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Is barely two weeks old... These things happen.

Well, except where Apple prevents you from going BACK to iOS 7 while they get it fixed.

I was SO TEMPTED to hit the IOS 8 upgrade button this weekend... This would piss me off.

I haven't upgraded anything to iOS 8 yet. And I won't be for a while.
 
So with Dropbox a copy of your files is stored on your computer. This gets backed up every time you use time machine. What about iCloud Drive?

I thought it was the same - based on the fact you can still access Documents in the Cloud on iOS 7/mavericks with no internet connection. But once your connected, it will sync automatically and you'll lose your files.
 
While this is an unacceptable bug, one has to be crazy to not back up any documents in the cloud. I use Crashplan (but there are plenty of other good options, also). Seriously, people - back up your stuff. If there aren't two copies of it in different locations, it just isn't safe.
 
Well, at least I'm sure Craig Federighi would have the balls to sign an apology letter for all the problems iOS 8 has been causing.

Maybe Scott wouldn't sign because he KNEW it wasn't his fault...and that now seems possible. Salesman in charge.
 
I don't even know what I would do if I lost something like a thesis through this.
 
Actually, these days, I think IBM could do a lot to help fix what's wrong with Apple's cloud services. Apple has always struggled with web services.
How's Yahoo's web services? That dev team must be cheap...
 
As people have said, apple seems terrible at Internet Services. iTunes, App Store, etc aside. I often get duplicated notes, PhotoStream sometimes syncs quickly, but not always and I've given up using iMessage on my Mac.

Their hardware and software integration is top notch: iOS running on an A8 processor gets similar benchmark scores to Android running on an all-singing-all-dancing Snapdragon processor.
 
iOS releases under Jobs were much more iterational -- a few new APIs, some skeuomorphic doodads, that's about it. But under Cook, technical advancement has vastly increased in pace not only with iOS, but also ancillary systems it touches (iCloud, Apple Pay, Touch ID).

Doing while keeping to a yearly release schedule is IMO causing these software quality issues. The software engineers simply don't have enough time to work all the bugs out. I think Apple should move to a two-year iOS schedule, because I don't know what else can solve it but time. Throwing more engineers at a problem only helps to a certain point.

They need dedicated teams for each application and service. Not shift OSX to iOS and such. Hiring more to prevent this would help. Then put team leads together to test integration. Beta test. And so forth.
 
iOS releases under Jobs were much more iterational -- a few new APIs, some skeuomorphic doodads, that's about it. But under Cook, technical advancement has vastly increased in pace not only with iOS, but also ancillary systems it touches (iCloud, Apple Pay, Touch ID).

That's one of the stupidest things I've ever read.

Steve was a visionary. One of his talents was that he was able to see what technologies and services Apple should pursue, and he made sure Apple did it better than everyone else. And your telling me if Steve was still around, iOS would be stuck in the past and we wouldn't even have obvious features like Touch ID? Come on...

If Steve were around, Apple would still have it's focus and discipline, and you wouldn't see this buggy crap known as iOS 8.
 
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All my naked photos that I had stored in iCloud are missing!! At least, I will now be able sleep peacefully at night without having to worry about hackers stealing my treasured nude selfies and sex pics and posting them all over the internet. Finally some progress at Apple!

;)
 
While this is an unacceptable bug, one has to be crazy to not back up any documents in the cloud. I use Crashplan (but there are plenty of other good options, also). Seriously, people - back up your stuff. If there aren't two copies of it in different locations, it just isn't safe.

2 copies was 1990s. Backups aren't backups unless you backup your backup. 3 copies are standard. I use 4 copies.

One on MBP that replicates with Mac mini. Both backup to Time Machine. I also run offsite copy as well. I may soon do two offsites for extra protection and access
 
All my naked photos that I had stored in iCloud are missing!! At least, I will now be able sleep peacefully at night without having to worry about hackers stealing my treasured nude selfies and sex pics and posting them all over the internet. Finally some progress at Apple!

;)

Hackers never stole the info from celbs in the first place. Their passwords were compromised by easy security questions. Completely different then "hacking".
 
I agree. iOS 8/iCloud has been extremely sloppy lately, but I've gotta admit, I'm very impressed by Yosemite. It works very smoothly and seems to hold up better under pressure than Mavericks. I'll have to wait until it's officially released and see how it goes when using it on a daily basis, but so far, I'm definitely impressed.

I kind of feel like this happens every year. One year, OS X is great, but iOS sucks. The next year, OS X sucks, but iOS is great. Based on that pattern, here's what I see:

2011 - OS X Lion, bad (sloppy, very buggy, many issues); iOS 5, good (new iCloud, new iMessage, very smooth and refined)

2012 - OS X Mountain Lion, good (refined over Lion, almost zero x.0 showstopper bugs, faster and overall better, more integration with iCloud apps); iOS 6, bad (Maps, x.0 release bugs, issues with WiFi on day of launch)

2013 - OS X Mavericks, bad (general bugs, SMB/Mail issues, TM issues, battery issues, etc); iOS 7, good (mainly UI changes were what caused complaints, but the underlying software itself was still good)

2014 - OS X Yosemite = ? (if it stays as good as it is now in PB3/DP8, hopefully Apple won't botch it up, then it'll be good); iOS 8, bad (no need to explain)

2015 - based on the pattern established above, maybe OS X Mojave/Napa/whatever it'll be called will be bad with sloppy bugs, while iOS 9 will be much more smoother and refined)

What do you think?
I haven't documented it, but if you're right then this makes sense. We know OS X goes through a feature update / clean up cycle. It looks like iOS is doing that now too. That could also explain why personnel keep bouncing back and forth between products.

Maybe the answer is to avoid jumping on even numbered releases for iOS and odd numbered OS X releases?
 
I use onedrive by Microsoft as there network is very reliable and I have 50GB for free.
 
I've noticed Forstall has a bit of a cult following that pops up every now and then. One of these days I'm going to do a search and see if it's the same people promoting him, or if his support is broad based.

I was never a Forstall fan, but maybe what we're seeing is that he lacked vision, had horrible taste, but could make the trains run on time. Apple needs someone minding the trains.

As long as they go back to some time after .Mac, which was the last debacle of this magnitude.

Forstall is like a good tax accountant. You don't realize the value until he is gone and the Dear Taxpayer letters start to arrive.
 
This is sad.
Allow myself to quote myself. This is what I wrote in another MR thread a couple of weeks ago:

Apple has a lot of well earned trust in many, many areas.

But when it comes to managing data, I don't trust them much. Maybe it comes down to Messages and iMessage syncing being so inconsistent. Or iCloud/Photo-synicing still being very shaky. It probably hasn't got even the slightest thing to do with their ability to build and operate a CDN. But I simply don't trust them when it comes down to data delivery.


Now I trust them even less.
What a shame.
 
Apple customer for 20+ years, and Android is looking really good right about now. You know I had a friend of mine say that Apple would take a downward spiral after Steve passed, I said no way... Hmmmm, maybe I was wrong. Apple needs to pull their head out, grow some balls, and start firing people. Heads would have rolled if you know who was still around...
 
While this is an unacceptable bug, one has to be crazy to not back up any documents in the cloud. I use Crashplan (but there are plenty of other good options, also). Seriously, people - back up your stuff. If there aren't two copies of it in different locations, it just isn't safe.

Maybe I'm dense, but how does one back up documents stored in iCloud using the Apple productivity suite? There's no real way to browse the files except via the open dialog boxes (at least until iCloud Drive and Yosemite arrives, if I am to understand that functionality).

Do you "Save as" -- sorry, they renamed that to "Duplicate" -- every time you make a change to your file?
 
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