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Canada iTMS November 30?
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What do you mean be legal???
There are no legal services to download music for free in Canada, and I have not heard of such thing anywhere in the world. If there is such service, it is not done legally. The fact that in Canada it is not Ilegal to download the music, does not mean it is OK to download music from an ilegal source. By ilegal I mean a source that is not paying to the music rights holders their share. Unless it is explicilty created as free by the musician, nobody can just post music in the internet for others to download. This does not make your downloading action legal. You know you are not paying for it, therefore the person or company allowing you do such thing is not paying anybody for it. ITMS allows you to download music from a legal source that is paying the artists for their work.
supergod said:
There are no legal services to download music for free in Canada, and I have not heard of such thing anywhere in the world. If there is such service, it is not done legally. The fact that in Canada it is not Ilegal to download the music, does not mean it is OK to download music from an ilegal source. By ilegal I mean a source that is not paying to the music rights holders their share. Unless it is explicilty created as free by the musician, nobody can just post music in the internet for others to download. This does not make your downloading action legal. You know you are not paying for it, therefore the person or company allowing you do such thing is not paying anybody for it. ITMS allows you to download music from a legal source that is paying the artists for their work.
supergod said:
I used to justify all my pirating by saying that music is too expensive (even in Canada with our $9.99 CDs). The thing is, now I'm swimming in cash from working 7 days a week during the summer and have very few expenses, thus can afford to buy music. Now, the problem is - I have an iPod...and seriously, it'll be a lot easier to use iTMS than Shareaza
Special Visit
I think Apple delayed the launch to coincide with 'a special someone' visit to Canada. Maybe he will announce the launch on Parliament Hill!
(BTW, I attempted posting this same message with the real name of that 'special someone' and the message got taken off the site...hmmm....)
I think Apple delayed the launch to coincide with 'a special someone' visit to Canada. Maybe he will announce the launch on Parliament Hill!
(BTW, I attempted posting this same message with the real name of that 'special someone' and the message got taken off the site...hmmm....)
supergod said:
That decision has been horribly misunderstood. The decision actually stated that the act of placing music on a p2p network or shared drive was no more illegal than the act of placing a photocopier in a library -- the ability to commit an illegal act does not guarantee that the act took place.
Going from that to "widespread distribution of copyrighted works without the copyright holder's consent is legal" is a huge misrepresenation of the decision, and one which I personally loathe because it is being used to push DMCA style laws into Canada.
Unfortunately the media wanted to be sensationalistic and "music sharing is legal in Canada" made a better headline than "p2p networks are not inherently illegal"
x5coolness said:
Why would you like to see the iTunes Music Store in Canada (Canadians already have access to the plain, ol' iTunes) when it sounds like you find allofmp3.com to be a better alternative? Just curious...
supergod said:
There are a number of advantages to the music store:
-beyond being legal, it's moral (something that matters to some people)
-convenience, as you pointed out.
-compared to cds there is a reduction of natural resources used
David
Imagine if no one paid for music.. no more music ( or little ). You damned well should know that most musicians are in the business to make money, they don't do it out the kindness of their hearts - they want to get paid for the effort they put in. The majority of musicians work damned hard, probably harder than you - having to tour, publicity etc etc, oh, not to mention the time it takes to write and compose music ( personally, I'm not interested in so called 'music artists' who cannot create their own music or lyrics, so I don't listen to them).
Yes there is a lot of dross around these days, but some music is worth paying for if you like it. Most people don't mind pay for good quality music. Really, 99 cents ( or 79p, 66 cents euro) is good value for a quality track off iTunes.
If you don't agree with paying for music, I suggest you start working for free - after all - what is the difference? You expect musicians to work for free - so should you. No difference. Work for free and see where that gets you, homeless pretty damned quick, assuming you don't have some poor soul supporting you... Musicians deserve to get paid for their efforts, just like you expect to be paid for your job ( if you have one).
Grow up.
Not something to be proud about, btw - downloading 1 gig of free music - if this is the case.
Yes there is a lot of dross around these days, but some music is worth paying for if you like it. Most people don't mind pay for good quality music. Really, 99 cents ( or 79p, 66 cents euro) is good value for a quality track off iTunes.
If you don't agree with paying for music, I suggest you start working for free - after all - what is the difference? You expect musicians to work for free - so should you. No difference. Work for free and see where that gets you, homeless pretty damned quick, assuming you don't have some poor soul supporting you... Musicians deserve to get paid for their efforts, just like you expect to be paid for your job ( if you have one).
Grow up.
supergod said:
Not something to be proud about, btw - downloading 1 gig of free music - if this is the case.
themacman said:
Personally I think January is way too soon. There hasn't been any news about IBM having already released a potential low powered / low heat G5 chip to apple.
I do think we will see the dualcore G4 in the PB before the G5 ( which due to the dual core roadmap, points towards the spring / summer time ).
12" PB G5 - LOL! Miracles.
So, as you can see - my take is the PB G5 is in the distance.. still. Shame, because against the iBooks, the current PowerBooks look extremely expensive.
This is soooo off topic!
supergod said:
So... I'm guessing (just guessing) you are probably too young to have a credit card or don't have a well enough income to buy from iTMS. I could be wrong though. I currently download music using Acquisition because there is no place to buy good/cheaply priced music in my town and there is no good download service for the Mac as of tonight. Hopefully Apple changes this tomorrow.
Predicting when the iTMS for Canada will arrive is like predicting when the geese will fly south. Man, the geese have been here in Saskatoon for a long time... and they're still here!! They should have been gone ages ago. Maybe Apple is waiting for the geese to move out before they move in. You never know, it could be that global warming affects Apples to.
jimjiminyjim said:
What kind of snow do you guys have in ToonTown? It's snowy up here in La Ronge. I thought me and Shard were the only ones in Saskatchewan that used (current) Macs. 1..2..3.. yup 3 people now.. LOL
Hah! Can you believe that actually *sell* Macs in some stores here?? Insane heh. As for snow... what type... I guess it's the non-existent type, since there is none right now. Ya, pretty well december, and no snow. We've had a couple of snowfalls, but it hasn't been around for more than a day or two. And as for having an up-to-date Mac... mine's not running a tiger beta... though if I was a developer it sure would be.
jimjiminyjim said:
Yah, I know. I bought a G4 Cube from CompuSmart like 5 years ago. I still have it and it's all upgraded. I'm typing on my iBook right now and my PowerMac G4 DP 1.25 is in my recording studio (my weekend job/hobby). The snow level here is good enough to go snowmobiling (skidooing--as most would say).
I live in Saskatoon too, and I have 2 recent Macs! Where do you get your Mac stuff? I find Neural-Net Interactive downtown to be the best place by far. It's a sweet little store!
Can't wait for that Canadian iTMS tomorrow!
--mAc
Where do you get your Mac stuff? I find Neural-Net Interactive downtown to be the best place by far. It's a sweet little store! Can't wait for that Canadian iTMS tomorrow!
--mAc
mAc-warrior said:I live in Saskatoon too, and I have 2 recent Macs!
Can't wait for that Canadian iTMS tomorrow!
--mAc
Cool! 4 people now...
I've been buying my Macs over the phone via the Apple store. I called Neural-Net once to see if they had Garageband in stock the day before it shipped. They did and they held a copy for me too. I think they are the only authorized store that Apple lists for Saskatoon.
I already know which two albums i'm gonna buy on iTMS tomorrow.
Hey Jimjiminyjim why don't you bring your fiddle up and we'll record some tracks and get a tune on iTMS
supergod said:
I think all (most) of us here know quite well and with great ease to download and store all of our music. And you bring up a good point, too. (I mean, paying for music? What's with that, eh?!)
But perhaps there's more to the iTMS than *just* music. Like Steve said in Pirates of Silicon Valley: "This isn't just business. This is practically spiritual." And maybe that's why the iTMS has been such a raging success compared to other music stores. Compared to BuyMusic.com, or Napster, or even the MSN Music Store, there is something more to the iTMS than just music...
I think Toon-Town Technologies is an Apple-specialist as well, but I've never gone there before. London Drugs has a lot of Mac stuff as well!
--mAc
--mAc
supergod said:
Despite the wrinkle in Canadian copyright law, everyone knows downloading music and not paying for it is wrong.
Leaving that aside, it is ease of use that makes me prefer iTMS. As well as the links to influencers and contemporaries, album art, and soon, liner notes, lyrics, etc.
On top of that, I believe in karma, and what goes around, comes around.
grammar
They had Macs setup at FutureShop in Prince Albert. They didn't take care of them though. They even had them signed in as admin, so Windows-advocates and newbies would mess them all up beyond recognition. I went there one weekend and went back a few weeks later and they were all still messed up. I think Panther was already out for long and they were selling them with Jaguar. sheesh...
mAc-warrior said:I think Toon-Town Technologies is an Apple-specialist as well, but I've never gone there before. London Drugs has a lot of Mac stuff as well!
--mAc
They had Macs setup at FutureShop in Prince Albert. They didn't take care of them though. They even had them signed in as admin, so Windows-advocates and newbies would mess them all up beyond recognition. I went there one weekend and went back a few weeks later and they were all still messed up. I think Panther was already out for long and they were selling them with Jaguar. sheesh...
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