Chinese Report Expects 11-Inch iPad Pro at WWDC, No New iPhones Until Second Half of 2018

[eVolcre]

Oh yes, this is essentially what I wanted! I was thinking 11.5" but this would do. I'm hoping we can get the 12.9" UI scale in this device. Let's do some math:

12.9" resolution: 2732 x 2048
@3X retina: 4098 x 3072

What I'm hoping for:
~11.2" iPad Pro "4K" at 4098 x 3072: 458 PPI

iPhone X PPI: 458 PPI (Apple sometimes likes to keep PPIs across devices, especially if this thing ends up with an OLED, but in all likelihood I don't see that happening until the generation after this new one)

iPad Pro 10.5" physical dimensions: 9.8" x 6.8" = ~11.9" diagonal to work with and contain ~11.2" display

iPad Pro 10.5" display dimensions: 8.4 x 6.3 = 10.5" diagonal

iPad Pro "4K" 11.2" display dimensions: ~9 x ~6.7 = ~11.2" diagonal

Top and bottom bezel: 0.4" (enough to contain Face ID sensors, camera, etc)

Side bezels: 0.05" (basically none, though I've been rounding some, so it might be up to 0.1", it's all hypothetical anyway, or maybe they'll make it just slightly wider like the iPhone X and so that people have to rebuy accessories).

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Alternatively, they could "upgrade" the 10.5" to 2732 x 2048 and the ~326 PPI would be the same as the iPhone 8.

Another option is to scale up the 10.5" resolution by roughly the increase in size to 11" to maintain PPI and then take that @3X gives you nearly the same 401 PPI as the iPhone 8 Plus.

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Anyone else come up with something better?

Couldn’t follow all the math and I think you have a typo up there. There’s two phsyxial dimensions for the iPad Pro 10.5. Other than that yeah I agree.

Give me a 11.3 inch screen in the same (or slightly larger) phsysical size of the 10.5. My dream machine. If they can bump up the resolution to have the same UI and two full screen apps as the 12.9 that’s just a bonus.

Either way. Whatever this machine costs it’s an instant buy. I want to transition my workflow over to the IPP. 12.9 too big, 10.5 too small. This’ll do it for me.

 

[kaneda]

And more expensive, $200 or $300 more?

 

[citysnaps]

What is with these sizes ( if this is indeed true)?! Stick to a size and stay with it.

Why?

I don't mind having choices.

 

[ValO]

If they keep the overall device the same size but just take out the home button and so on you will be able to keep that keyboard.
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Yea but they can tell people that there is a less expensive iPad called iPad, the pro will probably get a price increase but not as much as if they had put an OLED screen in it. Just my guess.

Yes,
But that is the problem. You can’ t squeeze an 11 inch into the 10.5 inch body or they should remove sidebezels completely. If they make the ipad 11 inch a little bit wider, then the keyboard won’ t fit as well as a smart cover.

I hope apple won’ t change aspect ratio like with the iphone x to make the display taller but keeping the same width. But they could.

Or apple could just make and sell a new keyboard cover, it is the apple way unfortunately. Again a new accesoiry, that generates more revenue.

If they make a new cover, i am hoping for one with a simple trackpad for message and text intensive apps.

 

[doomfront]

Why do you hate using your MBP, out of curiosity? Is it a 2016-17 model?

Oh no, it's 2011 or 2012 I think. So it definitely shows it age in terms of speed even though all I use it for is web browsing. I have a desktop PC where I do all of my grad school work and game so there's really no point in upgrading to another MBP, that's why I really want an iPad instead

 

[macduke]

Couldn’t follow all the math and I think you have a typo up there. There’s two phsyxial dimensions for the iPad Pro 10.5. Other than that yeah I agree.

Give me a 11.3 inch screen in the same (or slightly larger) phsysical size of the 10.5. My dream machine. If they can bump up the resolution to have the same UI and two full screen apps as the 12.9 that’s just a bonus.

Either way. Whatever this machine costs it’s an instant buy. I want to transition my workflow over to the IPP. 12.9 too big, 10.5 too small. This’ll do it for me.

I don't think so. I listed physical and then display. Physical is the device itself. I was putting that in to show what size display could fit in the same size device.

As for the in-betweener, it would be so nice! I don't really think they need two iPad Pros. Consolidate them to increase margins on the iPad line and create a difference from the 9.7". Right now the 10.5" is too close in size. As long as I can have full portrait height apps side by side I'm good too. That's the main reason I want it, along with liking the way web pages look at that UI scale. Otherwise I can see them shrinking the bezels on the 12.9" while making it lighter.

If we don't get an in-betweener in the next update then I'll just wait for the update after that and get the trimmed down 12.9" and hope I don't hate it like I did with the iPhone 6 Plus. Though this time I'd return it and not try to live with it for a year! I'm very wary of buying the big size after that.

 

[DNichter]

And more expensive, $200 or $300 more?

I wouldn't think so. OLED / TrueDepth were the big drivers for increased costs for the X. TrueDepth costs will come down as the manufacturing of the parts have stabilized and there won't be an OLED screen. I am thinking they start at $699 for 64GB, which would be a day 1 buy for me.

 

[tipoo]

Sounds unlike them to create all the tooling for the display and assembly and everything for the 10.5, for only one round. Seems weird.

Or maybe ideally, the budget iPad just gets the 10.5 production line while the Pro loses more bezel for 11.

Can't wait for the event!

 

[bingeciren]

I

"The first new models of the year will likely be the so-called iPhone X2, iPhone X2 Plus, and a 6.1-inch aluminum iPhone with Face ID in September."

iPhone X2? This would be pronounced iPhone 10 2. Who is the "genius" who came up with this idea?

I guess they wanted to avoid calling it XS, which is pronounced as excess

 

[itsmilo]

"The first new models of the year will likely be the so-called iPhone X2, iPhone X2 Plus, and a 6.1-inch aluminum iPhone with Face ID in September."

iPhone X2? This would be pronounced iPhone 10 2. Who is the "genius" who came up with this idea?

To be honest I have yet to come across a single person including me who says „iPhone ten“ and not X

 

[RoadWarrior56]

Maybe eventually Apple could merge the entry level 9.7 inch iPad with the Mini by producing the 9.7" entry level unit with the tiny bezel that could provide a device not much larger than the Mini, but with the larger 9.7" screen. As an iPad Mini fan, I would jump on one of those devices. Unfortunately Apple probably won't make one any time soon, because it would not meet a low price point. I am not holding my breath on a Mini update.

 

[DNichter]

Maybe eventually Apple could merge the entry level 9.7 inch iPad with the Mini by producing the 9.7" entry level unit with the tiny bezel that could provide a device not much larger than the Mini, but with the larger 9.7" screen. As an iPad Mini fan, I would jump on one of those devices. Unfortunately Apple probably won't make one any time soon, because it would not meet a low price point. I am not holding my breath on a Mini update.

I think you are spot on here. The gap is being closed between those two devices.

 

[eVolcre]

Yes,
But that is the problem. You can’ t squeeze an 11 inch into the 10.5 inch body or they should remove sidebezels completely. If they make the ipad 11 inch a little bit wider, then the keyboard won’ t fit as well as a smart cover.

I hope apple won’ t change aspect ratio like with the iphone x to make the display taller but keeping the same width. But they could.

Or apple could just make and sell a new keyboard cover, it is the apple way unfortunately. Again a new accesoiry, that generates more revenue.

If they make a new cover, i am hoping for one with a simple trackpad for message and text intensive apps.

Please don’t change aspect ratio. Long and skinny is HORRIBLE for tablets.

They could make it wider, oh no! Wait. Realized as I was typing that doesn’t work. The old keyboard would fit on the long side but it wouldn’t cover the new larger wide side. Hmm.

Check macdukes post on the previous page. He’s done the math and implies that a 11.2 screen could fit in the current chassis.
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I don't think so. I listed physical and then display. Physical is the device itself. I was putting that in to show what size display could fit in the same size device.

As for the in-betweener, it would be so nice! I don't really think they need two iPad Pros. Consolidate them to increase margins on the iPad line and create a difference from the 9.7". Right now the 10.5" is too close in size. As long as I can have full portrait height apps side by side I'm good too. That's the main reason I want it, along with liking the way web pages look at that UI scale. Otherwise I can see them shrinking the bezels on the 12.9" while making it lighter.

If we don't get an in-betweener in the next update then I'll just wait for the update after that and get the trimmed down 12.9" and hope I don't hate it like I did with the iPhone 6 Plus. Though this time I'd return it and not try to live with it for a year! I'm very wary of buying the big size after that.

Got it. Will reread.

Pretty sure we ARE getting the in betweener. If we don’t I still wouldn’t buy a 12.9 even with reduced bezels. It’s like having a 50” HDTV 2 feet from my eyes. Simply doesn’t work as a tablet. Anyway even for laptops I’ve always preferred the 11 to 12 inch range.

The 9.7 ... here’s my wild theory actually. Maybe next year a merge of the mini and the 9.7. If the mini goes bezelless I read somewhere you can fit a 9.7 screen in there. I don’t see the 9.7 chassis going bezelless because a larger screen goes into IPP territory. The other way makes sense (9.7 ish screen in a smalller chassis)

Maybe even two models. A normal cheap entry level and a mini pro with pencil.
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Maybe eventually Apple could merge the entry level 9.7 inch iPad with the Mini by producing the 9.7" entry level unit with the tiny bezel that could provide a device not much larger than the Mini, but with the larger 9.7" screen. As an iPad Mini fan, I would jump on one of those devices. Unfortunately Apple probably won't make one any time soon, because it would not meet a low price point. I am not holding my breath on a Mini update.

I was typing at the same time as you and said literally the same thing. Wild!!!

 

[Dave245]

Yes,
But that is the problem. You can’ t squeeze an 11 inch into the 10.5 inch body or they should remove sidebezels completely. If they make the ipad 11 inch a little bit wider, then the keyboard won’ t fit as well as a smart cover.

I hope apple won’ t change aspect ratio like with the iphone x to make the display taller but keeping the same width. But they could.

Or apple could just make and sell a new keyboard cover, it is the apple way unfortunately. Again a new accesoiry, that generates more revenue.

If they make a new cover, i am hoping for one with a simple trackpad for message and text intensive apps.

Yes they can if they remove the home button which they are rumoured to do it will save space as with the iPhone X

 

[eVolcre]

Maybe eventually Apple could merge the entry level 9.7 inch iPad with the Mini by producing the 9.7" entry level unit with the tiny bezel that could provide a device not much larger than the Mini, but with the larger 9.7" screen. As an iPad Mini fan, I would jump on one of those devices. Unfortunately Apple probably won't make one any time soon, because it would not meet a low price point. I am not holding my breath on a Mini update.

There’s a new low cost iPad coming out. That covers the price point. A mini pro (mini chassis larger screen pencil support) is now premium and even though it may be “smaller” they could get away with charging a serious premium for it. I’d buy. Mini is the perfect device siZe wise for couch surfing , reading , email triage etc

 

[HarryWild]

Yes, but I wouldn't pay $349 for one. Try to find a good used one, or buy one from your carrier (Cricket, Total Wireless, etc., sell them for $159) if possible.

It is buyers like you and action like that that puts pressure on Apple to make it cheap and purchased as a no status iPhone that even teenagers avoid carrying and carrier sales rep slander the SE as one of the "low price phones" that we carry for those on a budget!

 

[Cosmosent]

The #1 spec everyone should be looking for, for any new mobile product, from Apple or anyone else, is whether it supports Rec. 2100 (i.e., HDR Video support).

The most important parts of that is ICtCp @ 1080p HD.

4K UHD HDR video is NOT practical in mobile.

1080p HD HDR video is, and will soon dominate.

To anyone considering buying ANY new mobile product, make sure it supports Rec. 2100 !

10-bit color "capture" & "display" is integral to it all.

Vivid Colors, when displayed, have an "algorithm crosstalk" problem with the Rec. 2020 color space, but NOT with ICtCp ... if you remember just a single thing today, try to make it this statement.

 

[HarryWild]

I still wish they called it the MaxiPad

Females customers would be very mad and the makers of that help ad would file big lawsuit too!

 

[The Game 161]

Glad 12.9 is still getting Face ID

 

[techconc]

Seems like Apple decided that the most important thing to copy from Android, is fragmentation.

I don't think you understand the concept of how auto layout works nor do you understand that Android fragmentation has more to do with the sea of Android devices stuck on old OS releases that can't be updated.

 

[tipoo]

Seems weird to make all the tooling for the 10.5 for only one generation.

Ideally if the 10.5 moves to 11, the budget iPad takes over the 10.5's size and assembly line. Even if without ProMotion that would be a nice upgrade.

 

[StellarVixen]

My Air 2 is still serving me well, (I am using it for web browsing, GarageBand and play some games occasionally), but this will probably make me upgrade (if it's gonna look anything remotely like the concept above).

 

[techconc]

This "Fragmentation" is related more toward having one Apple OS for all devices. Apple OS and Apple OS Mobile. It's been fairly clear IMO anyhow that this has been the direction for a while now. iOS 11 is a piece of fragmented bloatware, as is High Sierra. The square peg is not ready to go in the round hole, and we are all Beta Testers due to being locked in the Garden. Shame on you Apple.

That's a rather baseless claim that you made. What do you have to offer that brings any credibility whatsoever to this claim? If you want to bash Apple, that's fine, I have no issue with that... just provide some justification for what you day. iOS 11 is not bloated, nor is High Sierra. Also, bloated relative to what?
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No iPad has ever had an OLED screen, so no iPad has ever had PWM dimming which causes headaches for many people. A separate but related issue is that the current iPad has a 120hz display with ProMotion that makes everything smooth as butter. This is impossible on an OLED.

Who says 120hz display is impossible with OLED? LG for example already makes an 120hz OLED display. I would be first to agree that there is no need for the iPad to go OLED, but I also do challenge your claim about what is and what is not possible.

 

[cpatrick08]

"The first new models of the year will likely be the so-called iPhone X2, iPhone X2 Plus, and a 6.1-inch aluminum iPhone with Face ID in September."

iPhone X2? This would be pronounced iPhone 10 2. Who is the "genius" who came up with this idea?

Or 10 squared which is 100

 

[patseguin]

I wonder how they'll deal with incidental contact on an iPad with a super slim bezel like that. Even on my 10.5 I am constantly touching the edge the way I hold it and am scrolling to the tops of web pages all the time.