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This comment changed my thinking a bit. I’ve been thinking that Apple would want to come out of the gate showing performance to put everyone’s concerns to rest. But seeing my own thinking echoed back to me has me reconsidering. The problem with that approach is that it would overhang the market on their entire product line.

For example, if they really do put out a lower end MB that matches their high end performance it risks causing everyone to wait for ARM before they buy the higher end product.

I’m starting to think it more likely that they go small with a focus on portability and battery life. The downside would be that his reinforces people’s concerns that ARM is a chip for portable devices rather than heavy workloads. The advantages though is that those people will continue buying the existing high end products and it also give Apple more time to finish higher performance processors.

I can imagine a 12” MB using an iPad chip, but not a top end iMac. I suspect they’ll eventually have dedicated parts for their performance products.
Good points, and now you've got me thinking that it won't be just a single product, but at least 2. At least one low end MB/MBA, and at least one high end MBP.
 
Makes total sense. Why mixing iPhones with Macs when they both need good spotlight. Spread it out and you have more media coverage overall ;)
I agree ~ and since they don’t have to organize press into a room, they can have these virtual events as often as they want.

I think the first aMac deserves a separate, special event. This is a big deal for the Mac line, and it should gain them market share over time.
 
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Looks like I need to decide if I want a MacBook Air or MacBook Pro to replace my current laptop over the next month... I will wait a few years before switching to Apple Silicon
 
Having spent the best part of 25 years in the semiconductor industry all I can say is that first generation silicon will not be pretty.

Would you really consider it first generation silicon? How different will it be compared to whatever A14X is? Enough to be considered first generation?

I'm sadly typing this from a first gen 2015 Macbook that has been sluggish since the day it was bought. Anything has to be better performing...
 
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and it should gain them market share over time.
I still don’t believe the end goal is increased macOS marketshare. I think it’s more that they know the near future sees more and more folks comfortable with and choosing iOS/iPadOS. This is more so that, as the last few folks that like macOS stop buying systems, they can make more of a profit on each one as the sales decline.
 
Would you really consider it first generation silicon? How different will it be compared to whatever A14X is? Enough to be considered first generation?

I'm sadly typing this from a first gen 2015 Macbook that has been sluggish since the day it was bought. Anything has to be better performing...

Typing on a 2009 MacBook white............does everything I need it to do.

Started at 35nm and where are we now? Always astonishes me the technological advances. However, yes I consider this first gen silicon, unproven, going to have some issues if not with the silicon itself then in the application.
 
I think it’s more that they know the near future sees more and more folks comfortable with and choosing iOS/iPadOS.
This is why I think it will increase their market share. We know iOS devices are clearly their largest market. But there are a lot of people that own these devices and still use a non-Mac (it would be interesting to see the actual stat).

What if the move to AS nudges these users to take the leap to a Mac? I see every iOS device user even more as a potential Mac user. And with the capability of iOS apps being able to automatically work on the Mac — the Mac instantly now has thousands of new apps available to use.

It will be neat to see how the Mac evolves over the next few years.
 
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We frequently see it mentioned on here, but what are all these first gen Apple products which sucked, but whose problems were fixed within a revision or two?
Only considering models from 2006, both new families and new designs:
  • First generation of most Intel Macs (early 2006): 32-bit processors (late 2006 models were 64-bit apart form the Mac Mini which got there in mid 2007). This limited software updates as Mac OS X Lion required 64-bit in 2011. The support timeframe didn't improve much for later models until 2007 (iMac and MacBook Pro), Late 2008 (MacBook Air, Aluminium MacBook) or 2009 (MacBook, Mac Mini).
  • First and second Mac Pro (2006, 2007) also had limited support in later Mac OS X versions. Third generation (2008) is where it opened up.
  • First MacBook Air (early 2008) had limited software updates compared to its successor and was saddled with an obscure Micro-DVI connector for display output (later models had Mini DisplayPort, then Thunderbolt). Early models also had iPod hard drives as SSDs were still too expensive.
  • 2013 Mac Pro redesign ("trash can") turned out to be a mistake and it languished without ever getting updated, until it was eventually replaced with the iMac Pro or 2019 Mac Pro.
  • First Apple TV (2007) was a completely different design to all later models (based on a Mac rather than iOS devices) and had limited support. Apple TV 2 was somewhat limited in software updates; Apple TV 3 was a lot better.
  • First iPhone (2007) was only supported for three iOS versions. Its successor (iPhone 3G) wasn't much better (and sucked badly when running iOS 4). The third generation (iPhone 3GS) had reasonable support and performance.
  • First iPad (2010) was only supported for 2.5 years by iOS and was heavy. Its successor (iPad 2) was a much better design, and was supported for a lot longer.
  • First retina iPad ("iPad 3" or "the new iPad" in early 2012) was superseded within six months and its successor had much better software support.
  • First iPad Mini (late 2012) also had limited software support compared to later models.
  • First Apple Watch (2015) only had 3.5 years of watchOS support and performs badly compared to the Series 1 (or especially Series 2 and later). Later models got at least five years of support.
I was being conservative around 2007-2009 so waited for the 3rd gen MacBook Pro and iPhone, which turned out to be the right choice. I made the mistake of getting the original iPad. The original Apple Watch was not as bad but I should have waited a year for the much better series 2.

I'm still enjoying my first gen 12.9-inch iPad Pro (2015), so first generations aren't always bad, and on average have been improving in the last few years.

I'll probably get an early Apple Silicon Mac to familiarise myself with the platform, but it won't be my primary Mac.
 
Apple is not releasing a new form factor but rather changing the internals of one of their existing laptops. Apple already has had years to make their own ARM silicon for iPhones and iPads. One could argue that they ultimately spend much more money on quality for those chips as there are millions of devices and billions of dollars in penalty if they get it wrong. They will use a variation of an iPhone chip for a laptop, so this is not likely to suffer the same quality fate as laptop designs that are new. Moreover Sir J. Ive is no longer the one steering the design boat over there. The abandonment of the crap keyboard suggests that design for design sake is not the driving force at Apple anymore.

The problem with this line of thinking is that in the video from WWDC the hardware designers are saying that this would not be the case (not an iPhone in a desktop package) and that they needed to rethink ARM silicon for the desktop to adopt it to the more powerful needs of the desktop.
 
They already have had experience to refine it with it with their iPads.

That's what I'm thinking. I kind of still want the 16" to be the first MacBook, so that it's the first to get a second-generation of Apple Silicone. I'd be overdue by then, but I could wait.

(But perhaps the last MacBook upgraded would be enough).
 
Looking forward to the AS mac reveal in about a month and the reviews and technical details afterwards.

Hope we don’t have to wait many months until there is a AS Mac Mini or even a AS Mac Nano (Apple TV size)
 
Please god don't bring back the 12 inch MacBook. It makes no sense in the lineup.
 
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Wish they’d hurry up. My wife’s 12” MB is on its last legs - constantly overheating and shutting off.

Hope they could fix Big Sur first as it's not running very well right now and getting slower after each updates.
Maybe new Apple Silicon will run Big Sur better. Who knows.

Maybe they should release Big Sur first so people have time to get use to the system instead of getting a new Mac with a totally different UI and blaming changes on the apple silicon.
 
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Hope they could fix Big Sur first as it's not running very well right now and getting slower after each updates.
Maybe new Apple Silicon will run Big Sur better. Who knows.
I haven't jumped on that train - I suffered from massive problems with catalina and SMB shares up until a couple months ago, so I skipped the betas this time around.
 
I'm betting on a whole new case and look. There is no way they just drop Apple Silicon in the current designs.
None of the “like” buttons expresses properly “that’s your opinion, but I think you’re totally wrong”. A new processor is no reason to change the case.
 
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