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Bloomberg: First Mac With Apple Silicon Will Be Announced in November
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No you can't.
You can remember back to when hardware was announced at WWDC, before iPhone (or Mac, for that matter) was big enough to justify its own event.
first gen products it is an empty concept... Apple history is full of success... ask the first ones that bought a an iPhone, MacBook, MacBook Pro, iPad, etc...
I think I prefer smaller events spread out going forward after the pandemic. Apple can still have their big iPhone launch and WWDC every year but smaller launches pandemic video style would be good for iPads and Macs. It's a good middle ground between a big event with not much substance and a low-key unveil on Apple.com with a press release.
Please don’t let it be a mbp 16” as I’m buying an i9 one tomorrow for £2000 brand new sealed.
Why? AMD Ryzen is less power efficient and less single core performance compare to Apple Silicon.
Let alone the supplies. Its still super hard to get a AMD laptop today.
4800H wipe the floor for Intel laptops but they never have enough chips for the product.
I was dead set on getting an AS 12", thanks to how much I loved the original, but after thinking a fair bit reality has hit hard and if the models are limited in memory sizes then while I'd be happy if I could get a 12" with 16GB RAM like my last one, if 32GB+ was only offered in the Pro lineup, I'd probably jump over to that.
I buy my computers to last me 5 years, and so far they have, but I'm already pushing the limits with 16GB, I just don't see it holding out until 2026.
Fingers crossed I can buy the cutest quietest smallest MacBook ever made, with 32/64GB of RAM, but I'm guessing that'll be limited to higher models, or require a package with an obscene amount of storage (which I simply never use locally).
God forbid if they're only available in 8GB.
I buy my computers to last me 5 years, and so far they have, but I'm already pushing the limits with 16GB, I just don't see it holding out until 2026.
Fingers crossed I can buy the cutest quietest smallest MacBook ever made, with 32/64GB of RAM, but I'm guessing that'll be limited to higher models, or require a package with an obscene amount of storage (which I simply never use locally).
God forbid if they're only available in 8GB.
I hear you. But this first gen feels less first genny than other launches. Unlike those launches, they have been testing these chips in real world tablets and hand helds for a few cycles now. They have some data under whir belts. With Tim uncharacteristically aggressive about a 2-year, full line roll out... I think he only does so with knowledge that they're further down the path than the may have been with past transitions. I could be wrong. Would not be the first time. I am looking forward to seeing how this all pans out. Should be fun.
I really hope they could build a Mac mini that could hanging off the display cable and running 10Gig LAN. It will be the best media center + NAS home server.
wwdc event with an iphone announcement is an iphone event. which common sense says it’s entirely possible a mac could be announced with iphones. don’t try to backtrack here.
Yeah, but I think they've made that easy enough with their tools and the message at WWDC was pretty clear: no point in holding back, we're going to ARM. Some devs may not choose to update right away, but I think most are naturally forward looking and doubt many want to be seen as slow to adapt.
The chip availability question is on my mind too. Even Apple can't do everything it wants to at once-- they have a lot of but still a limited number of skilled people to work on these designs and the more things they change at once the greater the risk.
If it were my program, I'd consider a process like this: get MacOS running on an iPad, build an iPad chip into a Mac form factor and peripheral set (my understanding is the dev kit hasn't fully delivered on this yet), maybe tweak the iPad chips a bit to make them a better bridge to Macs, build a Mac specific chip variant. I don't know if that's the process they have in mind or not, and if so I don't know how far along they are. They might have been moving along this path in the lab before releasing anything to the public.
Designing, bringing up and then optimizing a new processor of this complexity isn't trivial though. It'll take years from whenever they started to get it dialed in. The've already had a steady pipeline of iPad chips in development, so it makes sense to tap that stream of parts first.
I could be wrong on all of this, but there might be different answers depending on whether you look at this through a marketing or engineering lens. Sometimes Apple gives the preference to the marketing view by running the engineering cycles entirely in the lab out of public view because they have the money to do that, sometimes they make incremental releases like a normal company that needs to maintain a revenue stream to justify a development and wants early customer repsonse to steer future products.
Yes don't get me wrong, my Dev Kit runs great with Rosetta apps and that's fine but it's not always a case of chucking your existing code into Xcode and outputting Apple Silicon Native code ready to go. It takes time to make it all work seamlessly.
I'd rather Apple sets a release date of shipping the first Silicon Macs so all Dev's can at least work towards that date and not an Apple Event in Nov and BOOM shipping today sort of thing.
But that's just my view and maybe not others.
Pretty easy to guess. They don’t have much time left to announce it. They are doing the iPhone event mid October. So earliest would be end of October/beginning of November. Latest would be first week or two of December because of holidays. Skip a week of thanksgiving too. They’ll probably want to announce it before Black Friday too. Can’t have potential customers spending their money on other things first.
Considering that Apple’s 12X chips are still competitive with today’s laptops, they don’t even have to “knock it out of the park” with Apple Silicon, just perform better than that 2 year old chip. So, they could have taken that 2018 tech, iterated on it for 12 months, and then lock in the chip for testing in 2019 to ensure production availability in 2020.
There's another thing, plenty of people haven't spend anything on holidays/Bars/cinema's/and so on due to covid19, there's a lot of people with money to spend so it might not matter that much.
I would buy an Intel Mac now then. I wouldn't get the first ARM Mac they release. I bet ya it'll be riddled with bugs.
There are plenty of cases where a later model had problems, I don't really think a first released product is worse than a later model of the same device.
Says the egg to the chicken: no point in porting my app to AS if it's not shipping yet.
I don't think anyone's saying they're the same thing. But they are close. The lower levels of the OS are the same. They've been running Unix-based portable computers with A-series processors, displays, and USB-C ports for several years. The iPad Air. They've been running Unix-based portable computers with other processors, and displays and USB-C ports, and keyboards and such for decades (well, the USB-C ports are more recent). Combining the two - moving the A-series processors into the MacBook (plain or Pro or Air line) is not rocket science.
