I agree. Anybody who downvotes a member photo should be exposed. And critiqued harshly..
but I love the vote system. Been in one of those pm battles before myself.
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Can we please remove the vote buttons?
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I agree. Anybody who downvotes a member photo should be exposed. And critiqued harshly..
but I love the vote system. Been in one of those pm battles before myself.
You really just turned a discussion about voting on message board posts into a diatribe about society, bullying, and disciplining children?
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In other words, what YOU have to say "is what matters", not what the members say? Why even take a poll? Hell, why even have voting period. You can just decide for EVERBODY.
You leave me with a dilemma; do I upvote your comment in protest, even if I disagree somewhat? Yeah, done...
But do we downvote the helpful and genius comments now as well?
Why now? It has already begun and is still happening. It's the best they can do to insult someone without getting a warning.
And as the internet already provides means to be anonymous, thus using a message board to post and vent on, and providing you don't give that much detail about yourself, is already anonymous. But then adding another layer of anonymity via those buttons is just bat-feces-crazy.
I mean, when I insult someone, I do it openly, as much as I can via the means of the rules and my anonymity. It is still hiding behind a desk, but at least the recipient knows, who is the attacker and can respond to me and I can either continue to be an arse or I can actually come to my senses and agree to a fruitful debate using proper arguments. But then again, this is not Facebook or YouTube, where something like that is welcome, except one uses words like c***, m***************, *********, n***** and some others over there, which are strangely censored here.
The down-vote buttons is just another way for people, not all of them, but many, to hide behind the anonymous anonymity of their deeds, without actually presenting their own thoughts in a timely fashion, thus not really letting go of that anger they feel inside themselves. But the sad thing is, they don't realise that, and will probably down-vote this post just out of spite.
Since there is no way of knowing, who down-votes what, there is no real way of communicating with those, who do it just for those reasons, I so incoherently mentioned above. And that will never lead to something positive. Never. But who needs something positive anyway?
After watching the discussion in this thread for a while now, and seeing similar, yet less lengthy comments in other parts of the forum as they relate to the voting system, I do feel that the vote buttons need to go altogether.
It's clear to me that they are a detriment to the healthiness of our community in that:
It's clear to me that they are a detriment to the healthiness of our community in that:
- It is causing strife and contention between members when they're down-voted for a comment whether they know who did it or not.
- It causes strife between members on the idea of keeping or getting rid of the system due to difference of opinions on the subject.
- It causes these type of discussions just by the existence of the vote system itself.
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I don't agree with the OP.
Are you going to down-vote me because I don't agree with you, OP?
There you go. A negative vote isn't something bad, it's just a fast, anti-problematic way to add a counter for people who don't agree with a certain post without directly telling the person, with their own words, how they feel.
If you wish to express your feelings further, you can always reply with your own words. Do you want to take that privilege away, too? No writing, allowed?
I don't know what the big deal is, perhaps you or the ones who agree with you can't stand a little criticism?
As for the Mac fan boy debate, you deliberately chose the most obvious scenario in a (gasp!) Mac forum to prove your point, you could have used any other example. What an obvious troll.
Are you going to down-vote me because I don't agree with you, OP?
There you go. A negative vote isn't something bad, it's just a fast, anti-problematic way to add a counter for people who don't agree with a certain post without directly telling the person, with their own words, how they feel.
If you wish to express your feelings further, you can always reply with your own words. Do you want to take that privilege away, too? No writing, allowed?
I don't know what the big deal is, perhaps you or the ones who agree with you can't stand a little criticism?
As for the Mac fan boy debate, you deliberately chose the most obvious scenario in a (gasp!) Mac forum to prove your point, you could have used any other example. What an obvious troll.
But how does a minus vote count as criticism, especially when it is used on posts that present valid points or even the correct answer? Why not provide a proper reply? Have you looked at some of those minus votes? The minus votes are often misused for trolling reasons, and they don't get the voters a warning. It is safe bullying.
Well, you're right, it's not directly criticism but it could be considered as such by people who are apparently bothered by others who down-vote their posts, otherwise, if they weren't taking it as such, why does it bother them?
As for the trolling issue, perhaps you're right, my friend, but as almost any system, it can be abused - and it's up to each individual to determine how best to use it.
Sure, it can be used as a trolling tool, but how is that different from just trolling directly with words? In any case a down-vote is much better because at least trolls aren't filling the forums with senseless posts.
How is a negative vote affecting you?
I don't know if it's just me, but I try to upvote every post I see, unless it's offensive, petty, or I own it. Upvotes will have no meaning if the system removes the down button, and I think that since the system still exists, it's viable to upvote since pretty much no explanation is required, but if I downvote a post, I'll give a reason.
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Lets keep the discussion on topic, I deleted a number of posts that were causing this thread to be derailed.
If need be, please review the rules for appropriate debate
Lets keep the discussion on topic, I deleted a number of posts that were causing this thread to be derailed.
If need be, please review the rules for appropriate debate
It would be nice if Arn could finally come back and state what he's going to do, so perhaps this thread could come to a close.
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But since such "plus one" posts are not welcome here, the voting system has been introduced (amongst some other reasons).
But then again, if I give that Texan grouch ; ) an up-vote (or +1), it can easily be taken back by another member (not poster, since voting ≠ posting) via clicking the down-vote button, and the +1 was redundant in the first place (except it prevented a "minus one").
If the vote count would be split, as mentioned before, thus one can see the accumulated plus votes and the accumulated minus votes, those buttons might actually have some logic.
But as of now, they are just DiggBook tools or whatever social media crap one prefers and actually doesn't add anything.
And don't mods have more work to do, though there will probably not be an objective statistic, only subjective experience(s), keeping threads on tracks, that went OT and *******e about votings?
And to my stalkers or the members, who down-vote even the simplest of my posts (telling someone, that that does not work because of that - compatibility and all), I invite you to PM me or respond in those threads and actually POST something. This is not a democracy, there is nothing to really vote for. Use words to get heard.
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Something must be afoot, for this to linger after much trepidation?
I suspect web site hits, and little more.
Follow the money.
A popular site creates controversy within itself to draw in, well, controversy.
And ad money flows in.
The most devious and effective troll in internet history?
And ad money flows in.
The most devious and effective troll in internet history?
And then comes in to sweep the bulk of the controversy under the rug. Well played, MR.
I'm done with this topic and don't know why I bothered when it's been abundantly clear for a long time that what users think matters not to those behind the curtain.
I have to agree with simsaladimbamba on this.
I think that the voting system seems to have turned into a way to symbolise fanboyism with a single click, or to downvote a post without a reasonable explanation. It isn't productive for anybody, whether they are merely stating an opinion on a news story or giving technical advice.
I think that the voting system seems to have turned into a way to symbolise fanboyism with a single click, or to downvote a post without a reasonable explanation. It isn't productive for anybody, whether they are merely stating an opinion on a news story or giving technical advice.
And then comes in to sweep the bulk of the controversy under the rug. Well played, MR.
I'm done with this topic and don't know why I bothered when it's been abundantly clear for a long time that what users think matters not to those behind the curtain.
QFT.
Kind of the same vibe from the threads on moderation.
And then comes in to sweep the bulk of the controversy under the rug. Well played, MR.
I'm done with this topic and don't know why I bothered when it's been abundantly clear for a long time that what users think matters not to those behind the curtain.
If you are inferring to my clean up of this thread as sweeping it under the rug, please don't. Rather I was trying to maintain the integrity of the discussion by removing some of the posts that had started to derail the discussion. By all means lets continue debating the topic, there is no interest with the moderation staff to sweep anything under the rug
And then comes in to sweep the bulk of the controversy under the rug. Well played, MR.
I'm done with this topic and don't know why I bothered when it's been abundantly clear for a long time that what users think matters not to those behind the curtain.
While I agree with you to a large extent, I think we still need to let them know our thoughts on the matter.
Agree with you and with lamboman's succinct summary.
Whatever about the fanboys, and the banal witless down-voting seen on some threads, I would plead with 'those behind the curtains' to give serious consideration to removing the down vote entirely from the thread where members' photos are uploaded. A lot of gratuitously nasty posts - cheap, ugly and horrible - have been made there while hidden under the safe cloak of anonymity.
That looks like it adds a lot of value and integrity to this site! Let's let it ride for a few more months!
That looks like it adds a lot of value and integrity to this site! Let's let it ride for a few more months!
Great idea! It's clearly working out well. I say add a second downvote button.
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