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Being totally objective here on AW vs Garmin...
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Why? It's reading from Apple Health which got it's data from the sensor of the watch, which is the best wrist-based sensor overall. So what do you mean with inaccurate in detail?
Apple takes HRV readings 2 or 3 times a night. Garmin takes readings all night and uses the average. Garmin also uses a lot of other metrics to give a "recovery" score. Athlytic only uses that 2 time HRV and maybe sleep in their algorithm. Goggle how HRV works.
Got you. Yes - that's right. But you have to chance to change the setting bei turning on/off Afib settings within watch.
And if I regard those measures with HealthFit App overall I can see, that it totally makes sense only to record HRV while sleeping, as most of other measurements are 'broken' because of lags within measurements.
Don't know, if Garmin is doing it right?
So it's about having many (wrong) measurements vs. few (mostly right) measurements... Don't know what is better?!
Really?
Interesting, got a link?
Found it, I haven’t been excited for a Apple update in a loooong time, nice!
Introducing watchOS 10, a milestone update for Apple Watch
Apple previewed watchOS 10, bringing Apple Watch users redesigned apps, a new Smart Stack to show relevant widgets when needed, and new watch faces.
www.apple.com
I had a fib, turned on, and I still found it inacurrate. don’t know which is better honestly
You should care. Because if garmin is struggling they have to reduce their invest. At the end the customer will notice that.
Those metrics on the garmin Fenix 7:
A few options:
1. I feel bad and garmin is telling me I feel good: I will not run
2. I feel bad and garmin is telling me I am feeling bad. Cool. Nonsense : I will not run
3. I feel good and garmin is telling me I am feeling good: I will go out running
4. I feel good and garmin is telling me that I am feeling bad: Crappy software (happens very often)
In the end: Nothing more than a toy
But for such a crap I would lose to have the possibility to leave my phone at home. Have the best smartwatch on my wrist. Can pay with my watch. Can STREAM music. Can have a real call. Can answer questions… endless
A few options:
1. I feel bad and garmin is telling me I feel good: I will not run
2. I feel bad and garmin is telling me I am feeling bad. Cool. Nonsense : I will not run
3. I feel good and garmin is telling me I am feeling good: I will go out running
4. I feel good and garmin is telling me that I am feeling bad: Crappy software (happens very often)
In the end: Nothing more than a toy
But for such a crap I would lose to have the possibility to leave my phone at home. Have the best smartwatch on my wrist. Can pay with my watch. Can STREAM music. Can have a real call. Can answer questions… endless
The values from garmin are flattened and wrong. The values in the Apple Watch are way more accurate because of the better sensors. Btw: their have to measure that often because the values are crap. Same for the daily heart rate measurements. It’s an average of many readings. You can get the feeling that’s it’s accurate. It’s not. Because of that technique you will loose the spikes completely. That’s what you can see at all Garmins.
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Yes or you can use the intelligence IQ store. IQ. 😂😂😂 There you can pay by strange methods for e.g PayPal to get a code you can use for your watch to pay for a new app. Very IQ 😂.
So you prefer Apple Watch data. But do you turn on afib or not?
Are you using any additional apps?
You’re talking about the future. I don’t know the future.
Garmin has shown great support for their devices. I could still use my old Vivosport.
BUT if Garmin falls behind other vendors, I will buy whatever is best at that point. I am not married to Garmin - I look at everyone’s products. There’s the Suunto Vertical Ti - cool product and has the off-line maps. Coros Vertix 2 is also interesting but I think is a little bit worse than the Epix 2. Polar also has some good stuff, the Ignite 3 Ti looks fabulous but I don‘t want to give up the maps although their tracking is top notch.
Plenty of good choices out there. Not the Apple Watch though, Ultra or girly version. Not for me, I don’t appreciate anything it does because I just don’t need it, I think it’s an unnecessary device. What I want from my smartwatch are things that it cannot do, like a week+ battery life, easy integration with other devices such as chest straps, good offline navigation without baby-ing it constantly with a phone, a cool design, one nice watch face, and a round screen.
And I don’t want the awful Apple Health or to pay for and have to manage a menagerie of different apps for different things.
Not really true about the processor each time they have come out with a watch it gets updated. Yes not a whole new version but still not the same.
Also compare how scrolling works on Garmin to Apple Watch. Garmin is terrible so laggy.
You are not getting the apps Garmin offers you for free. You pay it through your device price.
I never said that. What I objected to was Apple Health, which I don't think is a good app, and the idea of supplementing the obvious deficiencies of Apple Watches in the fitness/mapping area with a patchwork of different applications that I must pay for and experiment with.
With Garmin - and not only, other vendors have it too - you get all you need with the watch and I personally found no need for something else. You get one core application that's well designed and easy to use - for me at least - to manage the health and fitness data.
I find Connect really good, it tracks not only the fitness and sleep stuff, but it integrates devices such as the smart scales and the blood pressure monitor.
Then they have Explore for map-specific stuff, like when I import a route from one of the many apps available where I live for hiking, and load it in the watch. This is really seamless.
The software experience is very good with Garmin. Being a software engineer myself, I appreciate what they did.
I know the watch isn't packing a 12-core Xeon with 128Gb of RAM under the hood, like presumably the Apple Watch, it won't stream your security camera video feed, show your boarding pass, or turn on your lights, but I don't need it to do any of that because I'll do it with my phone, which is far more convenient for all those tasks.
The watch is speedy enough for what I need it to do, which is track my sleep, my workouts, do navigation with map display and show notifications, and the battery life ensures that I can use it without worrying or even thinking much about it. It's just there and it's ready, and happy with a Sunday afternoon charge.
Garmin is a sports watch v Apple Watch is a smart watch ….two different main function with a crossover subset ie garmin sports with some smart function and Apple Watch smart with some sports functions …… take you pick which is a priority for you or be a nerd and wear both 😂
Good post overall. Thx for that... Concerning your Garmin - which one do you use? Epix?
First, I am happy that you are satisfied with your watch and its ecosystem. No cynicism.
And I also agree that the Apple Health app is not good. It is truly an awful app. But I like the idea of having an open data store that captures all health data and keeps it private.
Also, I was a Garmin owner and I was not happy with the apps Garmin provided. And also, I was not happy with the platform Garmin provided (Garmin IQ apps) to allow 3rd party vendors to implement apps. For me the provided apps were not "all I needed".
Additionally, I was not satisfied with the software quality Garmin delivered. And one big reason: I was terribly unhappy with the way they treated back porting of features. So in case you were interested in new features, you always had to buy the latest watch, no matter if there is really a technical reason or not.
So we are speaking of two ends of a spectrum: one were you get a watch with a basic operating system with no apps and on the other end a more or less closed system with all the apps "you will need". Apple is more on one side where Garmin is more on the other. Both have their advantages and disadvantages.
That's what's all about it...! Sadly both don't want to go a bit in the other direction (at the moment). Or better to say Garmin closed more and more (they have been more open a few years ago - but then closed their platform).
Hmmm. Apple is moving faster in the direction of Garmin as the other way round. And this is where I see Garmin's strategical trap.
If they want to add more smartwatch capabilities they are limited to what Apple and Google let them do. Also, such capabilities would definitely need a faster processor and/or consume more battery.
If I could advise Garmin, I would first reduce their sheer amount of watches offered in parallel drastically (all of them use capacity of software developers). Second, I would implement a common platform for the watches and offer 3rd party developers a good and open platform to produce software that is really innovative. Not sure if this will work out as such things will hit battery life and also it is questionable if they could attract enough of devs. Third, I would utilize the massive data that Garmin Connect has and build a business model around that. E.g. what we discussed is really valuable training advice.
Worth a try I think. Or what is the way forward instead?
Just my 2c.