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1. I wish more forums based in the US would follow their own US constitution when it comes to freedom of speech.
2. Apple already pay a fair share of taxes to all the countries they sell their products in.
3. If the US wants Apple to move it's cash mountain back to the US, Apple will gladly do it, on one little tiny condition. A tax holiday so Apple are not taxed on money they already have paid tax on (in other countries).
 
Thank you for your civil reply.
No, I am not optimistic. I simply want to stop this idea that something causes irrational behavior. Behavior is way more rational than some people think, and that's exactly why handouts are wrong.
Why are they rational? Because of the concept of risk. When you borrow from a credit card, you accept risk. You make a kid, you accept risk. Once people start to realize that debt, and crazy expenses are a risk that they have willfully and rationally accepted, then we will see less requests for handouts.

I think that behavior can be influenced, which is something the politicians or if you will "the system" doesn't do.

For example, how is it possible that people get welfare money and do nothing in return?
Some loiter on street corners, making babies, using drugs (have nothing else to do all day) and try to make money on the side.

If the "system" was set up that in order to get money you have to work for it, it would change the behavior.

Anybody unemployed and on welfare can show up at 8:30 a.m. (more than a reasonable hour) and clean streets and neighborhoods, paint bridges, fill pot holes and do whatever maintenance many cities don't get to due to budget issues, hiring freezes etc..

They should be asked to attend schools and catch up whatever eduction they are missing. Just giving somebody money, because they need it or are considered poor is WRONG on so many levels.

We are rewarding lazy people and there is no accountability and no way out for them, as getting money just teaches them that all is good the way they live.

As harsh as it may seem, they should not be given any money EVER, i.e. no cash.

You need food, come to a soup kitchen.
You need clothes, go shop at the salvation army from the donations and while you are there help organize and process things at the place. I see drop boxes not being emptied and overflowing from donations.

You need a place to stay, usually the government is already paying for you.

As soon as CASH stops they would have to change their behavior.

When the communist walls came down and the people flooded Germany, one state (Bavaria) did not give cash , but offered, food, clothes etc.

They had very little takers. People learning the system would actually learn to move from state to state to claim "their" welfare money.
It got so bad that the states had to agree to all pay out funds on the same day of the month, so it was impossible to be at all the states at the same time.

In summary, no cash and no money EVER if it doesn't get paid back with some kind of work or service.
 
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Private entities don't have to respect the rights of speech of other private entities. Among peers, it's more a courtesy.
You are correct and most do not. This is the sad truth.
It's not really a courtsey when no one does it.
 
If the "system" was set up that in order to get money you have to work for it, it would change the behavior.

That was tried. From what I remember reading, it ended up being more expensive than straight up welfare.

Though the one biggest question no one seems to ask is what percentage of welfare is being ridden by lazy bastards who contribute nothing vs. people who actually need it?

If the takers only equate to a small amount, then it's more of an ideological issue. We don't like having them around, but you're always going to have some people who ride the system without giving anything back. It's not worth scrapping the entire system, harming millions who's only crime is being down on their luck just to rid ourselves of a bunch of ******* leeches.

If it's a large percentage, then we have some deep societal issues that need addressing quick-like.
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You are correct and most do not. This is the sad truth.
It's not really a courtsey when no one does it.

It depends on what's being censored. If it's rudeness, I can deal with that. If the moderators here merely want to maintain a level of civil discourse (olol hasn't worked), they're free to do so.

But if they're censoring ideology, that ain't cool. Still their right, because it's their board, but it still ain't cool. Though on the plus side, no one has anything to gain or lose by posting on a messageboard, so it's not like it's harmful to anyone. Just annoying.
 
Picture used in the post is not in any way reflective of the political views of MacRumors employees, I chose it because it's the image that was shared alongside the original interview. I'm going to swap it out with something else as it shouldn't be a topic of discussion.

LOL :apple:
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they heard you and changed it...lol

To be fair, there were 2 other comments included in the Mods Diatribe. I simply had to laugh. Just sooooo MR. ;)
 
See kids, if you elect a communist like Sanders to be POTUS, even left-wing liberals like Tim Cook get pissed. Let this be a warning to all clueless millennials out there.

I rather vote for a socialist than a racist, war mongering, women hating, radicalist.
 
I'd love to see some of Apple's more liberal fans try to reconcile THIS.
I'm very liberal and I actually work for Bernie. But someone does need to tell him that Apple is doing what they can to bring jobs home.

And the tax thing is an issue with our national tax code for corporations, not Apple.

In the end, neither corporations nor people can be perfect - only strive for it. And Apple is doing a far better job of that than most other corporations in America. Just look at everything they've done or talked about in the last month: their environmental efforts are through the roof, they're shining a light on individuals with autism and recognizing their importance, and it seemed they were willing to fight to the death with the most powerful government in the world to protect your data and digital privacy.
 
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What's the worst that could happen? :rolleyes:

Under Bernie Sanders? Corporations pay more in taxes, people pay a little less, higher education becomes more affordable through various subsidies, and thus more widespread, strengthening the job market. The middle class becomes awash in money again, strengthening it and the economy in the process. In about 10 years, things get hunky dory again.

It's unlikely it'll happen quite this well, but the above is the major goal of all the so-called commie socialists.
 
Under Bernie Sanders? Corporations pay more in taxes, people pay a little less, higher education becomes more affordable through various subsidies, and thus more widespread, strengthening the job market. The middle class becomes awash in money again, strengthening it and the economy in the process. In about 10 years, things get hunky dory again.

It's unlikely it'll happen quite this well, but the above is the major goal of all the so-called commie socialists.


And everyone lived happily ever after.
 
1. I wish more forums based in the US would follow their own US constitution when it comes to freedom of speech.
2. Apple already pay a fair share of taxes to all the countries they sell their products in.
3. If the US wants Apple to move it's cash mountain back to the US, Apple will gladly do it, on one little tiny condition. A tax holiday so Apple are not taxed on money they already have paid tax on (in other countries).
What a load of rubbish, is that you Timothy.
 
Yes, to be paid for by future labour. One day the ponzi scheme will collapse, but most people hope that it will be after their death, so they don't care.

Okay, here's a primer on our debt. We're going to use Social Security as the go-to example, since, well...it's what's taken from the most.

See, government debt is different from personal debt, since it's owed primarily to other programs and entitlements under their own umbrella, rather than to other people. Yeah, there is a fairly decent sized percent of our debt is owned by Japan and China, but it's not the majority, and they're never going to collect on it. For them, it's assurance of our constant cooperation.

...and it'd crash all our economies if they tried.

For the most part, it's the government moving money around to pay for other things. If it borrows $1 trillion from Social Security to pay for a new type of tank that won't see deployment for 30 years, that's just money shifted, not money borrowed. There are no debt collectors, no pressing need to pay that money back ASAP. So long as Social Security remains solvent, it could be paid back at any time in any amount.

That money is owed ultimately by we the people, and the only reason why we'd demand an immediate collection is if we suddenly can't collect Social Security. There'd be a reckoning then, I'm sure, but it wouldn't break the country.
 
Yawwwwnnn.... this sort of crap is old. Let's see... 99% of electronics are manufactured in China or in other neighboring countries. 100% of global companies set up subsidiaries to help reduce their taxes so their sales in places like Europe aren't taxed in Europe and in the US too. And yes.. taxed at a lower rate than what the good old US want to charge them. These companies are just playing by the rules. That's who they think they are.

So is it Apple's fault they do what everyone else is doing? What every smart company does to help protect their sales and profits? This is primarilty what companies exist for you know... make profit. It's rare that companies actually do something meaningful, such as Apple, Google, Microsoft, GE, and others and make a killer profit too.

It's very disrespectful you use the comment "Yawwwn". Clearly your parents didn't teach you any manners.

Putting that aside you have completely missed the point. Tim Cook is trying to pretend they use Chinese manufacturers because they are skilled rather than cheap. That's patently not true. The other companies mentioned haven't made such ridiculous statements to my knowledge. What I find offensive is Tim Cook's blatant lies not the fact that they manufacture in China. Just be honest about the reasons.
 
If they're not interested in ROI why do they keep pumping up their stock with buy-backs that cost billions and benefit nobody except wealthy investors?

If they're so altruistic why don't they give that money to good causes instead?

They buy back stock because it is undervalued and it makes economic sense to do so.

Haven't you heard of all the good causes supported by Apple in recent years? For a while they were doubling up any money raised for charity by employees. Not many other companies do stuff like that.

Any now there is this: https://www.macrumors.com/2016/04/06/tim-cook-rfk-board-of-directors/
More evidence of altruism? I don't expect you will agree. :oops:
 
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