Can we please remove the vote buttons?

[rdowns]

I also find your post amusing because 16 posts earlier (post #243), arn posted that he will be adjusting the voting system with the first step consisting of removing the -1 vote button.

Both myself and -aggie- quoted that post, yet you chose to ignore it all three times, both in your original post and in the follow ups after we quoted it.


Good morning everyone!

If I used the "voting" system, I'd have given this a +1.

 

[SilentPanda]

I also find your post amusing because 16 posts earlier (post #243), arn posted that he will be adjusting the voting system with the first step consisting of removing the -1 vote button.

He said that probably the first step is to remove the down voting button after he analyzes the data. So it's not a guarantee...

I don't care for the voting system myself but I just ignore it.

 

[miles01110]

I also find your post amusing because 16 posts earlier (post #243), arn posted that he will be adjusting the voting system with the first step consisting of removing the -1 vote button.

Both myself and -aggie- quoted that post, yet you chose to ignore it all three times, both in your original post and in the follow ups after we quoted it.

Nothing in my statement contradicts arn's post directly which was why I considered you and -aggie-'s quotes irrelevant. Nowhere in arn's statement does it say the vote buttons are going away entirely, does it? Thought not. SilentPanda is wise.

Please be careful about making the distinction between what you want to read and what I actually type. This seems to be the crux of most of the problems you all have when I make factual statements. I've highlighted several words in arn's post for your benefit.

We still have plans on adjusting the voting system. I agree this is not what the final form should look like.

Probably first step will be to remove the downvote and see what settles out.

Before we did that I wanted to sit down and analyze the data that we have.

Now, our lead developer is unavailable for an extended period of time, and so we've just been working to put out major fires, and launch the TouchArcade app. (MacRumors app is next up major project)

arn

Removing the downvote (singular) does not imply removing all post voting. Just want to make sure that's clear to some of you.

 

[Surely]

Your post stated that it is "pretty obvious that the voting buttons are not going away". arn's post stated that they have plans to adjust the voting system, and that the first step is to probably remove the downvote button. That doesn't make it "obvious" that the voting buttons are not going away.

At this point, I think most of us would be happy with the removal of the downvote button or by making all votes, both up and down, public. I think that removing the downvote button will be enough to fix the problem with the voting system.

What SilentPanda posted doesn't change my views on arn's post. I never consider anything a guarantee until it actually happens, especially around here.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure you consider everybody's posts irrelevant, so nothing new here.....

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

At this point, I think most of us would be happy with the removal of the downvote button or by making all votes, both up and down, public.

Who is "most of us"? Speak only for yourself.

Exactly how do you propose they make the voting public? Post a list of everyone who voted beneath every single post? That would make for a lot of useless crap on the screen. Or do you want a link to a list of votes so you can then PM everyone who dared to say they don't like your opinion? Just imagine if they made political voting public and all the harassment people would have gotten over the years because it was not popular in a given geographical area to vote against the tide of public ridicule (e.g. voting for gay marriage in a Baptist Bible belt area would lead to public shaming of you and your house in some areas if the voting record was public when a reasonably intelligent person without prejudice would see it should be the other way around).

It seems to me making voting data public would just lead to the people that hate the system getting into more fights, either in that forum (bad for everyone) or in PMs (leading to harassment and banning). Either way, it's a bad idea. You either have proper voting or no voting at all. Anything else is utterly pointless. Anyone should be able to see the logic in that.

A better compromise might be to put it back the way it used to be before the forums were changed, which is have the voting on the THREAD/TOPIC instead of individual posts in the thread. This is helpful for gauging public opinion on a given news story, for example which was lost in the transition and no one's individual post had to be examined.

 

[rdowns]

A better compromise might be to put it back the way it used to be before the forums were changed, which is have the voting on the THREAD/TOPIC instead of individual posts in the thread. This is helpful for gauging public opinion on a given news story, for example which was lost in the transition and no one's individual post had to be examined.

Glad to see your position has evolved and you see how silly the current voting system is.

 

[noodlemanc]

Or not.

 

[Alaerian]

Get rid of it.

<Insert insults, jabs, slams, bold text, italics, "you're an idiot," "utterly pointless," +1, -1, "here's the rules you've broken," "downvoting is for sissies," and "upvotes only" here>

I feel like this post fits in now.

 

[dejo]

A better compromise might be to put it back the way it used to be before the forums were changed, which is have the voting on the THREAD/TOPIC instead of individual posts in the thread

You mean this (which still exists)?:

 

[Alaerian]

Voting on individual threads seems pointless. I can understand the sense in upvotes on news thread posts, but not for individual forum threads/posts a la "OMG When is the new I-Phone coming out?!??!?"

Also, the current thread vote mechanism is "hidden" in the title bar. Most people aren't even aware that it's there - they just haven't noticed it or gone looking for it.

 

[-aggie-]

Glad to see your position has evolved and you see how silly the current voting system is.

If you wait long enough, he'll write the exact opposite later. It's hard to "discuss" something with someone who just wants to argue for arguing's sake.

BTW, I always imagine him laughing behind his keyboard as he types, because he obviously gets his jollies trying to antagonize whoever he can on here. It's kind of sad, when you think about it.

 

[MacNut]

The only thing the vote buttons do is encourage faceless trolling.

 

[annk]

This thread is falling apart due to bickering, so I'll try to sum it up thus far:

• The voting system is awful;
• The voting system is fine as it is;
• People can just ignore the voting system;
• The down-vote button should be eliminated;
• The voting system is/encourages trolling;
• The voting system is not/does not encourage trolling;
• The votes should be public;
• The votes should not be public.

All thinkable views have been expressed, and arn has stated that the system is not in its final form, and that some sort of adjustment will be made.

I'm not saying no one else should post anything. I am saying that at this point there's no point in repeating what's been said, and meta-discussions about disagreements don't contribute anything to the subject of the thread.

 

[pivo6]

Keep the voting system, or get rid of it. It doesn't bother me either way, and I can't understand why it would bother anyone else. I think it's funny that this thread is 5 days away from becoming a year old, and absolutely nothing has changed.

 

[shinobi-81]

Is there a Tapatalk-ish app for OS X? I really don't have any reason to care if I get downvoted or not, but I prefer to not see any voting results at all (be it on my own posts or anyone else's).

 

[Moyank24]

All thinkable views have been expressed, and arn has stated that the system is not in its final form, and that some sort of adjustment will be made.

I'm not saying no one else should post anything. I am saying that at this point there's no point in repeating what's been said, and meta-discussions about disagreements don't contribute anything to the subject of the thread.

I think this thread will continue to go in circular arguments until Arn rules one way or the other. All that has been received from him is "the system is not in it's final form" in almost a year....Frankly, that's not saying much, and it's just inviting the argument to continue.

 

[annk]

I think this thread will continue to go in circular arguments until Arn rules one way or the other. All that has been received from him is "the system is not in it's final form" in almost a year....Frankly, that's not saying much, and it's just inviting the argument to continue.

If circular arguments (and bickering) continue, we can close the thread. I posted my comments in case anyone felt like contributing something constructive that hasn't already been said multiple times.

I disagree completely that an assurance from the site owner that he's planning to adjust the system is an invitation to continue to argue. It's a reason to stop arguing.

 

[mrsir2009]

I think that there should be an option in the user control panel to switch off the voting buttons, so that, if enabled, the individual user will not be able to see votes on their own or anyone else's posts. Everyone's happy then, aren't they?

 

[MacNut]

If circular arguments (and bickering) continue, we can close the thread. I posted my comments in case anyone felt like contributing something constructive that hasn't already been said multiple times.

I disagree completely that an assurance from the site owner that he's planning to adjust the system is an invitation to continue to argue. It's a reason to stop arguing.

Arn said himself years ago that he didn't wat a voting system for the very reasons we are arguing in this thread. Then he says it is a test and is not final. That was over a year ago and we still don't know the status of this test.

 

[iBlue]

Sounds like the best compromise is get rid of the negative rating or keep both and make them public.

If circular arguments (and bickering) continue, we can close the thread. I posted my comments in case anyone felt like contributing something constructive that hasn't already been said multiple times.

I disagree completely that an assurance from the site owner that he's planning to adjust the system is an invitation to continue to argue. It's a reason to stop arguing.

Arguing will stop when Arn and co stops straddling the fence and makes a decision. (Or of course with thread closure, which is my bet on how you'll handle it rather than making a choice.) You lot put this miserable system into place and you can plainly see the disputes it's causing. Yet here were are in typical MR form, years later still arguing around vapours while nothing of use gets done. The rate in which those of you behind the curtain make decisions is completely ridiculous. Why must everything be such a tedious, drawn-out bureaucracy? If it weren't for my bad habit to look for the occasional interesting conversation I have here I'd leave this place for being a shockingly pathetic excuse for what it used to be. If this is as good as the staff here can manage that is very sad indeed. GET YOUR **** TOGETHER!

 

[stridemat]

Is there a Tapatalk-ish app for OS X? I really don't have any reason to care if I get downvoted or not, but I prefer to not see any voting results at all (be it on my own posts or anyone else's).

You could use the mobile version....

 

[shinobi-81]

You could use the mobile version....

Thanks!!

 

[SvP]

Sounds like the best compromise is get rid of the negative rating or keep both and make them public.



Arguing will stop when Arn and co stops straddling the fence and makes a decision. (Or of course with thread closure, which is my bet on how you'll handle it rather than making a choice.) You lot put this miserable system into place and you can plainly see the disputes it's causing. Yet here were are in typical MR form, years later still arguing around vapours while nothing of use gets done. The rate in which those of you behind the curtain make decisions is completely ridiculous. Why must everything be such a tedious, drawn-out bureaucracy? If it weren't for my bad habit to look for the occasional interesting conversation I have here I'd leave this place for being a shockingly pathetic excuse for what it used to be. If this is as good as the staff here can manage that is very sad indeed. GET YOUR **** TOGETHER!

If this were my forum i'd kick you off without a second thought. Just find a better forum elsewhere!

That said: i hope they remove the vote buttons

 

[iBlue]

If this were my forum i'd kick you off without a second thought. Just find a better forum elsewhere!

That said: i hope they remove the vote buttons

Then you'd have a mighty unsuccessful forum if you threw out long-term members that merely stated an opinion. I've been here 7 years and in the last 4 or so I've seen MR consistently going downhill in terms of enjoyability. Mostly I'm content to make the best of it but every so often I get annoyed and speak up. I'm sure the brown-nosers will be around with their righteous down-clicks any moment and I hope it fulfills them.

"Like it or leave it" is a defeatist attitude that accomplishes nothing. Though my expectations for all this are low, I decided to stir the complacency. If there's any hope of anything changing, you've got to get a little loud here to make the staff pay attention and prioritize it. This "experiment" has gone on long enough. No one knows the point of it and it's causing friction all over the place. Maybe nothing will change but I said what I wanted to say and at least I've tried.

 

[SvP]

Then you'd have a mighty unsuccessful forum if you threw out long-term members that merely stated an opinion. I've been here 7 years and in the last 4 or so I've seen MR consistently going downhill in terms of enjoyability. Mostly I'm content to make the best of it but every so often I get annoyed and speak up. I'm sure the brown-nosers will be around with their righteous down-clicks any moment and I hope it fulfills them.

"Like it or leave it" is a defeatist attitude that accomplishes nothing. Though my expectations for all this are low, I decided to stir the complacency. If there's any hope of anything changing, you've got to get a little loud here to make the staff pay attention and prioritize it. This "experiment" has gone on long enough. No one knows the point of it and it's causing friction all over the place. Maybe nothing will change but I said what I wanted to say and at least I've tried.

I agree that the voting buttons are useless, i even agree that if they stated to reconsider, they should practice what they preach.

If this is as good as the staff here can manage that is very sad indeed. GET YOUR **** TOGETHER!

Your opinion stated in this way would accomplish nothing but reluctance to me. I am involved in some forums, and none are democracy's. If you are in an argument, be in an argument with that person; this statement in a thread is simply yelling in the crowd.

PS: I think the apple-community degraded as fast as the popularity of the iPhone rises. A lot of iPhone users /new mac users are annoying as **