Careful with your new iPhone 4

[QCassidy352]

You have a right to protect your life and your property. Nobody who is willing to steal a phone deserves to live anyway. I say do away with them all.

Actually, you don't have a right (in most states) to shoot someone who robs you unless they threaten/use violence. Meaning if they snatch and run, you can't legally shoot them to stop their escape. Personally, I think that's absolutely ridiculous, but I don't write the laws.

Do you plan to, should the situation dictate, shoot somebody?

I don't have a gun and live in a state with pretty restrictive gun laws, but are you kidding me? If someone were to try to rob me at knife/gun point or were to break into my home when I was in it, abso-friggin'-loutely I would shoot them, and not just once.

I am all for non-aggression (not non-violence - big difference), but if someone else wants to aggress first, they've bought whatever comes to them. Honestly, I find it incomprehensible that anyone would NOT be willing to use lethal force to prevent grave harm or death to themselves or a loved one.

 

[dtlee1974]

It's funny how people who live where they claim there is never any crime are the ones who feel like they need to carry guns and that they know all about urban areas and how to handle themselves there. It's the same kind of thinking that makes me shake my head when people bomb an abortion clinic, killing doctors to promote the "Right to Life".

I never said there was no crime here. I said I didn't see any indication that iPhones were being specifically targeted. Maybe they are, but there haven't been any police warnings or anything of that sort.

My earlier point was that crime goes down in jurisdictions that allow law abiding citizens to arm themselves if they so choose. That's just a fact. There hasn't been a single state that has seen crime do anything but drop with a right to carry law.

 

[bumzo1]

I agree some of these laws are stupid. I'm not a violent person but if someone wanted to try and rob me you better bet they'll get a bullet or two in there back. Luckily I live in texas so its semi legal

 

[Krafty]

Do you plan to, should the situation dictate, shoot somebody?

If it comes to it, yes.

 

[QCassidy352]

My earlier point was that crime goes down in jurisdictions that allow law abiding citizens to arm themselves if they so choose. That's just a fact. There hasn't been a single state that has seen crime do anything but drop with a right to carry law.

Although you can probably tell from my earlier post that I fundamentally agree with your position, I think the jury's still out on that. Most of the studies finding what you're claiming are sponsored or otherwise linked to pro-gun groups such as the NRA. Studies from non-partisan groups are pretty inconclusive, I believe. For example:
http://www.publichealthlawresearch....nce-brief/“shall-issue”-concealed-weapons-law

The main example usually cited in support of your point is Florida, but that's just one state at one time, and it's only a correlation. Be careful assuming that means the right to carry laws caused the crime drop.

 

[Gagoots]

Scary. The "I refuse to be a victim" sounds like some passive aggressive, little penis, pent up and misguided fantasy that having a gun will make them a more capable man, physically and that is the only way they can walk around with confidence. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Ars Diaboli]

God forbid that such a day should ever come. But if it does, I would give up the phone, if I felt my life was not in danger, I would not shoot. If I was scared that me or any one around me would get hurt by the perpetrator, then I also pray the God lets me shoot straight. I would probably only try to wound first, but if the perp had a gun, it would be a who gets who first situation, and I would be going for right between the eyes. Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6.

 

[QCassidy352]

Scary. The "I refuse to be a victim" sounds like some passive aggressive, little penis, pent up and misguided fantasy that having a gun will make them a more capable man, physically and that is the only way they can walk around with confidence. Just my 2 cents.

That's such crap. Confidence doesn't do a lot for you when someone puts a gun in your face or breaks into your house. If you're faced with the threat of lethal force, you damn well better be willing and able to use lethal force yourself.

 

[8mpg]

Scary. The "I refuse to be a victim" sounds like some passive aggressive, little penis, pent up and misguided fantasy that having a gun will make them a more capable man, physically and that is the only way they can walk around with confidence. Just my 2 cents.

Just remember...when it comes down to me or you getting raped...it wont be me.

 

[Ars Diaboli]

Scary. The "I refuse to be a victim" sounds like some passive aggressive, little penis, pent up and misguided fantasy that having a gun will make them a more capable man, physically and that is the only way they can walk around with confidence. Just my 2 cents.

that is exactly what you sound like.

 

[mb2008]

Scary. The "I refuse to be a victim" sounds like some passive aggressive, little penis, pent up and misguided fantasy that having a gun will make them a more capable man, physically and that is the only way they can walk around with confidence. Just my 2 cents.

Never had a penis. Really don't think carrying a gun will make me safer. But this quote is really quite silly. Wanting to defend yourself = inferiority complex? That's idiotic.

 

[xmarcuswildx]

I had an iraqi try to steal my iphone while i was overseas, needless to say he failed.

 

[mloffa]

Alright then.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion/beliefs but, to me, I would never shoot someone over an iPhone.

Even if they took it violently.
I am not a killer nor will I ever be.

Someone mentioned that I will see things differently when I get older and have more life experience and maybe then I will agree with you guys.

But until then, I still think you guys are nuts.

 

[dtlee1974]

Although you can probably tell from my earlier post that I fundamentally agree with your position, I think the jury's still out on that. Most of the studies finding what you're claiming are sponsored or otherwise linked to pro-gun groups such as the NRA. Studies from non-partisan groups are pretty inconclusive, I believe. For example:
http://www.publichealthlawresearch....nce-brief/“shall-issue”-concealed-weapons-law

The main example usually cited in support of your point is Florida, but that's just one state at one time, and it's only a correlation. Be careful assuming that means the right to carry laws caused the crime drop.

Interesting link. I'll have to sit down and read it. It seems they don't like Lott's data, which is fine. It is hard to get the kind of data needed to study this issue in a meaningful way and sometimes you have to take the best you can get and hope for better later.

One thing is clear though, the opponents of shall issue have long predicted "blood running in the streets" as a result of law abiding citizens being allowed to carry and that most certainly has *not* happened anywhere that it has been tried.

 

[Gagoots]

Never had a penis.

Well, maybe if you stopped carrying a gun, you could get one!


Sorry couldn't refuse.

I would be in favor of letting all the women have the guns. That would be fine.

 

[Gagoots]

that is exactly what you sound like.

Anyone whose signature is "Peace through superior firepower" is not someone that I'm going to spend time debating. I'd rather discuss the proper club circumference with a Neanderthal. Same thing.

 

[mloffa]

Well, maybe if you stopped carrying a gun, you could get one!


Sorry couldn't refuse.

I would be in favor of letting all the women have the guns. That would be fine.

Sexism, much?

 

[msduncan]

I live in a concealed carry state. Nobody's going to take my iPhone.

+1

 

[jbachandouris]

I agree some of these laws are stupid. I'm not a violent person but if someone wanted to try and rob me you better bet they'll get a bullet or two in there back. Luckily I live in texas so its semi legal

Damn I wish I could convince the wife to move with me there! Upstate NY SUCKS!

 

[OOC]

I don't have a gun, but I will be bringing my extendable police batton with me.

 

[msduncan]

So amusing to see the panic laced ( or elitism based) anti concealed carry comments here. I suppose these are the same ppl that pull up to gas stations along the interstate here in the southeast in the fall and panic when they see a shotgun in the front of a hunter's truck.

 

[Gagoots]

Sexism, much?

No. We tried letting the guys run things for a few thousand years, and look where it got us. Plus, I'm a guy. Plus I don't need a gun, I'm happy with my penis and my ability to beat the crap out of others. I walk through Hell's Kitchen every early early dark AM. I don't have a gun. And either should jimjobobbillybob in toad'sdick, KT.

 

[lidomkj]

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I will be carrying legally just in case. Would I shoot someone who runs by snatching my bag and takes off? No. Would I shoot someone when I am not in danger or nobody else is in danger? No. Would I shoot them if they are ripping my finger off in the process? Yes. Think back to the ipad theft story.

 

[mloffa]

No. We tried letting the guys run things for a few thousand years, and look where it got us. Plus, I'm a guy. Plus I don't need a gun, I'm happy with my penis and my ability to beat the crap out of others. I walk through Hell's Kitchen every early early dark AM. I don't have a gun. And either should jimjobobbillybob in toad'sdick, KT.

Touche`.

 

[lidomkj]

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I am also trained in martial arts. Nothing is foolproof in self defense. You have split seconds to make a decision on appropriate use of force and react. Sometimes it is safest to give them what they want than to escalate the situation. The bad guy is at least prepared that they know what they are doing and when. I carry to improve my odds of defending myself and others.