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CES 2010: NVIDIA Tegra 2 to Power Tablets in 2010
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Nobody called bull on the assertion that this has graphics performance like XBox 360 and PS3? Hey, maybe it's true, but that demo they were showing could look almost exactly the same on an original XBox or Gamecube. Just sayin'.
It's still amazing for a portable device! Indeed, the rumor is that the DS successor will contain this chip and that could be a lot of fun -- would that make the upcoming DS successor a better graphics performer than the Wii? Wait, what forum am I on? Oh yeah...
As far as this making it into Apple's tablet, odds seem against it, BUT Apple is valuing gaming like never before. The iPod Touch is making money because of games primarily and I seriously doubt that would be ignored when deciding the final specs for the tablet. Does anyone think there will be no game demonstrations on the Tablet on the 26th/27th?
Every manufacturer is on board with tablets right now because they are afraid of being left in the dust and playing major catch up like they had to do with the iPhone. The Apple tablet has been a forgone conclusion for awhile and although these guys don't know what exactly they'll be competing with they are in a MUCH better position than they were against the iPhone. Frankly, that's good for ALL of us.
It's still amazing for a portable device! Indeed, the rumor is that the DS successor will contain this chip and that could be a lot of fun -- would that make the upcoming DS successor a better graphics performer than the Wii? Wait, what forum am I on? Oh yeah...
As far as this making it into Apple's tablet, odds seem against it, BUT Apple is valuing gaming like never before. The iPod Touch is making money because of games primarily and I seriously doubt that would be ignored when deciding the final specs for the tablet. Does anyone think there will be no game demonstrations on the Tablet on the 26th/27th?
Every manufacturer is on board with tablets right now because they are afraid of being left in the dust and playing major catch up like they had to do with the iPhone. The Apple tablet has been a forgone conclusion for awhile and although these guys don't know what exactly they'll be competing with they are in a MUCH better position than they were against the iPhone. Frankly, that's good for ALL of us.
He didn't say it matched the xbox 360 or ps3, he said it brought it up to next gen standards. (When will next gen become current gen?) Without knowing more about what that means and what the chip can do he could be completely correct.
You're on the sarcastic jerk forum?
I wouldn't be surprised if 50% of the demos are games at this point (with a single medical app thrown in along with the usual productivity stuff).
You act like there weren't any smart phones on the market when the iPhone came out. There were, they just all sucked. Same can be said of the tablets/slates/pads/whatever-we're-calling-them-today. Only Android/Chrome OS looks to be competitive at all and they haven't released one yet either.
Apple wasn't even at CES, but they're all anyone really thought about. LOL, Apple evens sets agendas for conventions they aren't attending. That is insane.
Same thing happened at the Barcelona convention. No wonder Apple doesn't attend these events. They don't have to. It's all about them anyway . . . plus some new TV technologies. But what's everyone blogging about the next day? Apple.
Same thing happened at the Barcelona convention. No wonder Apple doesn't attend these events. They don't have to. It's all about them anyway . . . plus some new TV technologies. But what's everyone blogging about the next day? Apple.
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Just because YOU have an iPhone doesn't mean everyone does. I for one hope that this Tablet comes with 3G phone capabilities, as I don't yet have an iPhone and this could be a device that covers that base. I'm not thinking that the big market for this Tablet is people who already own a touch-screen 3G device (just with a smaller screen). Those with an iPhone can buy it without using it's 3G functionality... if they want a bigger iPhone-like device. Those without an iPhone might choose to buy this Tablet INSTEAD of an iPhone, getting their iPhone needs covered in this ONE device.
No 3G inside means no subsidized pricing options. So if you get what you want, you pay the TOTAL price Apple will want for this device. On the other hand, if it has an OPTIONAL benefit to also cover 3G phone/data use, then it means that the likes of a a 3G partner(s) can chip in on the TOTAL price that Apple will want for it, yielding the rumored "shockingly low price".
Either way, building in 3G isn't adding hundreds to the cost of this thing. Leaving out 3G makes it lose very tangible benefits, including always-connected when you are outside of the reach of wifi. An ultimate "mobile" device needs a way to readily connect while it is moving around. If not 3G inside (with optional contract), then what?
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WTF are you babbling on about now?
You say this, yet here we are on a mac forum discussing competitors products. As this is the case isn't it in fact the other way round?
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WTF are you babbling on about now?
You say this, yet here we are on a mac forum discussing competitors products. As this is the case isn't it in fact the other way round?
You are on an Apple related site, of course people here are going to talk about Apple and how the products relate. On the computer site I go to slates and tablet talk are getting little comments, and the comments they get are mostly about the specs and power of the thing.
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Its true! On TUAW and Appleinsider, all they are posting about is Apple.
I do wonder what blogs LTD does frequent.... All the generic tech blogs I've seen have had posts about all the new stuff on show at CES.
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Its true! On TUAW and Appleinsider, all they are posting about is Apple.
I do wonder what blogs LTD does frequent.... All the generic tech blogs I've seen have had posts about all the new stuff on show at CES.
Why this grotesque violence???
Was it really necessary for them to choose such a sickening video game with exploding bodies, blood flying and smoldering heads rolling around? Is making money so important that they have to produce such pure garbage? Does no one else get upset by this anymore or are people so desensitized to it? Why did macrumors editors have to post it? Why don't people just say no?
Was it really necessary for them to choose such a sickening video game with exploding bodies, blood flying and smoldering heads rolling around? Is making money so important that they have to produce such pure garbage? Does no one else get upset by this anymore or are people so desensitized to it? Why did macrumors editors have to post it? Why don't people just say no?
From Cnet as part of an article talking about "slate-mania" griping PC-makers at CES (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-31045_1-10429607-269.html?tag=newsEditorsPicksArea.0):
"Of course, all of these products are operating under the very long shadow of Apple's still-unannounced tablet."
From Reuters article talking about tablets at CES (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0824224520100108?type=marketsNews):
"Call it a "slate" or call it a "tablet," the technology world is suddenly awash with a novel category of mobile devices seeking to grab the spotlight from a hugely anticipated product launch by Apple Inc (AAPL.O) later this month."
From SF Gate saying tablets are making a big splash at CES (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/01/07/BUU51BF46D.DTL):
"The iPhone has been a key forerunner for the tablet and will presumably help guide the development of an Apple slate device, which is rumored to be unveiled later this month."
There were also articles that talked about tablets with NO mention of Apple. I'm not saying he's completely correct in saying that Apple is "all" everyone is thinking of at CES with regards to tablets, but he's not that far in saying that in the dicussion of Windows/Android tablets at an event not attended by Apple, there are a good amount of mentions about Apple and their month-end event.
The violence used to be pixellated in 8-bit.
Plus, this is what passes for "entertainment" these days. Rather sad, I agree. Not too sure what to do about it other than to not buy such products.
Apple gets mentioned in nearly every product review. An absent Apple was looming over the entire event.
Market leader with the iPhone for sure, no one had a full capacitive touchscreen with such an intuitive interface. Now everyone has full touchscreen phone. Market leader for the app store, if you don't have an app store with your product now, might as well bin it. Ovi, Android store, Intel Atom Store, etc.
Market leader in desirable notebooks. Apple have always had the most expensive, coveted, aesthetically pleasing laptops. It's an aspirational product, not a hack job laptop with bits added on as an afterthought. Resale value is high because of it.
See that's where you lose me (and likely why the other guys are jumping on you). Of course it's just your opinion, but if you say that Apple is looming over the entire event, it's really easy for anyone to call you out on that, because CES is a HUGE event and there are many categories of devices/products where you would see NO mention of Apple or any of its products.
If you were to say something like, Apple has a presence (not looming over the whole event), Apple is mentioned in many articles (not saying all articles), Apple is getting a lot of attention (and not saying all of the attention), I get the impression that you wouldn't get attacked as much... sorry, just trying to help out.
Nice links and all, but like I said, the PC site that I go to, outside of the Apple universe, while Apple might get a mention when talking about tablets, people are outside of the Apple universe who are not Apple obsess don't really care as much as people here. The comments are mostly about the specs of the Tegra or whatever hardware is being used. I said that because I think LTD is his name was insinuating that everyone was basically just living and dying on what Apple is doing, and maybe he doesn't visit non Apple relate sites.
Apple has to bring something really special to the table(t) if I´m buying into this. Seeing them "live" just makes me think what an odd size they are. Where the hell I´m I going to keep it?
Might as welll lug my laptop around.
PS I will probably eat my words one day
Might as welll lug my laptop around.
PS I will probably eat my words one day
Although not in attendance, Apple pervades CES show
"Apple, as usual, doesnt have a presence at the Consumer Electronics Show, but, as usual, its still one of the most dominant companies on the show floor," Chris Morris reports for CNBC.
"The app explosion is well underway. Apple announced earlier this week that over 3 billion widgets and programs for the iPhone and iPod Touch have been downloaded from the app store since its July 2008 launchan average of 350 per second," Morris reports. "Apps are also big business at this years CES. Hundreds of exhibitors at the show are pitching them along with their their other new offerings. Recognizing the trend, the Consumer Electronics Association, which hosts CES, this year introduced a separate area called the iLounge, where 100 exhibitors with Apple-related products, including apps, are able to showcase their products."
Morris reports, "The app is evolving. Consumer electronics companies are integrating them with physical, real-world devices, letting users use their iPhone to control things around their home... '[Were seeing] an amalgamation of sorts,' says Minh Doan, vice president of engineering for Unity4Life, which is working with AudioVox on the Zentral line. 'People are getting rid of their extra remotes and unifying devices onto their iPhones.'"
http://www.cnbc.com/id/34704736/site/14081545
Apple's influence reigns over CES
Tech show gives nod to products with iLounge Pavilion
By Suzanne Choney
msnbc.com
updated 8:13 p.m. ET, Tues., Jan. 5, 2010
LAS VEGAS - While Apple isn't participating and never has in the annual Consumer Electronics Show, the company's presence has long loomed over it. That's no different this year, with non-stop buzz about an Apple tablet possibly being announced later this month. What is different is that Apple-related products are being given their own showcase at CES, a first for the world's largest trade show for consumer technology.
Considering Apple's influence in the world of personal technology, it may seem like a "no duh" and years overdue. But historically, Apple took part in the annual Macworld conference, generally held around the same time as CES, often stealing its thunder with new product announcements, from the iPhone to iPods.
This year, Apple is not participating in Macworld, but the Consumer Electronics Association, sponsor of CES, is providing an "iLounge Pavilion," where more than 100 exhibitors will be showing iPhone, iPod and Mac-related wares . . .
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34634569/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets/
"Apple, as usual, doesnt have a presence at the Consumer Electronics Show, but, as usual, its still one of the most dominant companies on the show floor," Chris Morris reports for CNBC.
"The app explosion is well underway. Apple announced earlier this week that over 3 billion widgets and programs for the iPhone and iPod Touch have been downloaded from the app store since its July 2008 launchan average of 350 per second," Morris reports. "Apps are also big business at this years CES. Hundreds of exhibitors at the show are pitching them along with their their other new offerings. Recognizing the trend, the Consumer Electronics Association, which hosts CES, this year introduced a separate area called the iLounge, where 100 exhibitors with Apple-related products, including apps, are able to showcase their products."
Morris reports, "The app is evolving. Consumer electronics companies are integrating them with physical, real-world devices, letting users use their iPhone to control things around their home... '[Were seeing] an amalgamation of sorts,' says Minh Doan, vice president of engineering for Unity4Life, which is working with AudioVox on the Zentral line. 'People are getting rid of their extra remotes and unifying devices onto their iPhones.'"
http://www.cnbc.com/id/34704736/site/14081545
Apple's influence reigns over CES
Tech show gives nod to products with iLounge Pavilion
By Suzanne Choney
msnbc.com
updated 8:13 p.m. ET, Tues., Jan. 5, 2010
LAS VEGAS - While Apple isn't participating and never has in the annual Consumer Electronics Show, the company's presence has long loomed over it. That's no different this year, with non-stop buzz about an Apple tablet possibly being announced later this month. What is different is that Apple-related products are being given their own showcase at CES, a first for the world's largest trade show for consumer technology.
Considering Apple's influence in the world of personal technology, it may seem like a "no duh" and years overdue. But historically, Apple took part in the annual Macworld conference, generally held around the same time as CES, often stealing its thunder with new product announcements, from the iPhone to iPods.
This year, Apple is not participating in Macworld, but the Consumer Electronics Association, sponsor of CES, is providing an "iLounge Pavilion," where more than 100 exhibitors will be showing iPhone, iPod and Mac-related wares . . .
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34634569/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets/
I have to agree with you that most people on these forums are either die-hard Apple fans or Apple haters. However, you cannot deny that in terms of the tablet/slate news at CES, everyone sort of is "living and dying on what Apple is doing."
You talk about specs and whatnot... please provide a link to a company's tablet with full specs. I may be wrong, but so far all I've seen (other than Lenovo) is a flat touch panel and a brief statement: "We have a tablet. We can't tell you anything about it, but we have one. We also have no idea why you want to buy it."
I don't know about you, but to me that indicates everyone is waiting for Apple...
There is currently no "outside of the Apple universe." You're in the middle of it, whether you like it or not. And it's getting more influential and more relevant to everything that has anything to do with tech, by the day.
The problem other companies are going to have is how do they create a tablet that is something more than a glorified picture frame with a clunky web browser.
I don't understand how people can be so oblivious to what Apple are going to do with this mystical product. It's fairly obvious..
You take a iPhone and all that comes with it. You increase it's size and power making it easier to use with a wider array of gestures and a much improved UI.
You take an already well established music store and the emerging "app store", developers will flock to make Applications for it that will do doubt become more complex and useful given the extra power, UI, screen size so much more functionality will come out of that alone.
Games - bigger screen, more power + App store.
Video - It hasn't taken off as well as it could, but given the increased screen size and the entire device being revolved around content I'd expect it to pick up steam.
... crucially though it's all about Books, Magazines/journals and News Papers and their delivery through itunes. Apple will offer a very easy, simply and hugely profitable way for publishers to allow itunes users to view their content... content that will be displayed in a way thats so much more rich than looking at a website, a scan of a book or files you click on to view. It'll be integrated in one, flowing experience you subscribe to at a fraction of the cost.
Obviously it depends who they have signed up for it and even without the "book store" it would still be a hugely desirable device but the ebook market is a cash cow at the minute and it's screaming for somebody to come in, put it under one roof, offer a profitable solution that will instantly bring millions of customers in.... and that's where Apple come in.
I don't understand how people can be so oblivious to what Apple are going to do with this mystical product. It's fairly obvious..
You take a iPhone and all that comes with it. You increase it's size and power making it easier to use with a wider array of gestures and a much improved UI.
You take an already well established music store and the emerging "app store", developers will flock to make Applications for it that will do doubt become more complex and useful given the extra power, UI, screen size so much more functionality will come out of that alone.
Games - bigger screen, more power + App store.
Video - It hasn't taken off as well as it could, but given the increased screen size and the entire device being revolved around content I'd expect it to pick up steam.
... crucially though it's all about Books, Magazines/journals and News Papers and their delivery through itunes. Apple will offer a very easy, simply and hugely profitable way for publishers to allow itunes users to view their content... content that will be displayed in a way thats so much more rich than looking at a website, a scan of a book or files you click on to view. It'll be integrated in one, flowing experience you subscribe to at a fraction of the cost.
Obviously it depends who they have signed up for it and even without the "book store" it would still be a hugely desirable device but the ebook market is a cash cow at the minute and it's screaming for somebody to come in, put it under one roof, offer a profitable solution that will instantly bring millions of customers in.... and that's where Apple come in.
I would have thought that it's because Apple are in the same segment as most of the others (consumer electronics), not some whimsical desire for these companies to beat Apple.
The most overlooked reason that this is the year of the slate/tablet is because finally electronic devices are able to be manufactured small enough and still perform well.
Actually, the "Tablet PC" was finally dying off in favor of netbooks... until the rumors of an Apple Tablet kicked into high gear, now everybody and their mother are scrambling to make a "tablet", all showing prototypes but none of them shipping until later in the year. And with the discovery that Apple acquired the iSlate domain and trademark... now people are even calling their tablets "slates" at CES instead of tablets (yes, kdarling, before you comment, I know your argument of how that term has been used since "such in such" date, but it hasn't been used in a long while until this Apple news.)
THIS truly shows how everyone are [finally] trying to anticipate what Apple are possibly going to do, and most news agencies, Apple related or not, are mentioning Apple's influence over CES... companies now know Apple are the ones to beat, and they aren't going to wait around this time like they did when the iPhone was first announced. Unfortunately for them, they're still not going to get it right the way Apple will. Mark my words.
Spec was just a general term that I used. What I meant is that they are more interested in how powerful it is, (People have a sense of how powerful Tegra 2 and Atoms processors are). And about how it can be useful, or a waster of money, price. People outside of the Apple universe, who don't have macs generally look for what a product can do, and the price, not the brand. Like they are not thinking about Apple or the islate obsessively, and ltd insinuated that.
I highly doubt that as the price differences between Netbooks and Tablet pc's is immense. The Hewlett Packard TC4400 is still around £800 compared to your average £200 to £300 netbook.
EDIT: Also, there are already small, internet enabled devices (Like my Archos) on the market.
No, it was pretty much anticipated, with Windows 7 supporting touch screen from the start. Also with computer power catching up with something the size of a tablet.
My point was, people are not buying tablets like they are buying netbooks; and I don't consider the little media devices like the Archos or what Dell showed at CES as a "tablet" (not even the iPod Touch... a tablet, to me at least means a 7 to 10 inch screen.) But ever since the Apple tablet rumors, now they [seem to be] all scrambling to make a new breed of tablet to compete with Apple. You can't deny this.
Bottom line is, if the Apple rumors are true, Apple will show a tablet at the end of this month, ship in March and the companies showing their "slates" at CES right now will still not have brought anything to market... just watch. And the real shocker will be when Apple reveals the name of their tablet as the "Mac Touch" (I love the way Apple uses selective misinformation to throw the whole industry off... that's true Information Warfare!)