Check out YouTube, there are plenty of tools for picking/cracking any physical lock in seconds without much skill required.
When it comes to securing our home, I have more faith in our sleepy, inattentive dog than in the front door lock.
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Car Consortium That Includes Apple Announces Digital Car Key Specification for Smartphones
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When it comes to securing our home, I have more faith in our sleepy, inattentive dog than in the front door lock.
They all should be working together to figure out a way to keep all the "nutbags" out there from using their cell phones while driving. What use to be just a teen trend, has now filtered down into many "older drivers" habits as well. I can't tell you how many times I've had a distracted cell phone driver either swerve into my lane or cut me off.
They need to make it where the car is inoperable if the drivers cell phone is being used for texting, or is on a call while "said driver" is driving the vehicle. Make it so it WILL BE operable if the driver puts their cell phone thru the speaker system of the car, so they can have both hands on the wheel while driving.
Although, if the person does use their cell phone thru the speakers on their car, and STILL gets into an accident, or gets busted for a driving offense, they should still be ticketed for doing so, just a smaller fine and a misdemeanor offense.
They need to make it where the car is inoperable if the drivers cell phone is being used for texting, or is on a call while "said driver" is driving the vehicle. Make it so it WILL BE operable if the driver puts their cell phone thru the speaker system of the car, so they can have both hands on the wheel while driving.
Although, if the person does use their cell phone thru the speakers on their car, and STILL gets into an accident, or gets busted for a driving offense, they should still be ticketed for doing so, just a smaller fine and a misdemeanor offense.
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If somebody wants the stuff in your car, then a baseball bat through the window is going to be a lot faster than any fancy pants hacking. Not to mention the kind of people who steal crap from other people's cars probably don't have the technical skills to do any of said fancy pants hacking.
I don't want any of this because a key has never failed. Phones have failed. Smartwatches have failed. Many years ago, I woke up to find my iPhone had completely died in the middle of the night. Like, won't turn on despite being fully charged. If my key was in my phone, how do I start my car? What if I have a hardware failure while I'm out, how do I get in my house if my phone is my house key? A physical key has never failed me, and never will fail me.
No, Honda doesn’t have this already. Many cars can be started remotely with a smartphone but you can’t drive away without the key or fob. This is about eliminating the key/fob all together.
Auto theft has droped like a rock since they added new chips to keys in most modern cars. I don’t know if it’s a coincidence or not, but it seems telling.
I’m pretty sure that the kind of people who steal cars and the kind of people who hack computers don’t have a great deal of overlap, so it’s probably going to be about as safe as we have now.
My Tesla Model 3 already locks and unlocks based on when my iPhone is nearby... I'm confused how they're saying this would be different?
Using NFC instead of Bluetooth?
The car already has NFC in it (for the backup keycard) and plenty of compute and power resources at its disposal when it's parked, so I'd imagine an OTA update could add this anyday if Tesla wants to do it.
If this is a big worry, then I expect you might have other issues that should come first!
My father runs an after market parts business while specializes in remote starts for vehicles, and AFAIK keyless entry systems aren't available in the after market, or if they are they are very expensive. It's something that is deeply integrated into the car's computer / onboard electronics, which is programmed by the manufacturer.
Although, what you are looking for isn't any different from a modern keyless entry system. You'd have to buy a new car (or recent model car in the after market), as many are moving to push-to-start. I always keep my key fob in my work bag, and my car detects the key fob from within a couple yards.
It sounds like a good idea and very convenient, however, I am not confident the smartphone is secure enough to use this feature at this time.
From the Driving.co article:
"With such systems the key fob communicates wirelessly with the car. In some vehicles the driver has only to press a start button to drive off as long as the fob is in the car. In others, the fob has to be placed in a slot on the dashboard.
To comply with European regulations requiring independent mechanics and locksmiths, rather than just main dealerships, to be able to replace lost key fobs, many car makers include a feature that allows new fobs to be programmed from data held inside the car’s electronics. The data is protected by security software but some hackers appear to have cracked the codes and developed devices that thieves can use to access the data and program blank fobs."
Therein lies the problem. This is due to European laws, and is frankly an idiotic requirement. The only place you should be able to replace or reprogram a car key is at the dealership, period.
Not guessing. Interested and watching owner experiences on youtube. Glad they improved it.
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IMO, phone should be a secondary option for numerous reasons including valet. That backup card just isn't practical. Perhaps it's cost or lead time for design and implementation.
Have a look at this and tell me if you still think what you said is true. Car crime where cars just disappear is certainly not going down and there is no need to use a baseball bat. You don't have to be a computer hacker to acquire and use the technology to do this.
http://bgr.com/2017/11/27/car-relay-theft-video-how-to-prevent/
In which case, the price of a replacement key should be capped at a reasonable maximum. Dealers currently charge a few hundred dollars for a simple download and 5 minutes of labor. They can do that because they have a monopoly on access to that download.
I get that it’s possible, and maybe there is a danger that this becomes easier and more prevalent. However, the fact that something can happen is not the same as it actually happening.
For example, when touch ID first came out, people thought that thieves would run up, steal your phone, and press your finger against it to unlock it, but that never turned into a common scenario.
Who's the first to be driven off a cliff via remote control over port 8080 within their own car?
"Shall We Play A Game?!"
Or what’s the alternative? Having my $40,000 car potentially stolen because anyone can make one? No thanks, I’ll go with the $200 replacement option from the dealership.
"and something else as backup"
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Also photo ID, an especially tough problem in the US because people don't want there to be a mandatory gov't ID, so driver's license and other things basically work as that instead, and we end up stuck with old tech for those. Not that I mind carrying a super thin piece of plastic, but it sucks security-wise.
Really, why does anyone think this is a needed/good idea, other than it's one more thing smartphones can do, and people who have now been using smartphones and tablets for half their lives are buying cars? It seems like a step backward.
I have keyless entry and starting on a 2015 vehicle, and the key fob is not so large that it's a big deal on my keychain — which never leaves my pocket. The battery in the keyless entry key fob on my previous vehicle lasted the 15 years I owned it. Remind me how often the phone needs to be recharged?
I have keyless entry and starting on a 2015 vehicle, and the key fob is not so large that it's a big deal on my keychain — which never leaves my pocket. The battery in the keyless entry key fob on my previous vehicle lasted the 15 years I owned it. Remind me how often the phone needs to be recharged?
I would be delighted if I could use my Apple Watch for this so I could go to the beach and not have to take a “wet key” in the surf with me. Electronic cars keys and phones are frequently stolen from beaches. I just like to leave a towel on the sand. Plus I can pay for a coffee afterwards with Apple Pay, using the watch.
Phone yes.
How do you do watch? The Tesla app doesn't seem to have an aWatch extension.
And both of these require action by the user. What some of us are asking for is simple presence (like the Tesla key fob works by presence, not by forcing you to click and tap it).
Apple is also working on different apps but this key option is great for apple user and also car holder like this app opportunity
Tesla works on presence of the Bluetooth signal of your iPhone (at least with Model 3). Because of this you don’t need the Apple Watch extension.
For other cars systems from Viper and Compustar will allow you to replace your car keys with an iPhone, of course this is all aftermarket however not OEM. Certain Benz and Ford models allow you to leave the key fob IN the car but lock it up from your iPhone, mimicking the ability to replace your keys with your phone.
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Certain states including mine, Arizona, are piloting a mobile driver license as we speak. AZ partnered with some European company to do so.
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Tesla can add all they want but Apple won’t open up NFC to anything else other than Apple Pay, loyalty cards, and now student ID cards. I bet if they do add this, it’d come to Androids first.
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You’d charge the phone with a power bank or the car itself. Most people should but don’t, charge their phones in the car while they’re driving.
I foresee a problem with this; one scenario: on the odd occasion you may get pulled over for a traffic stop, and the officer asks for your license, registration, and proof of insurance, and frequently takes these items back to their vehicle while they check out who you are and who the vehicle belongs to (and such verification is perfectly reasonable). I'd feel comfortable handing the officer my drivers license (well, as comfortable as one can feel in such circumstances), because the only thing it is is identification, but I would very much not be willing to hand my phone over to a law enforcement officer to take it out of my view for an unspecified period of time, beca
Being able to pull up my drivers license in Apple Wallet to show at the occasional store or other place that wants proof of ID/age wouldn't bother me, but I'd carry my physical drivers license card to hand to law enforcement officials who wanted to see/examine my identification. I don't hand my phone to anyone except those with whom I have trust built up through a longstanding personal relationship (I'll hand my phone to my niece so she can DJ from the back seat, because she knows the limits I've specified and will hand the phone back whenever I ask - I can't trust the motivations of random government officials in the same way).