megabassjosh said:
I reckon this is just Steve wanting Apple/Himself to make an entrance by doing something like launching iTunes at 11.59pm CAD time or something.
I bet it certainly would keep people talking..
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I reckon this is just Steve wanting Apple/Himself to make an entrance by doing something like launching iTunes at 11.59pm CAD time or something.
I bet it certainly would keep people talking..
/asif
FYI, CAD time covers 5 different time zones.asif786 said:
PST (-8 GMT)
MST (-7 GMT)
CST (-6 GMT)
EST (-5 GMT)
AST (-4 GMT)
Then there is Newfoundland where they are AST + or - 30 minutes.
The question is, if he will do it at 11:59, which time zone will it be? In order to legally still say November in Canada, it might have to be 11:59pm in Newfoundland, while in BC, it would be 6:29pm. My math may be a little off on that one. Not sure, but I am sure someone would correct me if it is...
Mike2Mac said:
Well.. I for one had planned to spend the evening browsing the store and dusting off the credit card.
My backup plan is to refresh this site every 5 minutes and be pathetic.
Oh boy. Yes I do honestly believe that the majority of music shared on p2p networks is by succesful and popular recording artists. The only amateurs you can find on the internet are of the naked persuasion.
I know that the iTunes music store has the gift certificates, but once again, it's still ridiculous. It makes perfect sense in the United States, because you people find posting music on the internet and downloading it is illegal. We Canadians do not. I know plenty of 30 year olds who are going to love this service when it comes out. At the same time I know for a fact that no teenagers who are not Apple nerds are going to use this service. It's slightly easier to use, costs money and the quality isn't even as high (for the most part it is, but I refuse to listen to a CD burnt with less than 192kb quality). It's just silly to assume that people are going to have some misguided moral attitude to music downloading after all these years in our Country.
I know that the iTunes music store has the gift certificates, but once again, it's still ridiculous. It makes perfect sense in the United States, because you people find posting music on the internet and downloading it is illegal. We Canadians do not. I know plenty of 30 year olds who are going to love this service when it comes out. At the same time I know for a fact that no teenagers who are not Apple nerds are going to use this service. It's slightly easier to use, costs money and the quality isn't even as high (for the most part it is, but I refuse to listen to a CD burnt with less than 192kb quality). It's just silly to assume that people are going to have some misguided moral attitude to music downloading after all these years in our Country.
Yvan256 said:
Yup. Basically the proposed bill (which has been approved by basically every level now) states that *any* copyrighted work, transmitted across *any medium* is subject to a usage fee unless the work contains a disclaimer explicitly stating that permission is given to distribute the work free of charge.
Since things like web pages are automatically copyrighted, they are subject to this rule. How many web pages do you see with that kind of disclaimer on them?
The copyright holder's right's lobby groups (I hate to say that, since I don't believe they are really fighting for the holder's rights) have been trying to get a tax on internet data transfer for a couple of years now. Since obviously (even to a government) a per-page fee isn't feasible, you can guarantee this is the next step the groups will go for.
atraininc said:What are we going to talk about after the iTMS is released?
Politics? Religion? Current Events?????
Maybe the iTMS should hold off for a couple of more days, I'm having fun here. What do you guys think?
eMac G5 of course! And how it won't even have that damn GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64MB!
Why won't any teens use it? Because they feel they are UBER 1337 because they can freely rip off any artist they feel wihtout legal reprocussion? It isn't a moral attitude. The music is created and provided to you at a price. If you don't agree with the price, don't listen to the music. This goes beyond what the artist makes off the track. This is just simple economics.supergod said:
They provide a product. You choose to use the product against the creators terms. Example, the artist makes a song for you to buy. It is a luxury. You choose not to buy it and listen to it anyways, that is stealing. Plain and simple. Canadian copyright laws are archaic. We are trying to apply copyright to digital music that was designed for tapes and books. It doesn't work. It is just plain ignorance if you don't think what yuo are doing is wrong.
Besides from the 17 year old who thinks all music should be free...and thus artists shouldn't be able to have a career in the music industry...
... STILL NO ITUNES!!!
If iTMS Canada isn't going to happen today, Apple should damned well tell us.
... STILL NO ITUNES!!!
If iTMS Canada isn't going to happen today, Apple should damned well tell us.
supergod said:
I didn't ask you if you believed that the majority of the music shared is by succesful and popular recording artists. That is irrelevant. Since you don't seem to adept at picking up on subtleties, I will be blunt.
Your assertion that stealing someones work because they are successful and making money is MORAL, is completely ridiculous.
"They have enough money, they won't miss it."
What kind of logic is this? Someone has more money than yourself, so its ok to steal from them? What are the boundries? Can someone steal from you 'morally' if your assets outweigh theirs substantially?
atraininc said:Looks like we were disappointed again by Apple. If we don't have it by now , who know when it will come.
I really don't think it will be today though.
It's not over ... yet. Still a couple of hours to go. I'm sure Steve will not disapoint us! That, or he'll wait a couple of years before coming to visit
Avicdar said:
Except that in the case of digital information, nobody can "steal" anything. If you were "stealing" the music then even the distribution company couldn't release it anymore.
Theft mean taking something from someone, resulting in that someone not having it anymore (stealing a computer, a car, a candy bar, a compact disc). But you aren't stealing something if you're merely making a digital copy.
It's copyright theft, it's illegal copying, it's immoral. But it's not *theft*.
(For those who still say it's theft, we're not debating the moral side of things here, only the actual meaning of the words theft/stealing).
Stella said:
It's what I call the "stick-it-to-the-man" argument. Those who don't want to pay for music use it to justify their actions. Kind of like Robin Hood, y'know? Stealing from the rich artists, giving to all the poor pirates of the internet.
I also hear the "try-before-you-buy" argument, which in my opinion, has some merit, but much less since the previews tracks became available at iTMS. I knew someone who cited "trying-before-buying", while amassing a gargantuan library of MP3's and never actually buying.
atraininc said:Looks like we were disappointed again by Apple. If we don't have it by now , who know when it will come.
I really don't think it will be today though.
AHAHAHAAHAHHAH!!!!
*beats people will pole*
It's STILL NOT MIDNIGHT! THERE IS NO FREAKING SET DEADLINE! GET OVER IT! STOP PREDICTING IT! GO OUT TO EAT, GO MEET SOME FRIENDS, GET DRUNK, GET LAID, THEN COME BACK AT 12:01 PST AND COMPLAIN!
AHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!
*takes chair and throws it out window and hops out traveling the empty streets for victims*
stealing music?
Can we stop using the word stealing? You're not taking anything away from anyone. It's not criminal...and most use stealing just for effect.
I don't think they get a very big cut from CDs sales (3% or less). I suspect that record labels have alot to do with that, especially poor financial management. Can we be realistic here? This moral argument is getting old...
Can we stop using the word stealing? You're not taking anything away from anyone. It's not criminal...and most use stealing just for effect.
I don't think they get a very big cut from CDs sales (3% or less). I suspect that record labels have alot to do with that, especially poor financial management. Can we be realistic here? This moral argument is getting old...
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