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yep, found one. since q1 16 is NOT year over year because we are still in 2016 unless you are dreaming that you are in 2017.

iPhone 6s breaks Apple sales record with 13 million sold

Are you ill??? That's the first weekend iPhone 6s sales from last year. Since then apples year over year iPhone sales ..

Meaning iPhone sales in 2015 compare to iPhone sales in 2016 have been FALLING??? They only sold 48 million last quarter compared to 61 million in the same quarter of 2015.

Yes iPhone sales are falling!!!
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sorry but you did not know what you are talking about. "beginning of this year" is NOT year over year declines. you are spreading misinformation to others.

still want to google for it?

Listen I am talking about iPhone sale for 2016 compared to iPhone sales for 2015 ... that is what year over year is. Then in 2017 it would be compared to 2016.

Yes iPhone sales are SLUMPING.
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sorry but you did not know what you are talking about. "beginning of this year" is NOT year over year declines. you are spreading misinformation to others.

still want to google for it?

It's not misinformation when I know how to read and what I'm talking about. You're trying to compare 2016 to 2017. When the year over year right now is 2016 to 2015.

Apple has gone 3 quarters in a row with slumping iPhone sales of year over year. Analysts are predicting that the trend continues into 2017
 

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I wouldn't waste your time arguing with that other user, it's been obvious since early in the thread that they're feeling rather defensive about this whole thing in general.

He's arguing that these iPhone sales aren't declining and they obviously are.

Don't even know what year over year sales declines are.

I feel bad for him more then anything
 
as I said, this is pointless thread. what is unworthy to you does not mean it is the same for others.
 
as I said, this is pointless thread. what is unworthy to you does not mean it is the same for others.

At least you've seen the proof of the declining year over year sales figures.

After trying to say I'm making crap up. I don't make crap up. I use a simple tool called google. Also the news about declining iPhone figures has been all over macrumors, news stations in television. Any tech site in the internet.

It's been well documented news for MONTHS NOW!!!
 
He's arguing that these iPhone sales aren't declining and they obviously are.

Don't even know what year over year sales declines are.

I feel bad for him more then anything

I thought you want to compare one year over the other, not quarterly.

anyway, smart phones has huge growth over the last 10 years. the market is saturated. tech is reaching its limit. so decline is naturally expected. anyone can predict this.

even so, new features from iphone 7 are worthy to many. I understand iphone 7 is not worthy for you but coming here and claim that water resistance is not needed. it is just show you are trying to justify your decision.
 
I thought you want to compare one year over the other, not quarterly.

anyway, smart phones has huge growth over the last 10 years. the market is saturated. tech is reaching its limit. so decline is naturally expected.

even so, new features from iphone 7 are worthy to many. I understand iphone 7 is not worthy for you but coming here and claim that water resistance is not needed. it is just show you are trying to justify your decision.

Bro I'm not even saying that the new iPhone 7 features are needed or wanted by some, but here's the thing...

I had the iPhone 7 on launch day Along with an SE and a 6s Plus. The differences in the 3 phones are negligible at best. Besides the 7 being waterproof the rest of it is not a HUGE difference.

There are YouTube videos showing the iPhone SE speeding through apps quicker than iPhone 7. There are YouTube videos of the 6s Plus and iPhone 7 basically opening apps at the same speed.

If the speed isn't improved then what is? It's water resistant ... yes. The home button isn't a button... the display is same resolution, but has a wider color gamut...

Come next year when the 8 is released and Apple (hopefully) brings something powerful to the table then this years update will look and feel minuscule compared to that...

It's basically Apple obviously has to release a new phone every year. The phone they had prepared for next year isn't ready yet so they have to have a fill in. So they release the same design with a few new features and call it the iPhone 7???

I feel like they should have kept it as a 6 series phone because it's nothing more then a refinement ...
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Damn. This thread went from why the prefers the 6S Plus, to iPhone sales, to the iPhone SE.

OP, enjoy your phone bro. I got the 7+ coming in. Looking forward to it. But hey if the 6S+ is ok with you then that's all that matter :)

If a thread EVER WENT OFF TOPIC ... it was this one. It was truly all over the place
 
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Bro I'm not even saying that the new iPhone 7 features are needed or wanted by some, but here's the thing...

I had the iPhone 7 on launch day Along with an SE and a 6s Plus. The differences in the 3 phones are negligible at best. Besides the 7 being waterproof the rest of it is not a HUGE difference.

There are YouTube videos showing the iPhone SE speeding through apps quicker than iPhone 7. There are YouTube videos of the 6s Plus and iPhone 7 basically opening apps at the same speed.

If the speed isn't improved then what is? It's water resistant ... yes. The home button isn't a button... the display is same resolution, but has a wider color gamut...

Come next year when the 8 is released and Apple (hopefully) brings something powerful to the table then this years update will look and feel minuscule compared to that...

the extra power and RAM of iphone 7 are not fully utilized yet since apps take time to update.

if you take a look at a video showing camera in portrait mode, still in beta, the extra power and RAM are critical. processing imaging in real time without lag. Hence portrait mode only available on 7 Plus.

this feature alone is important to many, which might not to you.
 
the extra power and RAM of iphone 7 are not fully utilized yet since apps take time to update.

if you take a look at a video showing camera in portrait mode, still in beta, the extra power and RAM are critical. processing imaging in real time without lag. Hence portrait mode only available on 7 Plus.

this feature alone is important to many, which might not to you.
the extra power and RAM of iphone 7 are not fully utilized yet since apps take time to update.

if you take a look at a video showing camera in portrait mode, still in beta, the extra power and RAM are critical. processing imaging in real time without lag. Hence portrait mode only available on 7 Plus.

this feature alone is important to many, which might not to you.

Once this feature gets utilized and the A10 can get used to its full potential it will be a beast of a phone. It already is a beast of a phone. So is the 6s/6s Plus. So is the SE if someone likes little phones. This iPhone lineup that Apple has is the most impressive lineup they've had. Every phone has at least 2 gb of ram and at least the A9 processor.
 
Few points for both "sides":

1. The 7+ is definitely a better phone than the previous generation. But it's not $900 better than the 6S+, which is what the OP is saving by choosing that phone and service bundle in his home country.

2. iPhone sales are irrelevant to the conversation. What phone is best for you is a matter of opinion. Whether the iPhone is the hottest phone in history or a dog on its last legs makes 0 difference if you like it and think it's the best phone for you.
 
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Well... I preordered the 7 Plus 128GB in Matte Black as soon as it became live. Was told September 16th delivery. That day came and went and when I called, they said "Oh its Oct 3rd now". Then yesterday got a message saying "Oh its Oct 17th now". Totally fed up I went to the local O2 store and had a hold of a 7 Plus and you know what? It is just not worth the upgrade from a 6s Plus. The dual camera isn't that much of a benefit if you're serious about photography. I don't plan on swimming with my phone and the button is kind of..meh.

I got the 6s Plus 128gb for less a month , with 6 times the amount of data allowance and for half the upfront cost. Oh and in 12 months I can upgrade with no penalty for the iPhone 7s/8 next year.

I think the sheer hype of the phone is silly as its really not that great in my opinion.

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Ummm guess the 3GB of ram wasn't interesting, nor the A10 processor that is faster. And your right why would you want a better looking screen that's 25% brighter and better battery life.
 
Old tech? I have a 7+ and other than the solid state home button and slightly improved camera it feels no different to the 6S+ for my (heavy) usage pattern. The stereo speakers are meh, the two generations older 6+ had the best iPhone speaker to date in my opinion. As for the OP, if he's saving £700 over the life of his contract then I'd say the 6S+ is a no-brainer. It was leaps and bounds better than the 6+ loudspeaker aside, and is hardly trumped by the newer 7+ in any essential capacity.
Oh, I came from one, definitely see a difference, but again ever one is different I guess.
 
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Oh, I came from one, definitely see a difference, but again ever one is different I guess.

Yes that's the main thing. Everyone is different. I've came from every iPhone iteration there has been. Some there are big differences and some there are not.

In all honesty the iPhone 7 is just a refinement of the iPhone 6s. Nothing major, but definitely a great device. However so is the 6s and 6s Plus. I can honestly tell that it seems as though the iPhone 7 is a transitional device to hold people over until 2017. Then it has people coming on forums trying to argue whether it's better than a 6s ...

Of course the 7 is a better phone, but is it really that much better??? In my eyes it is not!! In your eyes it is. Sometimes idk if some people really believe the things they say:..
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You're right. It's much much better.

It may have the opportunity to be "much much" better. As far as the 7 Plus is concerned, but the regular 7 is actually kinda boring. The differences in the camera of the regular 7 and the iPhone 6s Plus are not as noticeable as the iPhone 7Plus
 
You made the right choice. I opted out of getting the 7 plus and kept my 6s plus. Happy with my decision. The A9 is still a great chip.

Will buy the new iphone next year
 
Few points for both "sides":

1. The 7+ is definitely a better phone than the previous generation. But it's not $900 better than the 6S+, which is what the OP is saving by choosing that phone and service bundle in his home country.

2. iPhone sales are irrelevant to the conversation. What phone is best for you is a matter of opinion. Whether the iPhone is the hottest phone in history or a dog on its last legs makes 0 difference if you like it and think it's the best phone for you.

I believe we should all be able to agree that the 7 is better than the 6s. However better is subjective. Like you said the OP saved a bunch of money by going with the 6s and the question they have to ask is whether the 7 is that much money better...

And unless we are talking just a couple hundred than the 7 is not hundreds of dollars better than the 6s... therefore the op made the right choice

As far as iPhone sales are concerned ... they should have never been brought into this thread to begin with...
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You made the right choice. I opted out of getting the 7 plus and kept my 6s plus. Happy with my decision. The A9 is still a great chip.

Will buy the new iphone next year

This is the part people aren't understanding. When you have a minimal upgrade released such as the iPhone 7 and you already have the 6s Plus... it's hard to upgrade for any reason. The 7 has a couple of good features on it that the 6s doesn't have, but the truth is the next iPhone will have those same features plus new ones.

Had the 7 been this major major upgrade then these arguments would be mute, but it just isn't this huge big upgrade to and already great phone
 
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I am having a hard time with the 7 and Plus, I have both.

I use my smartphone extensively throughout the day. Threads and feedback galore already on the yellowish and less bright display. That is the case with both of mine versus the 6s Plus.

I don't care about the supposed "better accurate display". The 7 and Plus is distracting considering I was using the 6s Plus for quite awhile beforehand. I would not say they hurt my eyes but I can and have looked at my 6s Plus for quite awhile and never felt distracted by its display.

Forget everything else, one's mileage varies depending how they use their smartphone and if the new 7 is a worthwhile upgrade.

More than likely I will return the 7 and Plus before expiration. Cannot help but think I'd be sorry if I did not. I can always repurchase at a later time if I choose to do so.
 
I believe we should all be able to agree that the 7 is better than the 6s. However better is subjective. Like you said the OP saved a bunch of money by going with the 6s and the question they have to ask is whether the 7 is that much money better...

And unless we are talking just a couple hundred than the 7 is not hundreds of dollars better than the 6s... therefore the op made the right choice

As far as iPhone sales are concerned ... they should have never been brought into this thread to begin with...
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This is the part people aren't understanding. When you have a minimal upgrade released such as the iPhone 7 and you already have the 6s Plus... it's hard to upgrade for any reason. The 7 has a couple of good features on it that the 6s doesn't have, but the truth is the next iPhone will have those same features plus new ones.

Had the 7 been this major major upgrade then these arguments would be mute, but it just isn't this huge big upgrade to and already great phone

Money doesn't enter the equation for me. I could go and buy a 7 today if i wanted to.

Like you have said, it's more about features, the 7 just isn't that different to the 6S. Although i do think the A10 is a very impressive chip.
 
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The dual camera isn't that much of a benefit if you're serious about photography.

The difference is like night and day. The 7+ crushes the 6S+ in actually every single regard (except that 3,5 jack).

Honestly, I really can't understand how someone spends more than 500-600 bucks on an outdated device...
 
Money doesn't enter the equation for me. I could go and buy a 7 today if i wanted to.

Like you have said, it's more about features, the 7 just isn't that different to the 6S. Although i do think the A10 is a very impressive chip.

The A10 when used to its full benefit will be an absolute beast. The last 4 Apple A series chips have been rather impressive. Starting with the A7. The A8 was more about efficiency than anything else, but the A9 and A10 have been absolute beasts
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The difference is like night and day. The 7+ crushes the 6S+ in actually every single regard (except that 3,5 jack).

Honestly, I really can't understand how someone spends more than 500-600 bucks on an outdated device...

I'm not looking into getting into another pissing match, but does it really "crush" it?

I mean I realize the A10 chip isn't being used to its full benefit as of yet, but from the benchmarks I've seen and the app speed tests and stuff like that I haven't really seen where the 7 blows the 6s away.

Like I've said I had the 7 for 3 days alongside an SE a 6s Plus and a 6 Plus and I just was not impressed at all. I'm not saying I won't go a back to get a 7 eventually, but it's definitely not a must have for me. The 6s Plus last year was a must have for me. The 6 Plus the year before was a must have for me.

The iPhone 7 while I understand it is a great iPhone and the best iPhone to date ... doesn't really offer many great new and exciting features over the 6s.

The dual camera is great and will only get better as time goes along. The A10 chip will be an absolute beast, but so was the A9 and A9X. The water resistance is a welcome added feature, but that's going to obviously be on the next updated iPhone (which BTW is the reason Apple released this iPhone 7.)

IMO and I want that to be known... it's my opinion... Apple held back in the iPhone 7 just to hold it over til next years absolutely "HUGE" upgrade comes.

I just don't see the 7 as "blowing up the 6s in every regard." Again it's just from what I've seen and my opinion on it.
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I am having a hard time with the 7 and Plus, I have both.

I use my smartphone extensively throughout the day. Threads and feedback galore already on the yellowish and less bright display. That is the case with both of mine versus the 6s Plus.

I don't care about the supposed "better accurate display". The 7 and Plus is distracting considering I was using the 6s Plus for quite awhile beforehand. I would not say they hurt my eyes but I can and have looked at my 6s Plus for quite awhile and never felt distracted by its display.

Forget everything else, one's mileage varies depending how they use their smartphone and if the new 7 is a worthwhile upgrade.

More than likely I will return the 7 and Plus before expiration. Cannot help but think I'd be sorry if I did not. I can always repurchase at a later time if I choose to do so.

This is what I did. I returned my 7 and bought a 6s Plus from a co-worker for less than $200 to hold me over until the iPhone 8 comes in 2017.

It's not about the money issue because I have the money to buy the 7 and 7 Plus and switch em out daily if I wanted, but when a phone doesn't impress me in the first 3 days of using it then it will never impress me.

I had an iPhone 7 alongside and SE and a 6s Plus. As far as speed went ... they were all the same. The 7's GPU opened up games a bit faster, but that was it.

As far as the regular 7's camera compared to the 6s Plus... I honestly thought the 6s Plus was better in some pictures...

I know the iPhone 7 has some wonderful new features that will be useful in the long run...

But with me it was pay $750 for the 7 or get and iPhone 6s Plus for $200 and save $550. I was wondering is the 7 $550 better then the 6s Plus and it's not...
 
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What did you save $5 bucks a month? You would have been better off getting a 7 plus in a different non popular color. The battery life, extra gig of ram, stereo speakers, camera, A10 and, upgraded front camera, better haptics, water proofing are all worth the few extra bucks and a little patients.

Seriously are you blind? OP had already stated that they're saving £722 over the entire contract which is almost $950. Hardly $5 (£4) a month is it?
 
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