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This thread just show how childish some of our users are.

I doubt it would matter if Bill came out and supported Apple, people would still bash him. People just react to keywords on these threads without even reading the article.
 
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Bill Gates is wrong. If they make a tool to crack a phone the government has 1000 more phones they also want cracked. This is not a ticking bomb case. This is a case of the Feds being incompetent and not following Apple Security employees advise and bringing it to its home wifi connection to let it synch and collecting the IP packets. The former NSA and CIA director General Michael Hayden himself agrees with Apple. NSA has supercomputers for manual breaking of collected data.

300 officers responded to this incident. 300! The perps got away!
 
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This thread just show how childish some of our users are.

I doubt it would matter if Bill came out and supported Apple, people would still bash him. People just react to keywords on these threads without even reading the article.
Disagree, at least I read it and understand the stakes and the fact Apple joined Prism last among the big tech companies.
 
This was a work issued phone. The guy destroyed his personal phones as well as a hard drive (or at least the Feds can't find it). Are we really supposed to believe this guy used his work phone to communicate with other terrorists but oops just forgot to destroy that phone, even though he destroyed all his others? Also, why wasn't the county using MDM? If they did that wouldn't they be able to get into any phone they wanted? I'm highly skeptical there is anything worthwhile on this phone.

If this makes its way to congress I think Apple can win. The chairman of the House judiciary committee has forcefully sided with Apple.
 
Apple will have to come to some accommodation with the FBI. Bill Gates knows this and so does Tim Cook. The government holds all the cards.
How about the phone gets turned over to the people who always jailbreak the iOS. Maybe that phone wasn't on the latest version?
 
Not very surprising considering what we know of Microsoft's past choices with regards to the privacy of their customers:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data

Whether its the tyrant govt tracking down the people protesting or a future Prez Donald Trump wanting to know what's on all the "Muslims" computers - Microsoft will be there asking the government's "How can we help?".
 
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Well said Gates. The comments on this thread are showing a sad side to the american character. Their insularity has fostered a sense of invulnerability and mis-placed confidence. They have clearly forgotten that security is not a given and costs dearly. 911 pointed the way and it must not be forgotten by any nation that those who would harm us gather strength and comfort from our indolence.
 
For anyone who says "It's just this one phone" please read Tim Cook's Q&A, specifically this:

"Law enforcement agents around the country have already said they have hundreds of iPhones they want Apple to unlock if the FBI wins this case."

http://www.apple.com/customer-letter/answers/

The second Apple does it for "this one phone" it's hundreds, then thousands, of phones... Apple wouldn't have the manpower to have a team creating a phone specific OS every hour of every day. They'd just have to create a master key, which is exactly their objection.
 
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Tell me, looking at Microsoft at its height, and then its decline from the monopoly position of 95% of the market, what was responsible for the fall? Mobile, that was later on: but first was its naive reaction to the Internet, opening up the monopoly desktop in a totally unprotected and insecure way. When you could see the hard drives of your entire neighborhood, because everybody turned on file sharing with their own home network in mind. When raw sockets were allowed without restrictions, and the firewall was off by default -- Microsoft engineers "innovated" themselves into the world of the status of old Windows machines being good for nothing but the propagation of bot armies. So of course, Bill doesn't seem to understand security yet.
 
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According to the WSJ this isn't about one phone, there are apparently about a dozen iPhones they are wanting to get Apple to hack. Curiouser and curiouser...

Bill is being naive if he thinks this is just for one case. This also sets the stage so that the FBI can do anything it wants with a court order.

Do you know much this hack would be worth on the black market for criminals? There's no chance this hack is not getting leaked, even if in secret.
 
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I would like to ask the question in the other direction.
At what level of seriousness do people here think Apple should do this for the state/people?
 
I live in a country where I can disagree with Mr. Gates. Where we can respect each others opinion. Just want to keep it that way.
 
Apple needs to close this security hole where someone that has stolen their developer's certificate can get firmware installed on an iPhone without the users permission or without wiping it first....as we've seen government agencies have shown no restraint in steeling businesses software certificates specifically to be used as back doors.

Apple needs to close this possibility.
 
I dont understand the problem for apple, this seems more to get good PR then anything else.

After all if a court decides only apple can unlock this phone and orders apple to help in this, thats a legal court order following all the procedures the US has in place. Apple can appeal but once thats done even if it doesnt like the judgement it should provide in this.

And wasnt it so that this is for an iphone 5c? And that the security measures were made stricter in newer devices that even if they provided a solution here it wouldnt mean it could be used on anything more newer?
 
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