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Bill Gates Says Apple Should Unlock San Bernardino Shooter's iPhone for FBI [Updated]

Everyone pushing that agenda. The media will spin it and make Apple look like the criminals. Probably say harboring criminal evidence which makes them an accessory to the crime.
This is horrible. This makes me not want to have kids. To raise them with this government?! Nope. They won. That movie idiocracy will come true. Only dumb people will be living in the future while semi intellectuals not even well educated will rule the upper class as it's always been. Slaves! They're trying to turn us into slaves. Wake up!
This is more important than you realize. They want to know what you buy when and where ugh it's horrible.
 
Rogifan said:
This was a work issued phone. The guy destroyed his personal phones as well as a hard drive (or at least the Feds can't find it). Are we really supposed to believe this guy used his work phone to communicate with other terrorists but oops just forgot to destroy that phone, even though he destroyed all his others? Also, why wasn't the county using MDM? If they did that wouldn't they be able to get into any phone they wanted? I'm highly skeptical there is anything worthwhile on this phone.

If this makes its way to congress I think Apple can win. The chairman of the House judiciary committee has forcefully sided with Apple.
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You should join the FBI......seem to have a knack for psychological analysis of criminal behaviour. Though let me throw in spanner.....sometimes criminals are stupid ;) its not cause the FBI/CIA/NSA etc etc are awesome!
 
Merkie said:
I understand the consequences of a master key, I just don't agree that Apple is creating a master key here.
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I'm not sure if anyone has actually answered you, but there's other stipulations that apply to the "hacking of the phone" which include adding a backdoor into future versions of iOS the cripple its passcode strength in an attempt to (essentially) bypass the Apple process. It guarantees an eventual unlock in a major of cases (4-6 digit passcode).

Along with that, Apple is resisting to unlock this iPhone, because as you saw, the FBI is already submitting a dozen requests in response. "Well you can do this one, and I know we said it was terror, but this one is bad, too, just not terror" until all of a sudden they're going, "[the bad guy - you] could have terror information, but really we have no legal right to look for it" - and after time and the shoveling of information - we get things like the NSA mass surveillance with seven-degrees-of-bacon connections that can be looked up without any sort of legal query because it's entirely classified until someone like Snowden comes along and instead of telling the public about it, builds a search engine and sells it to the highest payer.

WHEW. I ranted there, but all of these things have happened across our nation and others.

As someone else said, this "master key" idea is meant to be applicable to a wide range of devices because of how the devices work - its speculation to say either way, but Apple has implied that in its releases - If this was some sort of marketing move, Apple wouldn't have tried to do all of this sealed so I'm willing to give Tim Cook's word a lot of credit here.
It could inherently requires weakening of the OS or an exploit that is purposely "left open" and that can be found easily told to outside parties (the US Government is really good at this one, and either making them obvious or not keeping it a secret for long). Bad people will learn and use it to their advantage.
 
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Jess13 said:
The ‘nothing to hide’ trope.

Go to your local PD and give them:

Your online account names and passwords, all of them;
Printed copies of all your text messages sent and received;
Printed copies of all your email messages sent and received;
Physically hand them your phone and let them copy anything.

Film yourself doing this; create a YouTube account to prove it.​

Put up or shut up.
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when you have kids and you've sold out and grinding the mortgage like most adults. you'll understand. the less idiots roaming the street the safer for our kids to grow up. This isn't about big brother this is about gaining all the information in a murder trail.
 
Well, it all makes sense now...
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diipii said:
Well said Gates. The comments on this thread are showing a sad side to the american character. Their insularity has fostered a sense of invulnerability and mis-placed confidence. They have clearly forgotten that security is not a given and costs dearly. 911 pointed the way and it must not be forgotten by any nation that those who would harm us gather strength and comfort from our indolence.
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Israel begged us to lock the cabin doors to the cockpits. That would have prevented that attack vector with mere boxcutters to hijack SEVERAL aircraft. If we do not even implement the most basic of precautions, we can expect attack vectors to succeed. The loss from terrorism is a small fraction of the loss we experience to any of several other things such as car accidents, DUI, smoking, and a host of others. To say that terrorism is so different or special that we need to violate our constitution misses the point and is self destructive.

We need to increasingly follow the constitution and be increasingly vigilant against the most obvious attacks and be somewhat prepared to either respond or at least defend or run. The current failed meme is "trust the government, we will protect you". Not only is it false it is what the Declaration of Independence warned us against!

Cite:
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html

Rocketman
 
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R1PPER said:
when you have kids and you've sold out and grinding the mortgage like most adults. you'll understand. the less idiots roaming the street the safer for our kids to grow up. This isn't about big brother this is about gaining all the information in a murder trail.
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You're absolutely correct. Please do us all a big favor and turn yourself in.
 
weave said:
Two comments.

1) Well we know now not to trust Microsoft software (ok, I know he doesn't work there any more but he is their culture).

2) My God that guy is looking old.
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Image how Steve jobs would look into old age? The old Personal Computer Pirates have become the old guard. They grew up in a era of the country knowing socialism does not work (Carter) and rebelled against this man.

They rode the wave of a huge conservative backlash (Reagan) with minimal government interference. From this, first wave of Personal Computers flooded almost every home and business in the western world to a rock-n-roll cyberpunk beat. IMO we are seeing this again with wearables in the next ten years.

Now they are the elder industry statesman akin to those in the past like Henry Ford and George Westinghouse.
 
I left the PC decades ago just because of Micro$oft policies. Apple was the opposite. Everything done bad by Micro$oft was brilliantly solved with (commercial) UNIX and Apple technologies. However, that has changed, and Apple is today far worse than the PC I left decades ago. And I've no other remedy but to agree with Bill Gates here. He's responsible for perhaps the worst OS ever, but he has a point that Apple is the only one taking this issue as social engineering and ideological push.
 
You are the One said:
Yes, like death. In certain parts of the world that's a blessing isn't it. Merciful Bill, killing truckloads of of people or just maiming them. Like with HPO-vaccine ment to save the poor girls, well actually not, meant to poison them.

As everything else, it has nada to do with saving people, it has everything to do with ripping the energy and resources of the base of the pyramid and then kill them and replace.

Will be fun watching people start realising how badly they are ****ed by the criminal cabal running stuff.
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Right this is getting stupid, and also off-topic. The only thing I will say further on the topic of vaccines on this thread is pretty sure Apple and its execs also support this issue. Otherwise start a new thread.
 
asiga said:
I left the PC decades ago just because of Micro$oft policies. Apple was the opposite. Everything done bad by Micro$oft was brilliantly solved with (commercial) UNIX and Apple technologies. However, that has changed, and Apple is today far worse than the PC I left decades ago. And I've no other remedy but to agree with Bill Gates here. He's responsible for perhaps the worst OS ever, but he has a point that Apple is the only one taking this issue as social engineering and ideological push.
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You're mixing tech issues with a political one, Gates is agreeing with the establishment and with government prying into our lives. Have you been paying attention?
 
I think several points have been missed:

  1. The FBI reset the iCloud password and has complete access to past backups and could disable the find my iPhone feature in order to not risk a wipe after incorrect passcodes
  2. If the FBI had taken the iPhone to a known wifi it would have automatically backed up and the FBI would have complete access to all of the iPhone data
  3. Because the FBI screwed up and reset the password before completing a current backup they locked themselves out of accessing the most current backup. At least for now.
  4. Due to the mistake of the FBI, they demand that Apple CREATE a hackable iOS. A hackable iOS puts all iPhones at risk, at least theoretically
  5. A court order to CREATE something is not the same thing as turning over evidence.
  6. By turning off find my iPhone the FBI should be able to guess the passcode eventually, just not as fast as if they could brute force it.
 
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Of course he did! He doesn't care about users' privacy or trust in tech companies because he made his billions and has moved on. Just like how he bashed capitalism after becoming a billionaire. So predictable.
 
I don't understand the argument that it is just one particular case. Don't people understand that on success, there will soon be a second request, then a third, fourth, 10,000th? And not just from the U.S., but less selective countries like China? In fact no matter if this request succeeds, simply knowing it is possible can cause trouble. "You want to keep selling iPhones in our country? Then you will unlock phones on our demand!"
 
Reddit post which seems to indicate that this is taken quit out of context.

I could be wrong, but this seems to be a case of a misrepresenting blog article (Verge) based on a misrepresenting news article (Financial Times) based on a cut short video interview (Financial Times) where Bill Gates explains his view on the entire situation. He doesn't actually come out in favor of Apple devising a away of unlocking the phone because he is of the opinion that Apple already has access to the information (iCloud?) and because of that, he thinks this is more of a situation of whether a non utility/financial company like Apple should be treated like banks and phone companies that require court orders to provide bank and phone records. In the end of the video he states that he thinks Apple is waiting for a high court order, which taken in context with the rest of the video seems to imply he thinks they are trying to set precedent for requiring court orders to get access to information from companies like Apple.
TLDR: Article is a lie, Gates thinks there is no need for backdoors/hacks as he thinks Apple already has accessible data and are wanting to be treated like banks requiring a high court to order them to hand over records.
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xraydoc said:
"It's only one phone."

Nope.
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Yes it is based on individual cases. Nowhere does it state they must provide acces to all phones.
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Lepton said:
I don't understand the argument that it is just one particular case. Don't people understand that on success, there will soon be a second request, then a third, fourth, 10,000th? And not just from the U.S., but less selective countries like China? In fact no matter if this request succeeds, simply knowing it is possible can cause trouble. "You want to keep selling iPhones in our country? Then you will unlock phones on our demand!"
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BS this is aproved by a judge. Even if this was the case that hundreds of judges all over the country start giving these kind of judgements: its still all according to law.

This is like a landlord who refuses to open a door after a judge gies a search warrent. Total BS to not follow the countries laws here.
 
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