Bernie Sanders Wishes Apple Would Move Some Manufacturing to US and Pay 'Fair Share' of Taxes

[nt5672]

My brother is dating a stripper, that is the only thing the U.S. are making. She is cute thought.

You forgot a few, the U.S. is also making drug addicts, free loaders, the chronically diseased, the mentally ill, criminals, and paid voters. All of which require an increasingly larger government with increasing larger amount of taxes to manage and keep pacified. And all, for the most part, because of political policy or political correctness. Our politicians know exactly what they are doing and are getting exactly what they want.

Don't believe me, then do a little original research. Especially on the chronically diseased.

Bernie here is just saying what he knows people want to hear so he can get elected. His election however will not change any of the above because the above is exactly what Bernie wants. He is after all a confirmed socialists and what I described in the first paragraph is the goal of socialism.

 

[DJ Dilbert]

Well they've stated before that they would move manufacturing here. But the point was that they wouldn't be getting the educated labor force that they are getting around the globe.

Basically it's like this:

Yes the labor is cheaper than in the U.S., but that's not the real issue to Apple (and others). The point is that if you pay what they (Apple) feels is appropriate for their bottom line in the U.S., they'll likely get less than satisfactory educated workers. If Apple gets the level of education from workers that they need to assemble the components, they'll demand a much higher wage (and other benefits) than they really deserve.

To put it simpler, let's say that the current minimum wage is what Apple needs to still turn a profit. The majority of minimum wage workers in this country do not have the required education or skill sets to do what Apple needs. If the workers get that level of education, they will no longer be looking for a minimum wage job as they'll have better skills and require higher pay to accommodate the school debts and other expenses that they can now afford. Then there's also the sense of entitlement that millennials in the U.S. have now.

If Sen. Sanders wants to do anything productive, he'll make sure that education is more affordable so that debts don't pile up like that. Then tackle the terrible tax issues this country faces (both for corporations and individuals) so that sometime during the next round of elections, this hopefully will take care of itself.

 

[tomtendo]

What politicians don't understand, especially the far left, is that these business owners aren't stupid. Their will always be loop holes and they will always find them to save money. Finding those holes helps grow their business, earning more money which creates more jobs and innovation.

Same goes for CA who just passed a $15/hr minimum wage... Minimum wage jobs are not intended for the purpose to live off. They are an entry-level job or a high school/college job. And increasing the minimum wage will only cut jobs more and more.

The problem with wages is that they aren't adjusted by inflation. Inflation is around 3% a year. Why not increase the minimum wage by 3% or whatever it was that year each year. Instead... we change it every 10-15 years and make a ridiculous jump that no business owner can afford.

 

[phillipduran]

What is the fair share Bernie? 50%, 75%, ALL OF IT?!?!? Sorry Mr. Burns, we know what you're up to. -_-

What do you say to the man who want's all of what you got? Not today. . .

 

[adamjackson]

Um, Bernie. I just bought a new iMac and it says "Assembled in USA" on the box

http://techcrunch.com/2012/12/03/the-new-imac-designed-by-apple-in-california-assembled-in-usa/

The Mac Pro is also built here. There's probably a lot of Apple things that are built here. More importantly, Apple's core operations are in TX/CA and when I call AppleCare, it's an American talking to me.

Apple employees a hundred thousand Americans and Assembles some products here.

 

[Thunderhawks]

Well they've stated before that they would move manufacturing here. But the point was that they wouldn't be getting the educated labor force that they are getting around the globe.

Basically it's like this:

Yes the labor is cheaper than in the U.S., but that's not the real issue to Apple (and others). The point is that if you pay what they (Apple) feels is appropriate for their bottom line in the U.S., they'll likely get less than satisfactory educated workers. If Apple gets the level of education from workers that they need to assemble the components, they'll demand a much higher wage (and other benefits) than they really deserve.

To put it simpler, let's say that the current minimum wage is what Apple needs to still turn a profit. The majority of minimum wage workers in this country do not have the required education or skill sets to do what Apple needs. If the workers get that level of education, they will no longer be looking for a minimum wage job as they'll have better skills and require higher pay to accommodate the school debts and other expenses that they can now afford. Then there's also the sense of entitlement that millennials in the U.S. have now.

If Sen. Sanders wants to do anything productive, he'll make sure that education is more affordable so that debts don't pile up like that. Then tackle the terrible tax issues this country faces (both for corporations and individuals) so that sometime during the next round of elections, this hopefully will take care of itself.

Wayyyy too much sense in this post

It does all start with education, which no politician in the US will ever be able to address.
No child left behind was the best joke ever.

The current overpopulation (worldwide) should tell us that not everybody can be gainfully employed.

Our capitalistic entire system is built on producing stuff nobody really needs.
Advertising tells easily influenced people to want things way beyond basic needs, many times even whether they can afford it or not.

There is also a bottom rung of people who do not want to work, have drug and mental issues and have figured out the welfare system to get by.

To ask Apple or any American company which produces overseas to bring production back is just lip service.

The underlying problems of producing in USA will never be changed.

 

[newdeal]

THe law is the law, Apple pays the tax they owe. If you want to change the law then do that, its not Apples fault. Also don't forget there is a large amount of sales tax, income tax, corporate tax etc etc etc that is collected due to Apples business. Sure it would be nice to manufacture things in the USA but unless the USA gives some sort of serious incentive to do that competition is simply too fierce in the handset industry to move anything to the USA. The workforce gets paid far more, the supply chain is non-existent, the number of qualified workers is far less for the more advanced jobs, the only way for it to work is if they instituted a heavy taxation on goods that are sold that are not made in the USA which honestly I could see Trump doing if he was president.
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Um, Bernie. I just bought a new iMac and it says "Assembled in USA" on the box

http://techcrunch.com/2012/12/03/the-new-imac-designed-by-apple-in-california-assembled-in-usa/

The Mac Pro is also built here. There's probably a lot of Apple things that are built here. More importantly, Apple's core operations are in TX/CA and when I call AppleCare, it's an American talking to me.

Apple employees a hundred thousand Americans and Assembles some products here.

was this a refurb or was it bought at retail?

 

[Thunderhawks]

What politicians don't understand, especially the far left, is that these business owners aren't stupid. Their will always be loop holes and they will always find them to save money. Finding those holes helps grow their business, earning more money which creates more jobs and innovation.

Same goes for CA who just passed a $15/hr minimum wage... Minimum wage jobs are not intended for the purpose to live off. They are an entry-level job or a high school/college job. And increasing the minimum wage will only cut jobs more and more.

The problem with wages is that they aren't adjusted by inflation. Inflation is around 3% a year. Why not increase the minimum wage by 3% or whatever it was that year each year. Instead... we change it every 10-15 years and make a ridiculous jump that no business owner can afford.

The current trend of increasing minimum wage rates in all states is a total disaster. It does not help those who need to earn more money.

Many low wage jobs are in the fast food industry, maintenance and assembly line labor. (Just to mention a few)
If fast food becomes unaffordable, less people will go there.

Companies will adjust by more automation and offering less jobs, we agree.
Soem jobs will also be distributed amongst workers which then have a higher workload.

The permanent wage spiral is the wrong set up to effect change.

 

[ChrisCW11]

I think that Apple pays all of the taxes that their very high priced accountant team have determined is the absolute minimum to pay under the current laws and I also fully believe that Apple has diversified their operations around the world to the fullest extent to avoid paying billions in US taxes, again, on the razor thin edge of the law.

But this is just what any corporation in the US is going to do. Simply put, tax laws have to change and evolve and not continue based on some 1800's industrial revolution era of myopic law when America was only concerned about making stuff for American's.

If Bernie or Trump wants Apple to pay then they are going to have to step up their platforms a little more than simply calling companies like Apple out and talk about real tax law reform, which would dry up their corporate donations faster than a lake in California.

 

[yaxomoxay]

No child left behind was the best joke ever.

Not really. It was a good try to bring some accountability to school districts. Did it work? No, most districts found loopholes to get their money without delivering, but it was a good try. I am glad that it has been substituted, but NCLB was not a joke.

Our capitalistic entire system is built on producing stuff nobody really needs.

Actually it has been like that since the beginning of non-nomadic civilizations. There was no need for wine and/or beer, yet it has been produced for millennia.

Advertising tells easily influenced people to want things way beyond basic needs, many times even whether they can afford it or not.

So? In the XXI century I would expect some personal accountability by the consumer (which is often more rational than most people think). 99% of what we have always produced goes beyond basic needs. And you want that. Producing only basic needs (food, clothing, medicine, basic housing) would cause a shift in efficiency. In the US we would have to have 300 million people on four categories, instead of the plethora of categories that we have now. Result? Oversupply.

The underlying problems of producing in USA will never be changed.

People should look at the numbers. First GDP in the world. There are problems? Yes. Are they important? yes. But we should not make a tragedy out of it.

 

[Mr. McMac]

90% tax is fair share? Go to h*ll Bernie! If elected, he will bankrupt this country.

 

[bstpierre]

There is a typo in the article. It says:
"with Donald Trump also claiming he would force Apple to manufacture its products in the United States"

where it should say:
"with Donald Trump claiming he would force Apple to manufacture its products in the United States"

Since Bernie is looking to force Apple to manufacture products in the US you shouldn't say that Trump is ALSO claiming he would force Apple to manufacture its products in the US.

 

[RogueWarrior65]

What a bunch of B.S.!! Sanders could have said, "Move some manufacturing here so we can create more jobs." But noooOOOOOooooo. What he said was, "Move jobs here so we can tax you." Way to motivate people, Bernie, you sanctimonious moron.

 

[2457282]

Bernie > Hillary > Kasich > puddle of slime > Trump > Cruz (who actually believes with the fury of god all of the insane things that Trump just pretends to for money/power/votes)

I agree with most of your analysis. However, I believe that Hillary and Trump are the same in that they both say whatever just to get the vote/money/power. Therefore, I would move her to the right of the puddle. In my mind, the only sensible election is between Bernie and Kasich at this point. Unfortunately unless they do something about the dirty backroom politics that gives "that woman" all the super delegates, Bernie still has only a small chance. And unfortunately, thanks to the precedence set by Romney, Kasich may not even appear on the ballot at the convention. So our choices are all bad this go around -- really bad. Forget Apple being doomed; America is doomed.

 

[vkd]

I wish all politicians would die, including Bernie Sanders. Will it happen? No. Ditto this toss rod's wish.

 

[Renzatic]

90% tax is fair share? Go to h*ll Bernie! If elected, he will bankrupt this country.

That's what it used to be back in the day for corporations. Right now, our businesses are being taxed the lowest they've been since the 30's, and most of them aren't even paying that.

 

[adamjackson]

was this a refurb or was it bought at retail?

Apple.com/store.

 

[Thunderhawks]

[QUOTE="yaxomoxay, post: 22769953, member: 413301"

So? In the XXI century I would expect some personal accountability by the consumer (which is often more rational than most people think). 99% of what we have always produced goes beyond basic needs. And you want that. Producing only basic needs (food, clothing, medicine, basic housing) would cause a shift in efficiency. In the US we would have to have 300 million people on four categories, instead of the plethora of categories that we have now. Result? Oversupply.

[/QUOTE]

Good luck with that.
Credit card debts, unhealthy eating choices, smoking (Then suing companies) living beyond means (Housing market crash), making too many children and the list goes on.

The consumer consumes at all costs and rarely worries what is next.

When the $^% hits the fan, they look for somebody else to blame and handouts.

Of course not everybody, but I am not as optimistic as you, to expect anything from the consumer.

 

[PBRsg]

Man whats up with everyone being all up in Apple's Koolaid about where it manufactures it's products and that not being in the US. Why not harass manufacturers of toaster ovens or washing machines. Bring THOSE back to america.

If I were president I would ORDER Apple to release the Skylake Macbook Pro, today. We know it's in there and the people want it.

Killawat for President.

They think they can lay this emotional blackmail on Apple because of all the left wing positions they have taken on social issues. Toaster oven manufacturers, not so much.

 

[looking4anotebo]

You do know Trump is even more willing to talk about the return of domestic manufacturing than Sanders.

Trump is a lifelong liberal though, so no one should be remotely surprised.

lmfao. This board and posts like this are almost too much. He's as far from liberal as you can get.
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Exactly and all these here complaining haven't realized that the $750 iPhone would be $2500 if they didnt save on the lower tax rates and lower labor paid elsewhere.

Not quite, because nobody would buy them. Price margin studies have been done, a modest increase would be predictable.
You are heavily propagandized and don't realize Apple is sitting on $200 billion in cash. Their margins are enormous.

 

[Mr. McMac]

That's what it used to be back in the day for corporations. Right now, our businesses are being taxed the lowest they've been since the 30's, and most of them aren't even paying that.

The guy's a loon in my book. He caters to the entitled crowd, not normal tax paying citizens like me.

 

[npmacuser5]

I'd love to see some of Apple's more liberal fans try to reconcile THIS.

Is it not Trump who wants to tax corporations products manufactured overseas? In perticular Mexico. Not much difference between the two on this point. If either gets their way our costs of products will rise.

 

[Renzatic]

The guy's a loon in my book. He caters to the entitled crowd, not normal tax paying citizens like me.

Funny thing is, I don't think he's even mentioned raising taxes. The most I've heard are his plans to use the money we've got in different ways.

 

[laurim]

Why doesnt people realise that when Tim Cook says Apple pays every tax dollar they owe. He´s right because Apple has moved their finances out of the country. Enabling them to be a hugely profitable american company. Using american workers, in america, on american soil. Without paying income tax at all. Depriving their very country of hundreds of millions of dollars.

Yet they pay the taxes they owe. To Ireland. Which is very very little.

Apple pays BILLIONS in US taxes every year. $13.2 billion in 2013. Your post is totally clueless.
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Funny thing is, I don't think he's even mentioned raising taxes. The most I've heard are his plans to use the money we've got in different ways.

Sanders most certainly HAS mentioned needing to raise taxes for his proposals. Including a tax on apparently evil people like me spending $100 to buy stock for my retirement fund

 

[yaxomoxay]

Good luck with that.
Credit card debts, unhealthy eating choices, smoking (Then suing companies) living beyond means (Housing market crash), making too many children and the list goes on.
The consumer consumes at all costs and rarely worries what is next.
When the $^% hits the fan, they look for somebody else to blame and handouts.
Of course not everybody, but I am not as optimistic as you, to expect anything from the consumer.

Thank you for your civil reply.
No, I am not optimistic. I simply want to stop this idea that something causes irrational behavior. Behavior is way more rational than some people think, and that's exactly why handouts are wrong.
Why are they rational? Because of the concept of risk. When you borrow from a credit card, you accept risk. You make a kid, you accept risk. Once people start to realize that debt, and crazy expenses are a risk that they have willfully and rationally accepted, then we will see less requests for handouts.