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you may even be surprised to find your relationship has strengthened.
Yes, in fairy tail land. ;)

When trust has been breached, it is extremely hard to reestablish that trust -- even if both parties want to.

ooooOOOOoooooh. Aren't you tough :rolleyes:
Some are.

Knew of a fellow who visited the other fellow and used a baseball bat on him.

Let's just say the one fellow has one where there were two before. Blew it right out of his sack with the bat.
 
No, but beating the teeth out of the guy who cheated with her will make you feel better.

I hope it does, in prison.

What kind of stupid psycho bullcrap is it to beat up the person your significant other cheated with? :rolleyes: By all means, leave your cheating partner if that's what you want to do, but going all ******* on the person they cheated with is ridiculous.
 
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I hope it does, in prison.

What kind of stupid psycho bullcrap is it to beat up the person your significant other cheated with? :rolleyes: By all means, leave your cheating partner if that's what you want to do, but going all ******* on the person they cheated with is ridiculous.

Especially if they didn't know about it. One of my friends in school went out with a girl who he thought was single, well, some big fight ensued and my friend had no idea what was going on.

I have to wonder how many of the ones loudest in their cries of "Now way! Never forgive or forget" have even been within sniffing distance of any lasting relationship — and no your hand doesn't count.

*Raises hand*
No not that hand.
 
Some people are mature enough to deal with it.
You, it seems had a particularly bitter experience.
I would venture to say that maturity has little to do with it. Kind of like saying that money is not important when you have wealth like BG or SJ.

To answer your question. Been there. Done that. Got the T-Shirt.

But I've also dealt with it professionally as in I was responsible for personnel actions relating to issues such as this over the years for military units varying in size from small to very large.

Cheating affects people differently. Some expand and some contract in their reactions. While I have not seen it all, I've seen a lot when it comes to this type of thing.

What's real interesting, is how you view an activity after you have seen a breach of trust. Take your simple weekly poker game with the husband and 5-6 of his buddies. Now imagine his wife is taking them on one by one as they go to the toilet and the husband doesn't know. Different buddies. More poker (or is it Poke her?) games. After he found out, we had to restrain him. Rage was alive and well in this individual.

Another case, I saw a fellow who was so distraught that he returned to his living quarters and decided to open up his neck, on both sides, about 2 inches deep, with razor blades. Not a pretty sight mind you.

I could go on with much more graphic and fun stories, including same sex ones as no one is immune to this type of thing but it would serve no purpose. I just observe and unfortunately remember, and stay up all night helping a friend not kill himself or someone else when he or she has been betrayed.

Now granted, if it is a casual relationship, then sure, it's easy to forgive because the relationship means spit. But for a long term, very trusting, finding your soul mate type, relationship, cheating has a much different effect. At least that has been my observation. YMMV.
 
Well the military view on most things is always bound to be shall we say… rather different.:rolleyes:
And that was a rather extreme example that you used. If that is what happened to you, I can understand how you would be such a cynic. :(
Now granted, if it is a casual relationship, then sure, it's easy to forgive because the relationship means spit. But for a long term, very trusting, finding your soul mate type, relationship, cheating has a much different effect. At least that has been my observation. YMMV.
I would hold the opposite view.
A casual relationship can easily be given up… it is the long term ones that are worth fighting for.

Apparenty it does.
;)
 
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Well the military view on most things is always bound to be shall we say… rather different.:rolleyes:
I can tell you non-military stories as well. :)

It's the same.

Folks who are cheated on, react differently. You can see that by just looking around.

I would hold the opposite view.
A casual relationship can easily be given up… it is the long term ones that are worth fighting for.
Because you have more time invested in the relationship?

What matters is the level of the breach. The longer the relationship and the deeper the trust, the more effect of the breach.

Anyhow, as I said earlier, YMMV.

I sincerely hope that you never have to experience a deep breach of trust in your lifetime.

And that was a rather extreme example that you used. If that is what happened to you, I can understand how you would be such a cynic.
Nothing that I mentioned story wise pertains to me, other than it is what I observed over time.
 
I sincerely hope that you never have to experience a deep breach of trust in your lifetime.

Well there you go.
You have been assuming all along that it never happened to me…

:):eek:

Why would I throw away 9 years of happiness because my partner had sex with another man?
Was it easy to accept and "forgive" (crap word)?
No.
Did we move on… together?
Yes.

Sometimes life throws you a curveball.
We all deal with it differently.

I guess my gripe is with the *absolutes* people hold in this thread… life is not like that. As you apparently know.

Anyway… enough… I need to go stoke the pizza oven. :D
 
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What a self-righteous lot most of you are — the indignation and condemnation is almost biblical in proportions…
:rolleyes:
I have to wonder how many of the ones loudest in their cries of "Now way! Never forgive or forget" have even been within sniffing distance of any lasting relationship — and no your hand doesn't count.

Yes, people "cheat".
Sh*t happens.

If it is a worthwhile relationship you resolve your issues and you may even be surprised to find your relationship has strengthened.

Yes, people do cheat. They meet someone who comes on to them and they make mistakes. Sometimes they are drunk, sometimes they are just plain dumb. Of course, since there are tons of relationships that are probably not worthwhile. People meet because they are lonely and they start dating another lonely person. Soon enough a void is filled and the couple believe they are in love. When in reality they are not happy. She messes around with another guy and admits it to you a few months later. You try to forgive her, and then a few months after that you realize that after a year you really don't love her and she never loved you (which explains why she cheated).

Not every situation is the same, but this is what happened to me. Of course we didn't break up because she cheated, part of the reason was because she thought I was acting too jealous when she would hang out with guy friends, and perhaps I was but yes the fact that she messed around with other guys while we were dating bothered the hell out of me and I couldn't get it out of my mind. There were other factors, too that led to our breakup, but I think this was a fairly decent sized part of it.
 
Well there you go.
You have been assuming all along that it never happened to me…
*snip*
Anyway… enough… I need to go stoke the pizza oven. :D

Some of us hold to the absolutes because that is truly how we feel, I can't know for sure but I don't enjoy betrayal in any aspect of my life.
 
True, but the fact that we're often slaves to how we feel (meaning we usually can't just decide to feel something contrary to what comes naturally) can be a blessing or a curse.

For me, the betrayal of a cheater was hard to deal with. The betrayal of her lying about it was far, far worse to me - unforgivable, in fact.
 
Some of us hold to the absolutes because that is truly how we feel, I can't know for sure but I don't enjoy betrayal in any aspect of my life.

Love is a strange emotion, and an absolute of its own. ;)



Depending on the circumstances, I could forgive. If there was malice behind it, I think I would feel crushed, and it would make repairing the relationship difficult.

An accident or misunderstanding is a very different situation, although the old "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice..." standard does apply.
 
I believe that trust and love go together.

I've known some who forgive, but yet still breakup or divorce as the case may be because the trust is no longer there.

I agree, love and trust do go together. You can't have a solid relationship without them working in harmony.

That's why I can forgive an accident/misunderstanding, because my trust in the person hasn't been shattered.

Anything else doesn't really allow for that since the trust wouldn't be there. But, I don't like to put an absolute on something like love, because it's got so much control over us sometimes.
 
That's why I can forgive an accident/misunderstanding, because my trust in the person hasn't been shattered.

Accident? This isn't the same as tripping over a pavement slab or having some a slight car bump.
If you're with someone and you willingly go with someone else, it isn't an accident or misunderstanding. It's another fumble, another notch on the bed post, a replacement for something they weren't getting.
 
All of which absolute, definitive and uncompromising assertions fail to take into account the ups and downs of all relationships over time. Would all of you similarly disown and cut off a child who made a mistake? The green-eyed monster has allied itself with a comic book vigilantism to produce a merciless and unforgiving brand of binary morality to which I very much doubt its purveyors adhere themselves. A policy of "One strike and you're out" produces a lot of people who are "out" and a lot of people who are needlessly unhappy. It is unrealistic, self-inflicted, serial abandonment based on a mythological purity.
 
Cheating

I have been married for 20 years and can honestly say I have never cheated on my wife, I maybe old fashioned at 48 years old but when you get married it is for life, it takes a lot of work sometimes and it's up's and down's but I would never put in danger my relationship with my wife because I love her to much. If she cheated on me that love would be so damaged I could never continue with her and most probably would never have another relationship again: Old fashioned as hell but thats me Sorry.
 
Accident? This isn't the same as tripping over a pavement slab or having some a slight car bump.

The cheating hasn't been specified, so it can in fact be an accident. Having too much to drink at a party and then losing control of the situation seems to fit the bill nicely.
If you're with someone and you willingly go with someone else, it isn't an accident or misunderstanding. It's another fumble, another notch on the bed post, a replacement for something they weren't getting.
That's a different situation entirely.

For me, intention is the key.
All of which absolute, definitive and uncompromising assertions fail to take into account the ups and downs of all relationships over time. Would all of you similarly disown and cut off a child who made a mistake? The green-eyed monster has allied itself with a comic book vigilantism to produce a merciless and unforgiving brand of binary morality to which I very much doubt its purveyors adhere themselves. A policy of "One strike and you're out" produces a lot of people who are "out" and a lot of people who are needlessly unhappy. It is unrealistic, self-inflicted, serial abandonment based on a mythological purity.

Not that I disagree with your point, but I think the relationship one has with a child is a tad different from the one that is romantic and between two consenting adults.
 
Calboy said:
Not that I disagree with your point, but I think the relationship one has with a child is a tad different from the one that is romantic and between two consenting adults.
I'm not comparing the relationship so much as the judgmentalism. This can be seen in many threads about the death penalty, and those about gun ownership too, curiously enough: there is a great tendency to claim "Oh, I could never do that", "He/she had it coming", "Put them all to death/ hang them out to dry/throw them out".
 
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Love is a strange emotion, and an absolute of its own. ;)
Basing on my own experiences, I know what's the mature and right thing to do, I keep repeating that in my mind, but somehow, it all fell apart when it confronted me right in my face.
 
Yep. That deep down type of pain. The kind where you feel that your heart was ripped out of your rib cage right before your eyes and is pulsating in her hand while you stand there in aghast agony.

Then again, I wouldn't know... ;)
To be cheated on does hurt like that, especially with a longer term
relationship, it's not the sweaty night of passion they had, more the lie told and deceit that follows an incident such as this , usually.
The wink at the end their seems to me to imply something, but I'm nt quite sure what ...hmmm* ponders

What a self-righteous lot most of you are — the indignation and condemnation is almost biblical in proportions…
:rolleyes:
I have to wonder how many of the ones loudest in their cries of "Now way! Never forgive or forget" have even been within sniffing distance of any lasting relationship — and no your hand doesn't count.

Yes, people "cheat".
Sh*t happens.

If it is a worthwhile relationship you resolve your issues and you may even be surprised to find your relationship has strengthened.
Sir , the only people who cheat are those who either have no morals or cannot control themselves and if you cannot control yourself then you have few morals.
The cheater may feel a stronger bond with the person they cheated on if they actually have feelings for a partner and realize the mistake but I doubt very much that someone who has had this happen to them feels a stronger bond


I would hold the opposite view.
A casual relationship can easily be given up… it is the long term ones that are worth fighting for.
I think that is what he was saying.

True, but the fact that we're often slaves to how we feel (meaning we usually can't just decide to feel something contrary to what comes naturally) can be a blessing or a curse.

For me, the betrayal of a cheater was hard to deal with. The betrayal of her lying about it was far, far worse to me - unforgivable, in fact.
I agree, lying is the worst.
Control of self is key, many people these days don't have any such control be it with relationships, food, alcohol, drugs........

All of which absolute, definitive and uncompromising assertions fail to take into account the ups and downs of all relationships over time. Would all of you similarly disown and cut off a child who made a mistake? The green-eyed monster has allied itself with a comic book vigilantism to produce a merciless and unforgiving brand of binary morality to which I very much doubt its purveyors adhere themselves. A policy of "One strike and you're out" produces a lot of people who are "out" and a lot of people who are needlessly unhappy. It is unrealistic, self-inflicted, serial abandonment based on a mythological purity.

No, a child is at point of learning in the world and as such is absolved from similar treatment to an adult who makes a 'mistake' , now if said child was to continue making the same mistake different action would be needed such as further explanation as to why what they did was 'wrong' and help to correct that behavior would be forthcoming, again , an adult is grown and as such should be more able to know 'right' from 'wrong' hence why law dictates children are sometimes 'let off' from crime or given more education on the issue were an adult would be punished.

Generally those affected with the ' green eyed monster' are usually control freaks of one sort or another and tend to try and control more than just who a person sleeps with.

Skunk: "A policy of "One strike and you're out" produces a lot of people who are "out" and a lot of people who are needlessly unhappy. It is unrealistic, self-inflicted, serial abandonment based on a mythological purity."
I agree with this to a point but I don not believe purity is mythological , it is all down to self control.
I have been married for 20 years and can honestly say I have never cheated on my wife, I maybe old fashioned at 48 years old but when you get married it is for life, it takes a lot of work sometimes and it's up's and down's but I would never put in danger my relationship with my wife because I love her to much. If she cheated on me that love would be so damaged I could never continue with her and most probably would never have another relationship again: Old fashioned as hell but thats me Sorry.
I applaud you, but never say never , and no need to apologize for anything

I'm not comparing the relationship so much as the judgmentalism. This can be seen in many threads about the death penalty, and those about gun ownership too, curiously enough: there is a great tendency to claim "Oh, I could never do that", "He/she had it coming", "Put them all to death/ hang them out to dry/throw them out".
"Judge not your fellow man"..now I'm not religious in the traditional sense we have in today's society but some good lessons are taught in religion.
That said , I would not forgive a lie. Cheating maybe but lying no, and all too often with this type of situation we're discussing lying is prevalent.
 
Trust was breached as soon as you started believing the "other" person needs to believe cheating is what you say cheating is. Not wanting (or allowing) the "other" person to have sex with whomever they like is cheating them out of their own life's experiences and wishes. You people that think its cheating when your lover (wife , husband,or whoever) goes and has sex with someone other then you are so wrapped up in control issues over "other" people, you have no clue what you are talking about. Trust is faith and faith is much like commitment. But sex is just sex. Being faithful to someone "other" than yourself is trusting the "other" person will always be themselve and not become you. Meaning what they define as cheating will possibly be an opposite of your definition for all eternity.
A dictionary doesn't define you or your definitions. It defines its own definitions much like you will or do for yourself. Otherwise you may as well jump on the train like hitler did to the jews. He defined for them, his own meaning for their existance. Much like sadly many trust in a dictionary instead of their own soul. Thats why "common sense" is not very smart. Your limited to what is common and not the entire knowing.

Hilarious!

I hope it does, in prison.

What kind of stupid psycho bullcrap is it to beat up the person your significant other cheated with? :rolleyes: By all means, leave your cheating partner if that's what you want to do, but going all ******* on the person they cheated with is ridiculous.

Only if the 3rd party had no idea that the person they were seeing was in a relationship at all.

If not, then there's nothing 'psycho' or 'bullcrap' about it. Depending on how far you go in the 'beating' process that is.
 
You cheat on me, I'm hunting the guy that you had an affair with. This guy will wish he'd never seen my woman. GG

No, but beating the teeth out of the guy who cheated with her will make you feel better.

Yes, in fairy tail land. ;)

When trust has been breached, it is extremely hard to reestablish that trust -- even if both parties want to.


Some are.

Knew of a fellow who visited the other fellow and used a baseball bat on him.

Let's just say the one fellow has one where there were two before. Blew it right out of his sack with the bat.




Why beat up the guy?

Why not beat up the woman? - she was the one that cheated and betrayed trust.

I think it's strange that one would get violent and then decide to pursue only one of the parties to wreak out ridiculous vengeance, it's like some sort of ridiculous chivalry.



NB: I do not condone violence against women - apart from the odd falcon punch.
 
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