"... oh wait, i also have the apple watch with me as another option to do all those things"
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Car Consortium That Includes Apple Announces Digital Car Key Specification for Smartphones
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"... oh wait, i also have the apple watch with me as another option to do all those things"
Actually the REAL benefit comes when traditional lock makers finally get off their asses and realize that THIS is how you do smart locks! The current nonsense where you have to launch an app on your phone or watch to open the lock, rather than having it work automatically by presence is idiotic. Ideally in ten years pretty much every lock you encounter (your home, friend and family homes, work, college, gym, etc) will operate this way.
And the Tesla slams are likewise just silly. It's companies like Tesla that have shown the less enlightened car companies how to do things right. It's obviously not ideal that Tesla had to embody the idea in a fob rather than a secure standard that can be implemented on your phone or watch, but what the hell choice did they have? The point that matters is that they saw the value of a fob that unlocks the car PURELY by presence, without ANY user intervention.
Oh, right. The solution is to buy more expensive hardware. I forgot.
Standard NFC tags are passive (no power needed).
I can't find a reliable source on whether "programmable" NFC tags are also passive. (Or perhaps the tag is unchanging, and what is changed/programmed is the lock being told to accept that unchanging phone tag? Something that simple seems like it has the potential to be spoofed...
Perhaps the smart NFC machinery can harvest enough energy from the reader to run a small crypto engine?)
BMW announcing they’re going to charge for it as a subscription service in 3...2...1...
Same as a key or credit card I guess. Yeah, I don't want to rely on anything with a battery, just want a phone-based key to use primarily and something else as backup. I have to carry my wallet anyway for ID and stuff.
Can I get this after market? All I've ever wanted is to get rid of my keys. I've got a smart lock on my house and I want one on my car! The only thing left after that is my work and I don't see that happening any time soon, but at least those keys I could just leave in my work bag. If only we could get Apple Pay to be accepted everywhere then I wouldn't need to carry anything but my iPhone! I keep a few $50s in my wallet as emergency cash but I haven't had to use them in years and mobile payments make it really easy to pay other people. The fewer things I have to lug around the better!
So let me get this right:
- if Apple PARTICIPATES in these sorts of fora, it's an example of them not trying to change the world?
- if Apple REFUSES to participate in these fora, it's an example of their arrogance and NIH thinking?
Either way Apple is in the wrong.
Does that pretty much accurately summarize your thinking?
IRC , or at least last I looked Tesla cant even do Apple Carplay. Thei **** is falling behid as they fight manufacturing and financial battles.
If you’ve got the means to start and drive the vehicle, then technically yes.
Maybe their solution is better than CarPlay. I was excited about CarPlay until I tried it and saw it was awful. Tesla's older dash in the original Model S sucked with its classic "touch screen for everything" nonsense; I wonder if they've improved it since I've been in one.
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I'm concerned about what Apple is not doing.
Namely, taking society-changing market-exploding paradigm-shifting risks.
That's what Steve did constantly, with his efforts bearing fruit every few years. (And sometimes failing, sometimes because they were ahead of their time.)
Now they make incremental gains in established markets, while leaving the world-changing to others.
How long do you think a technology company can carry on like that and expect to stay the biggest and best?
I think for a while. They're careful, and their products are better polished than others'. If someone else makes advances, they can follow and adapt it into their ecosystem. It's lame, but it works IMO until another Steve Jobs like person beats them.
Here ya go:
https://9to5mac.com/guides/apple-car/
Meanwhile Tim tried, found out it is risky and expensive to change the world, and quit.
He went back to selling Steve's old ideas and keeping the profit.
Which is a nice way to look after himself and his family.
Too bad for him there is a growing chorus of people who wish he would either get some vision or step aside.
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100%.
A common example is IBM. They stayed relevant for a long time while doing nothing but milking the old ideas.
I can lock/unlock/start my Model S from my iPhone & Apple Watch already.
Benz and Porche will have no option but to follow. What are you doing driving a Benz or Porche anyways!! Are you 65+?
[doublepost=1529534558][/doublepost]Super excited about this. Real keyless entry. I dream of the day where I take nothing when I leave the house but my i
phone.
I had a Mercedes rental in March w/ Carplay and it was pretty cool. But the Tesla UI in my Model S w/ TuneIn and Slackr integration is pretty awesome. Personally, I don't have any desire for Carplay in my Tesla. It might be cool if it had it but the Tesla UI isn't really lacking in comparison...IMO.
You can be pretty sure and wrong. Tony Fadell has talked about his walks with Steve and conversations around building a car and they talked about if Apple built a car what they dash might look like, etc. But that’s as far as it went there. Then again, Steve told Walter Isaacson Apple had “cracked it” regarding Apple TV, but that crack seems to be still cracking years later.
Hopefully the phone/vehicle connection will be local (e.g. Bluetooth). Here's a road scholar that went driving in his Tesla w/out his key, relying solely on the app. Of course then there was no Internet. Keep in mind, he had to know he left his key at home because he would've had to start the car w/ the mobile app in the first place.
https://www.recode.net/2017/1/15/14278516/tesla-stranded-cell-reception-red-rock-canyon
[doublepost=1529535859][/doublepost]Relay attacks are also a potential problem with keyless vehicles in some circumstances:
https://mashable.com/2016/12/07/car-device-thefts/#pvwN5FItzmqP
https://www.recode.net/2017/1/15/14278516/tesla-stranded-cell-reception-red-rock-canyon
[doublepost=1529535859][/doublepost]Relay attacks are also a potential problem with keyless vehicles in some circumstances:
https://mashable.com/2016/12/07/car-device-thefts/#pvwN5FItzmqP
Tesla uses BT and managed to come up with a solution as annoying as the early attempts in the 90s because the car unlocks and turns on when your phone is nearby. The NFC solution should mimic the current keyless entry and drive systems which work much more predictably.
... I have been wanting this for some time. The thought of leaving my house with only my watch is something i really hope becomes a reality.
