/post? No offense but that was very "dickish" of you considering i have been trying to be helpful in this thread.

Wow, hey, ho... I was joking aswell Thought it would be funny to fake a rant using the same format and even put on irony markers to make it clear it was a joke!

Thanks for being helpfull, did not mean to be negative, just trying to crack a joke

Oh, and thanks for the OTA tip

 

[5H3PH3RD]

Your welcome, try ensuring all apps are closed and not running in the background. I was new to this feature having been stuck with a 3G so at first i was leaving apps running. Maybe this was the single biggest contributor to getting my battery life to be good!?

Thank you agian for a detailed reply! Will try your settings alongside the new 5.0.1 v2 patch and see where it gets me

 

[Fesan]

Your welcome, try ensuring all apps are closed and not running in the background. I was new to this feature having been stuck with a 3G so at first i was leaving apps running. Maybe this was the single biggest contributor to getting my battery life to be good!?

Thanks for that tip aswell, have tried both with a few apps open and no apps open. Does not seem to make a whole lot of difference so far, maybe drained 9% an hour in standby instead of 10%

Maybe I'll see a bigger difference with this new patch with apps open/closed.

 

[Reach9]

Can anyone with an iPhone 4S who is running Beta 2 confirm if the battery life is better?

 

[sd13]

Moron? First of all, right quick way to get a warning around here.

Second, he's right. Adding "gate" to things is absurd these days. Do you even know what it means? You'll understand why people like me cringe every time this gets tossed around.

Read.



In other words, stop it already.

Batterygate is the title of this thread, isnt it? I come to this thread to report my findings that clearly show that the battery issue doesnt stem from the software but from hardware.

 

[5H3PH3RD]

I wish you luck. The only things I have done since making those settings changes (when i have seen this improvement) is cycling the battery and ensuring all apps are up to date and ensuring all apps are closed.

I know there are a million and one software installation derivatives out there amongst all the users but I am confused as to how this is an iOS5 issues when people are setting all their settings identically on freshly installed units. Some have the issues some don't.... which lends itself to hardware not software. I guess time will tell.

Thanks for that tip aswell, have tried both with a few apps open and no apps open. Does not seem to make a whole lot of difference so far, maybe drained 9% an hour in standby instead of 10%

Maybe I'll see a bigger difference with this new patch with apps open/closed.

 

[Fesan]

Can anyone with an iPhone 4S who is running Beta 2 confirm if the battery life is better?

I am installing it as we speak, I've had major battery problems and tried most fixes before this patch (have run 5.0.1 v1 for a day with almost no improvement). I had about 18hrs standby and 2hrs use last cycle, will inform you about my experiences with 5.0.1 v2 when I've used it for a few hrs.

 

[dhy8386]

1) I think you're wrong there, Apple for instance have made both software and hardware improvements to the parts USING the battery that has greatly improved the lifespan of devices, like the battery-manager-thingy they put into the iPhone 4. Sure batteries can't hold alot more and ther ehave been no breakthroughs there but there have been improvements that have given us more out of the batteries.

1) I have no sense of humor so clearly overreacted to your post
2) Yes. All the OS companies continue to refine their software to improve battery life. And component suppliers are always working on improved power consumption. But if you look at the studies, the three biggest draws of power on a phone are screen, cellular module, and cpu. The software that interfaces to these is always being refined as are the components themselves but fact is they are just power hungry beasts. I think that is why the rumors of Apple investing in OLED technology make sense because there is an opportunity to have a meaningful impact on battery here. But overall, we will not really ever see a major increase in battery until the technology advances. I think what we have today is as good as it gets. Of course this does not help you as you have other battery related issues but just making my point.

Also, do what you want with your settings but leaving Bluetooth on and not connected draws almost no power. Frankly would not be surprised if turning it off and on a few times a day uses more power. As for location settings, i do turn off all apps i never want to use my location. But if you open an app once a day and you do want it to use your location, leaving it on has no impact on battery (of course not accounting for software bugs in the app). I mention only because not worth the inconvenience. Lastly, do you have the location arrow set to always show, even for the advanced menu? This is an easy way to diagnose location based consumption issues.

 

[Fesan]

1) I have no sense of humor so clearly overreacted to your post
2) Yes. All the OS companies continue to refine their software to improve battery life. And component suppliers are always working on improved power consumption. But if you look at the studies, the three biggest draws of power on a phone are screen, cellular module, and cpu. The software that interfaces to these is always being refined as are the components themselves but fact is they are just power hungry beasts. I think that is why the rumors of Apple investing in OLED technology make sense because there is an opportunity to have a meaningful impact on battery here. But overall, we will not really ever see a major increase in battery until the technology advances. I think what we have today is as good as it gets. Of course this does not help you as you have other battery related issues but just making my point.

Also, do what you want with your settings but leaving Bluetooth on and not connected draws almost no power. Frankly would not be surprised if turning it off and on a few times a day uses more power. As for location settings, i do turn off all apps i never want to use my location. But if you open an app once a day and you do want it to use your location, leaving it on has no impact on battery (of course not accounting for software bugs in the app). I mention only because not worth the inconvenience. Lastly, do you have the location arrow set to always show, even for the advanced menu? This is an easy way to diagnose location based consumption issues.

Yeah, I know all this but thanks for taking the time anyways

Reason I have chosen to try all these things out is because of potential bugs that might lie in some of these settings.

Only visible possible bug I've seen on my phone is from the timezone thing that makes the purple arrow constantly appear. But alass it made no difference Basicly I am trying what I can to make the phone usable untill I either get a replacement or a fix that fixes things comes from Apple.

Quick update on my experience with Beta v2 for those interested:

I've had v2 of the beta installed for about 10-15 minutes and in that time I've gone over some settings and looked at a few photos, updated the twitter app and spent a few mins in the gmail app.

That cost me 3% battery life. You be the judge of whether that is acceptable or not.

My phone is set up this way:

Bluetooth off
Notifications: Weather, phone, messages, reminders, mail, calendar.
Locations: iAds, time zone and traffic turned OFF, rest on.
iCloud: All on except mail, manual on mail and rest on push
Brightness: littlebit lower than standard and autoadjust on
Diagnostiscs: Don't send

During that time I received no updates by push, no notifications went off and all data traffic over wifi.


Now I'd like to add that I've only had two full charges on this phone so the battery calibration is prob. somewhat off. I'd also like to add that I had horrible batt. life out of the box and never seen better than 18hrs standby with 2hrs use so patch might help others even if it does not help me.

 

[Hudzilla]

Would you mind telling me what is your brightness settings?
I have turned off time zone location and iaids, restrictions on with ping off, wifi and BT- off, what else can I do to extend this battery usage a bit?

I get about 7-7:30 hrs useage. iCloud off, only a couple location services enabled, all location advanced setting like location based iAds, setting time zone off. Brightness at about 25-30%

 

[Seamaster]

Really there seems to be two groups, those seeing slightly lower battery life, could be from more use/faster CPU and could be from a small bug draining it faster. Then there are those with a broken device. Some people seem to deny there is a real problem for some people based on those complaining about slightly smaller lifespan than the 4.

Three groups. You forgot those of us who are having no problems with our 4S.