All of that has nothing to do with keys. Many cars already have WiFi / LTE. Conceivably, software could be side loaded to exploit the systems already in place.
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Car Consortium That Includes Apple Announces Digital Car Key Specification for Smartphones
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All of that has nothing to do with keys. Many cars already have WiFi / LTE. Conceivably, software could be side loaded to exploit the systems already in place.
I call ********. No difference to my keyless car now. I'm only in trouble if i start the engine.
Your car controlled by a device which is connected to the Internet 24/7 in the context of the “big data” business model, and everybody applauds like crazy. It was already crazy when people applauded to store their private files in someone else’s disks without being payed for it (read iCloud and other clouds), but, man, your car... come on!! They thank Apple for not disclosing their data to the FBI in case of criminal investigation, while they don’t care the total control of their cars is connected to the Internet. The future of humankind is worrying, and not just because of evil, but because of the combination of evil and lack of proper education.
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They already have Phone Keys in the Tesla app. It works great as your phone can remain in your pocket.
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Just like Apple Pay, good luck. Touch/Face ID isn’t a thing for you?
Great idea.
Future iOS update bricks your phone. You're locked out of your car and its immobilized.
Future iOS update bricks your phone. You're locked out of your car and its immobilized.
Most any phones capable of running Tesla's app have BT. Its still possible non-NFC phones exist in the wild. Not to mention Apple's limited access to NFC on their devices makes it difficult to roll out an NFC key app only to have it not work for anyone with an iPhone. Maybe this will change with iOS 12. NFC range is also an issue when trying to duplicate a traditional key fob's functionality over several meters. Perhaps a hybrid of BT/NFC would work best?
Tesla issues Model 3 drivers two valet key cards that can work as a backup. They are the size of a credit card and fit nicely in your wallet or purse. No traditional car keys needed.
I don't believe Tesla is against standards in general. They just may feel they have a better solution. Whatever standard this CCC car key thing ends up being, it may require Tesla to build in features to future cars that Tesla doesn't feel are necessary to accomplish a given goal. Tesla may have another solution that works better for them and is still compatible with whatever their customers use as their phone.
I can't wait for the day all we'll need is our cellphone when getting out of the house; no more wallet and no more keys.
Nice in theory. Impractical and unrealistic I'm reality.
Cae soors
Garage door
House doors
Gym locker
Hotel room safe
Winsow locks at home
Lock on side gate
Lock on tool shed
Lock on cash box
Lock on suit case
Etc etc etx.
All electronic and working with your phone. Just thing about the level of cost and potential for things to go wrong.
In the UK being over the limit and having the ignition key in your possession whilst being in (or even near) the vehicle can be legally sufficient to deem you “drunk in charge of a motor vehicle” unless you can prove otherwise. Of course this will vary from country-to-country depending on what the specific drink driving legislation is. Plenty of references, here’s one: https://www.ibblaw.co.uk/service/road-traffic-offences/drunk-charge-motor-vehicle
Why, oh, why do we need “electronic” keys for cars when the ordinary mechanical key has sufficed for decades? I’m sure that hacks are hard at work to universally break the electronic keys or blow the vehicle’s software so your key no longer functions.
And I've never ever used the actual metal/mechanical key for my current car - key fob is in my pocket, car interior lights come on when I walk up, pulling on the door handle unlocks and opens it (touching inside surface of door handle while electronic key is in close proximity), push the start button to start the car. Oh, and locking the car on the way out is effected by touching a particular spot on the door handle (no mechanical button/switch there) when the electronic key is in close proximity. So the entire locking/unlocking and starting process is electronic and wireless already. No reason the same thing can't be done by a phone with Bluetooth and/or NFC. Friend has a Tesla 3 that works that way.
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Why, oh, why, do we need "smart" phones, when the ordinary rotary mechanical phone has sufficed for decades?
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Would be funny if it wasn't going to the true soon enough!
Already now five year old tech just about bricks the entertainment center of your car.
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The Germans produce the best cars. I have the W12 Audi. Be careful what you wish for.
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In the U.K. the car does not have to be moving, you can be nicked for just being in charge of the vehicle. You could be on your own asleep on the back seat with the keys zipped up in a pocket and still get done if your drunk.
Btw, I think this is a good thing!
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You miss understood the comment. I think it meant “since VW are part of the consortium”.
No Bugatti, thanks but I'll pass
[doublepost=1529580946][/doublepost]Wow, Apple playing with others, i'm speechless.
That's funny, but I see no need to go keyless. One key for the house and one for each car is not a lot in the pocket. I've never had a physical key fail me, but I have had car computers, key fobs, and other keyless parts fail me, so I'll just stick with the physical key.
Sometimes I feel we are always trying to find a new way to be lazy.
Just another "secure" system that WILL be hacked or jailbroken. Maybe not your car, but someone's car will be stolen or disabled. I'm on the "Battlestar Galatica" plan - I'm OK with computers, I just don't want too many of them trying to talk to one another.
I'll keep my physical keys, for my house and my car. I really don't want the 14 year old down the street to be able to buy a software lock hacking tool and with almost no effort, unlock my house or car and take whatever they feel like. Physical locks at least take some skill and effort to try to break into.
Having *everything* controlled by your phone isn't panacea.
I'll keep my physical keys, for my house and my car. I really don't want the 14 year old down the street to be able to buy a software lock hacking tool and with almost no effort, unlock my house or car and take whatever they feel like. Physical locks at least take some skill and effort to try to break into.
Having *everything* controlled by your phone isn't panacea.
Are you guessing or do you have one? Our Model 3 works fine after a software update around March. It only turns on/unlocks when we touch the door handle.