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iPhone 14/Plus Be Careful, normal people are buying the iPhone 14 Plus and liking it
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$200 for promotion is worth it.
$200 for a
$200 is nothing when you’re already financing 36 months.
It’s exactly what apple have done to have have a win win situation… the decoy effect.
With the iPhone line up it’s priced up in such a way that the normal people will consider it decent for the price, but those tech heads know that for a bit more your better off going with the pro.
Apple have pretty much done the same with other line ups… the 10th Gen iPad isn’t too far off the price of an iPad Air, however it’s just cheap enough where normal people will buy it.
Also how the MacBook line up has panned out, the M2 Air is priced in a way where one single upgrade whether it be the SSD or the RAM will drive you very close to the price of a MacBook Pro (especially now that is heavily discounted in the vast majority of retailers).
It’s all released and priced where it will satisfy the majority but us tech heads will likely upgrade, it’s a win win for apple, I can guarantee by this time next year the 14 Plus will end up being a good selling iPhone for Apple.
With the iPhone line up it’s priced up in such a way that the normal people will consider it decent for the price, but those tech heads know that for a bit more your better off going with the pro.
Apple have pretty much done the same with other line ups… the 10th Gen iPad isn’t too far off the price of an iPad Air, however it’s just cheap enough where normal people will buy it.
Also how the MacBook line up has panned out, the M2 Air is priced in a way where one single upgrade whether it be the SSD or the RAM will drive you very close to the price of a MacBook Pro (especially now that is heavily discounted in the vast majority of retailers).
It’s all released and priced where it will satisfy the majority but us tech heads will likely upgrade, it’s a win win for apple, I can guarantee by this time next year the 14 Plus will end up being a good selling iPhone for Apple.
Not sure why there is still this myth that "normal people don't care or buy the Pro". It's not a niche product.
Maybe outside the US there's less demand cause of the pricing discrepancies, that is the case for some, but here in the US many "normal people" are purchasing the iPhone 14 Pro models (especially the 14 Pro Max) and the demand is exceeding supply:
iPhone 14 Pro demand greatly exceeded Apple's expectations
iPhone 14 Pro demand was much higher than Apple expected, according to Trendforce data. It says that the company’s orders...
9to5mac.com
Also, the 14 Plus isn't reviewing poorly overall. It actually is reviewing well. If you look at The Verge or Men's Health, so you may need to
look outside YT to see that (where unfortunately some -- Not all -- reviewers copy or mirror each other's thoughts).
The Men's Health reviewer actually finds the 14 Plus "has the best value overall" (not that I agree with him since I think it depends, I prefer ProMotion and the better camera system, but that's a very positive take there in contrast with what some believe).
We Tested the iPhone 14 Plus. Here Are 4 Reasons We Love the Massive Smartphone.
A big screen, a bigger battery—this could be the iPhone with the best overall value for you.
The 14 Pro is a fantastic phone and to say otherwise is frankly silly. Did I buy a 14 PM? Sure did. Because I want the latest and greatest. I was fully considering the 14+ but got sucked in by the dynamic island and the offering of a true black stainless steel phone for the first time in years.
But my senior parents? They love their 14 Pluses after upgrading from their - guess what - regular ol' 12s.
OP is correct. Although this is a very active and successful forum, this forum represents a on overwhelming minority of fans, power users, etc who want/need to buy the best that Apple has to offer.
I'm sure there are many people who are excited about the prospect of finally being able to buy a large-screened phone from Apple without having to pay for the premium features that they don't need...the type of people who don't buy on launch day, keep their phones until the die, etc. Expect the popularity to increase as those who buy off-cycle are needing to upgrade.
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But my senior parents? They love their 14 Pluses after upgrading from their - guess what - regular ol' 12s.
OP is correct. Although this is a very active and successful forum, this forum represents a on overwhelming minority of fans, power users, etc who want/need to buy the best that Apple has to offer.
I'm sure there are many people who are excited about the prospect of finally being able to buy a large-screened phone from Apple without having to pay for the premium features that they don't need...the type of people who don't buy on launch day, keep their phones until the die, etc. Expect the popularity to increase as those who buy off-cycle are needing to upgrade.
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It think the mistake people here are making when saying ‘for only $200 (£250) more’, is that the 14 Plus is likely at the very top of many people’s budget. They don’t want to spend £1200+ on a mobile phone and the 14 Plus likely suits the needs with the bigger screen and sub £1k price tag.
Back in September when I upgraded I could have spent £250 more for the 14 Pro Max, but the 13 Pro Max for me offered everything I wanted and at a price I thought was sensible. Others like the 14 Plus and it’s an iPhone, so the user experience is going to be very similar to a 14 Pro Max anyway.
Back in September when I upgraded I could have spent £250 more for the 14 Pro Max, but the 13 Pro Max for me offered everything I wanted and at a price I thought was sensible. Others like the 14 Plus and it’s an iPhone, so the user experience is going to be very similar to a 14 Pro Max anyway.
Two take aways I've seen:
[14 Plus] " Its sources say two suppliers for the model were told to lower production by 70% and 90%, respectively.Its sources say two suppliers for the model were told to lower production by 70% and 90%, respectively."
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"Capping things off, influential Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo wrote on his blog, that sales of the iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Plus are “bad,” concluding: “Apple's product segmentation strategy for standard models fails this year."
www.forbes.com
Nonetheless, the 14 Plus is actually reviewing very well with some sources (as I mentioned, Verge and Men's Health in particular). Sales figures though tell a different story as to what people are purchasing, at least as of now.
[14 Plus] " Its sources say two suppliers for the model were told to lower production by 70% and 90%, respectively.Its sources say two suppliers for the model were told to lower production by 70% and 90%, respectively."
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"Capping things off, influential Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo wrote on his blog, that sales of the iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Plus are “bad,” concluding: “Apple's product segmentation strategy for standard models fails this year."
Why Apple’s iPhone 14, iPhone 14 Plus Are Failing
Apple looks to have gotten its iPhone 14 strategy very wrong...
www.forbes.com
Nonetheless, the 14 Plus is actually reviewing very well with some sources (as I mentioned, Verge and Men's Health in particular). Sales figures though tell a different story as to what people are purchasing, at least as of now.
Yeah, I think it can really depend. The 14 Plus reviews well and overall Im sure is still a great iPhone. The comical thing is the user experience for some here was actually better with the 14 Plus than the 14 Pro Max due to the weight differential. The 14 Plus actually weighs just slightly less than the 13 or 14 Pro even lol.
Not everyone wants a ginormous honkin lens assembly on the back of their phone (looking at you 14PM).
For those who don’t care squat about more and more and more camera gadgetry - the Plus is actually a BETTER iPhone than the bloated PM and actually should cost MORE
For those who don’t care squat about more and more and more camera gadgetry - the Plus is actually a BETTER iPhone than the bloated PM and actually should cost MORE
That’s the problem though, the 14 Plus is not selling well at all, according to some articles it has even a lower demand than the 13 mini that it was brought in to replace in order to supposedly get more sales
Okay, let's pretend that the iPhone 14 Plus is a minivan and the iPhone 14 Pro Max is a more expensive SUV with more features. It doesn't necessarily mean that everyone should increase their budget and get that more expensive car. It depends on your needs and wheter the extra features have value to you (not someone else).
The same when choosing an iPhone. People argue that the iPhone 13 Pro Max or iPhone 14 Pro Max has more features and therefore offers more value. But if the person simply doesn't need those features, there is no added value for that spesific person, why would they pay more?
For example, I wouldn't buy that more expensive model because I don't need those features. Instead, the lighter weight and smaller camera bump of the iPhone 14 Plus model is are features that add value to me. I don't take much pictures, I just need a big screen for basic everyday stuff (messages, email, browsing, occasional YouTube video). The type of screen is also a plus for me, because it is a safe choice and there is no risk of eye fatigue.
In summary, if a feature offers added value to you, it doesn't automatically mean that it offers added value to others. Similarly, if a feature doesn't offer added value for you, it doesn't necessarily mean that it can't offer added value for others.
The same when choosing an iPhone. People argue that the iPhone 13 Pro Max or iPhone 14 Pro Max has more features and therefore offers more value. But if the person simply doesn't need those features, there is no added value for that spesific person, why would they pay more?
For example, I wouldn't buy that more expensive model because I don't need those features. Instead, the lighter weight and smaller camera bump of the iPhone 14 Plus model is are features that add value to me. I don't take much pictures, I just need a big screen for basic everyday stuff (messages, email, browsing, occasional YouTube video). The type of screen is also a plus for me, because it is a safe choice and there is no risk of eye fatigue.
In summary, if a feature offers added value to you, it doesn't automatically mean that it offers added value to others. Similarly, if a feature doesn't offer added value for you, it doesn't necessarily mean that it can't offer added value for others.
We just want you to spend your money wisely. Getting a 14 plus is not a wise choice.
I agree that the 14 Plus will end up selling very well in its home market the US since its main draw is the largest iPhone for less than $1000. That alone will attract many regular people who want the largest iPhone for their money but balk at the $1100 price of the Pro Max. 3 digits vs 4 digits prices already set the 14 Plus at a price advantage.Not sure why there is still this myth that "normal people don't care or buy the Pro". It's not a niche product.
Maybe outside the US there's less demand cause of the pricing discrepancies, that is the case for some, but here in the US many "normal people" are purchasing the iPhone 14 Pro models (especially the 14 Pro Max) and the demand is exceeding supply:
iPhone 14 Pro demand greatly exceeded Apple's expectations
iPhone 14 Pro demand was much higher than Apple expected, according to Trendforce data. It says that the company’s orders...
Also, the 14 Plus isn't reviewing poorly overall. It actually is reviewing well. If you look at The Verge or Men's Health, so you may need to
look outside YT to see that (where unfortunately some -- Not all -- reviewers copy or mirror each other's thoughts).
The Men's Health reviewer actually finds the 14 Plus "has the best value overall" (not that I agree with him since I think it depends, I prefer ProMotion and the better camera system, but that's a very positive take there in contrast with what some believe).
We Tested the iPhone 14 Plus. Here Are 4 Reasons We Love the Massive Smartphone.
A big screen, a bigger battery—this could be the iPhone with the best overall value for you.www.menshealth.com
However, it doesn't happen outside the US where the 14 Plus is already priced at more than $1000 (eg its base model is $1200 in my country). Now you are seeing two phones that are already more than $1000. One looks like the older phone with 2 camera holes, the other one looks newer (dynamic island) and have 3 camera holes. People will simply think might as well get the Pro/Pro Max since they're already spending more than $1000. No clear price advantage anymore for the Plus. All this thanks to Apple's greed (the same company that priced the 2022 SE higher than the iPhone 11 in my country).
Today another one of my coworkers just bought an 14 plus. I said to her “you bought a new phone”, she responded “I think it’s the 14 pro. I thought it was funny she didn’t even know which iPhone she just bought.
normal people are defining who is the most sold iphone...so if normal users will buy the 14 plus we will see later who will be the most sold iphone
It’s the same where I work too, most don’t have a clue about iPhone names. I use a 13 Pro Max and have been asked several times if it’s ‘the new iPhone’. A lot the people there are using XR’s and iPhone 11’s and the age range is 28-55.
It really doesn't matter whether folks think it is a Pro or Plus I do know that for wife and me neither one of us will be going to the larger sizes available. The main reason is the fact I have rather small hands and regular size of the iPhone 14 Pro fits my hands better and I can do most function with a single hand.
For my wife she is tiny and when I was at the cell carriers store buying my 14 Pro my wife was looking long at and hard at the various different phones on display and she spotted the 13 mini. It fit her thing of single handed operation just like her 2nd generation SE. I did pick up a 13 mini later for the wife
I actually think that the largest problem with the iPhone 14 Plus is was the actual delay in its introduction from when the other phones were released. I am thinking folks on the 2-3 replacement cycle are just not ready for the phone and the actual pricing of the regular iPhones 14s are also hitting the upper limit of folks are willing to pay. If the entire line up is by $100.00 lower to give a really clear defined pricing gap between the regular and pro series phone the regular series iPhones would be flying out of the various outlets. After all the internals of the iPhone 14's are just iPhone 13 internals that have been polished a little.
For my wife she is tiny and when I was at the cell carriers store buying my 14 Pro my wife was looking long at and hard at the various different phones on display and she spotted the 13 mini. It fit her thing of single handed operation just like her 2nd generation SE. I did pick up a 13 mini later for the wife
I actually think that the largest problem with the iPhone 14 Plus is was the actual delay in its introduction from when the other phones were released. I am thinking folks on the 2-3 replacement cycle are just not ready for the phone and the actual pricing of the regular iPhones 14s are also hitting the upper limit of folks are willing to pay. If the entire line up is by $100.00 lower to give a really clear defined pricing gap between the regular and pro series phone the regular series iPhones would be flying out of the various outlets. After all the internals of the iPhone 14's are just iPhone 13 internals that have been polished a little.
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In the end, that's how some lay consumers would think. Before this, all they know is the largest iPhone is the Pro Max. Since Apple had done this for 3 years (11, 12, and 13), it's not surprising some consumers will associate the larger screen with the Pro name. Now they see another large iPhone. Oh lo and behold, it's even cheaper! "Wow, a Pro iPhone for less than $1000? I'm buying one!"
The mere existence of these conversations only serves to demonstrate that the iPhone as a singular product has lost its focus and slowly been turned into a scattered range of models. In terms of the product retaining the seminal x-factor that made it so special in 2007, there should be only be two iPhones in 2022 - a big one and a small one.
The End.
The End.
Ideally, yes. But once you reach a certain point, you do need to have a more diverse product lineup to increase growth. But you have a point.
The problem is Apple's greed that complicate their own lineup. Imo instead of a Pro and non-Pro lineup, there should be just a Max, Regular, and a mini iPhone (aka the current pro iPhone, and maybe a mini version without third camera). And every year, simply slide them down a notch in the price point, just like pre-iPhone-X days. It's simpler. Want the latest and greatest, there's one model, simply pick your size. Want to save money, buy last year's model, and same thing, pick your size.
But simpler lineup would decrease opportunity of upselling, which is what Tim Apple is all about. When you instill confusion into the lineup, you can easily nudge them to just get the higher model for "a bit more." I mean look at the Macbook lineup. Before, it was simple, Macbook for consumer, Macbook Pro for pros. Now, there's the old Macbook Air alongside the new one, and there's the 13" Macbook Pro that just doesn't fit anywhere alongside the 14-16" Macbook Pros.
Apple iPhone 14 Plus (203 g)
I already hate it, based on weight alone. But I'm not ordinary people. My phone is not my main computing device.
I already hate it, based on weight alone. But I'm not ordinary people. My phone is not my main computing device.