Classic Mac Startup Chime Not Present in New MacBook Pros

[honeycombz]

A couple of other thoughts-some people have mentioned start-up diagnostics.

PRAM resets can sometimes take longer than someone who has never done one realizes, and the chime is the only real clue that you've actually done it. In fact, when I write up how-tos on older Macs(we have some at work running legacy hardware) and put in a diagnostic section, I always have to specify to keep holding the keys UNTIL you hear a second chime.

Many other boot options-like boot selector-have to be done before the chime. Again, it serves more of a function than just adding to the Mac experience.

The PRAM reset is a good point. They will probably remove that ability next so everyone can just bring their macbook watch to the genius bar so they can tell you its obsolete and hand you an ipad pencil to use with your watch so you can message scribbles to people.

 

[KPOM]

But the Apple logo isn't gone is it?

Technology comes and goes. Brand identity is the most valuable thing any company can own. The Macintosh is one of its most valuable brands, and the startup sound is part of that brand identity, no less valuable than the Apple logo -- whatever color or colors it happens to be.

I think it's a bit overblown. Remember Macs never needed to be restarted as often as Windows PCs, anyway. Steve Jobs wanted instant on, which is why he went with SSDs before the rest of the market. And removing the backlighting from the logo helps them achieve the thin design of the display. It's still very distinctively a MacBook and Apple has high brand awareness as it is.

 

[bernuli]

I really hope there is a way to disable auto-startup. It's a needless convenience.

It's a full on problem as far as I am concerned.

 

[honeycombz]

Next they are going to remove the spacebar off the keyboards and tell everyone to ask Siri to make a space.

 

[bernuli]

Automatic startup on lid open is just plain stupid. Wake from sleep, yes, useful. Start-up from off, no. I want to choose if/when I power it on.
Can we at least shut it down while the lid is open?

Exactly. People that want action when the lid is opened probably never shutdown anyway, just close the lid and assume it goes to sleep.

 

[tech4all]

Next they are going to remove the spacebar off the keyboards and tell everyone to ask Siri to make a space.

Or remove the keyboard all together so we have to speak our text. Then no more keyboards, just a screen...oh that's an iPad...

 

[iPaintCode]

Maybe Scott Forstall will come back and bring back the good parts of Jobs.

 

[kstotlani]

Spot on. However it's too late. The new MBP's. It's not about a lack of a chime, or a cable, or the design. It's the $500 price increase. Tim is playing with fire in the Enterprise. Deep Enterprise price cuts will required to keep the adoption rate on a positive growth rate. If companies move more toward the new Redmond offerings it will disrupt Apple's Budding Services Sector. That could a much larger concern than iPhone sales.

You'll notice the MBP without the Bar has MUCH slower Memory. A feature shared with the 32g iPhone 7 versus the 128g, and 256g. This is the new trend to steer customers into hardware with higher margins. So Tim can continue to serve his shareholders, not the customers. I have a Rob Zombie quote for Tim. "Bow down before the one you serve. Your going to get what you deserve."

Spot on. Price is one big reason about most people whining about other small reasons. You are right about the enterprise. Remember the article which said IBM saves approx $500 per Mac laptop in support costs. Tim wanted to make sure that corporates don't get away with such savings. More for Apple and him.

 

[EightyTwenty]

Apple is a phone & services company now. They have nothing to do with personal computers anymore. That should be obvious to anyone who is paying attention.

 

[kstotlani]

Actually the first positive thing I read about this laptop. I always wanted to get rid of that sound on my iMac. If you had the volume too high when you turned it off, it would chime the pants off you.

That made me laugh. I am picturing you falling off your chair as the Mac boots up.

 

[vcboard]

I heard that without having the startup sound, it saves battery life

 

[tech4all]

A couple of other thoughts-some people have mentioned start-up diagnostics.

PRAM resets can sometimes take longer than someone who has never done one realizes, and the chime is the only real clue that you've actually done it. In fact, when I write up how-tos on older Macs(we have some at work running legacy hardware) and put in a diagnostic section, I always have to specify to keep holding the keys UNTIL you hear a second chime.

Many other boot options-like boot selector-have to be done before the chime. Again, it serves more of a function than just adding to the Mac experience.



The watch is still present in Sierra. I see it most often in Lightroom and other Adobe products, but not the beach ball is still not the universal catch-all for waiting on the system to finish a process.

I was just thinking about this. The start up chime is like the POST beep for Windows, right?

 

[highdough]

How on earth did my 14 year old daughter get so many accounts on here? That's the only explanation for the amount of melodrama being exhibited on this board!

Yes, it's disappointing to hear that the chime won't be there anymore, and I've been a Mac user since the early 90s, but come on, people. Are you guys really writing off Apple because they found there was no need for a startup chime?

Really?

 

[flyinmac]

The new question on the forums will be: "is the computer dead? Or is it on, but frozen before loading the OS?"

 

[kstotlani]

Jony scrapped that YEARS ago.

You do realise that Jony created all these things not Cook and not Jobs. It's him that gets sick of them - I don't think he wants to create something and have it that way forever. Designers like change - not to keep the same thing for 20 years because silly consumers bang on about "tradition"

People say they want a touch screen Mac and yet if we had one this forum would also be full of people complaing Apple was dead and Steve's vision is gone.

If macOS changed to incorporate touch again it would be the same thing - look at the outrage between iOS6 to iOS7 - I don't think you'd find many people choosing to go back to the date aesthetics of 6 anymore (queue someone still clinging onto skeuomorph design)

Things change, ideas become obsolete, better things come along that render the older things not possible anymore - I love the fact that life changes instead of keeping everything the same all the time. I don't think this forum would be happy no matter happened - it was full of moaning that the design hadn't changed for 5 years, now it has it full of people saying "no i didn't want it to change that way" - lets have a day off eh?

Seen a lot of your posts belittling the "whiners". Could you explain one thing to me. iPhone 7 was released a month ago and it cannot be connected to the MacBook Pro without a dongle. How is that good design that your two latest products don't play with each other? And please don't say wifi because you cannot charge it via wifi.

When you troll others remember the frustration is not just about just that sound or the auto power up. It's about their expectations about so many things. 1. Price 2. RAM cannot be upgrade 3. No MagSafe 4. DDR3 RAM. There are a few more but you get the drift.

 

[x0vash0x]

As much as these things were great, all good things come to an end. Did you really expect the glowing Apple logo and a chime to be present in every macbook forever? They were cool things, but really guys, it's not the end of the world.

I expect my 2045 MacBook to be exactly the same as my 2015 MacBook, but better!

Honestly, things change. Times change. No one likes change, but do people really think the MacBook is going to be the same forever? By that logic, I really hope that my 2150 MackBook Pro has the exact same start sound as my 2000 Mac, and if it doesn't then APPLE IS DOOMED!

 

[flyinmac]

I expect my 2045 MacBook to be exactly the same as my 2015 MacBook, but better!

Honestly, things change. Times change. No one likes change, but do people really think the MacBook is going to be the same forever? By that logic, I really hope that my 2150 MackBook Pro has the exact same start sound as my 2000 Mac, and if it doesn't then APPLE IS DOOMED!

By 2045 the MacBook Pro will be more dongles and adapters than actual computer.

 

[Jaekae]

No more glowing logo. No more extension cord with a multi-thousand dollar laptop. No more control over when my computer boots up.

And now, no more startup chime.

It's official. Apple is dead to me.

Tim Cook, please resign. If you really care about the survival of the magic and heart and soul of the Apple that Steve Jobs created, you need to resign. You are killing everything that ever made Apple special.

If something is a gimmick its that glowing logo, i rather have a thinner better screen than that useless glow..
It make sense business wise to not include something that not everyone is using..
You can choose when you open the lid..

Think apple will be happy to lose such a crybaby like you

 

[RumorConsumer]

Former Apple employee of 5.5 years here as well as somebody who worked in the Mac service and sales business for 4 years before Apple Store were even opened. Im about as die hard as it gets and I have three things to say on the topic of Macs losing the boot chime in this latest iteration of MacBook Pro (which I will be buying soon).

1. At MacWorld Expo several years ago I was near the Apple booth and Steve decided to pay us a visit and hang out for a bit on the display floor for a launch of maybe iPhone, I can't recall. A man approached him on the show floor and I overheard their conversation. The man identified himself as a long time user and fan and said to Steve "Hey man, you got rid of Windowshade. Windowshade is absolutely integral to the Mac experience. You gotta bring it back." They'd done away with this feature from OS9 to OS X and admittedly I enjoyed it.

And before he could even get the last words out of his mouth Steve just smiled and started shaking his head and repeated at least twice "You're living in the past". So to those of you who think Steve wouldn't kill anything off if he thought it was interfering with his design you dont know Steve. For all you know this has been in the plans for the Mac the entire time. Notice the iPhone *doesnt* have a boot chime. What's that tell you?


2. Second is that I hear music fans who love the old stuff like Hendrix (like me!) lament the state of modern music. They say things like if he'd be alive today he'd be making better music than all the crap out there. My personal opinion is that if Hendrix were alive he'd probably be into protest music. He'd probably be into Kendrick Lamar. He'd probably be into A$AP Rocky. The best systems self destruct.

3. The use of dongles is unavoidable when changing input standards. The same thing happened with Serial and ADB to USB. Its gonna suck for about 9-12 months and then it'll all smooth out. Chill.

 

[rob.james.arias]

All this bellyache about the chime and it hits me, it's a distraction. From what? I ask myself... I log in to see about purchasing one and realize the student discount doesn't appear to be as advantageous as before. Then I notice the price increase is pretty steep. It occurs to me, they are looking to raise bottom line profits since they cannot manage to grow topline sales. Logical, however I don't like it. Either way when setting a price Apple is one of the few companies that can charge a little more than the consumer deems "fair".

 

[x0vash0x]

Seen a lot of your posts belittling the "whiners". Could you explain one thing to me. iPhone 7 was released a month ago and it cannot be connected to the MacBook Pro without a dongle. How is that good design that your two latest products don't play with each other? And please don't say wifi because you cannot charge it via wifi.

When you troll others remember the frustration is not just about just that sound or the auto power up. It's about their expectations about so many things. 1. Price 2. RAM cannot be upgrade 3. No MagSafe 4. DDR3 RAM. There are a few more but you get the drift.

At this point, I'm giving Apple the benefit of the doubt. But, I would guess that most people don't charge their iPhone via their computer. Like a few others have said, this isn't some anti-consumer decision that wasn't made without thought. They have tons of data about how consumers use their products. This is about the future, not the past.

We haven't seen exactly Apple's future, this is just a glimpse. I think part of the reason is that we haven't really been shown the entire plan, just bits and pieces. How does the iPad Pro really fit in with the iMac fit in with the MacBook? It all seems like a jumbled mess. However, I'm choosing to believe that there is a plan, and we'll all understand soon.

What if Apple updates the MacBook Pro next year with wireless charging for the iPhone? It's rumored to do that with the iMac. What if they could do it with the MacBook Pro as well?

 

[Mr. Dee]

It is certainly a part of the brand, sad to see it go, but I guess it was redundant on systems that boot faster than some home appliances. Maybe in the next few years, if and when Apple adopts memristors, you won't even boot the OS, it just stays resident in main memory.

 

[btrach144]

Tim is destroying Apple!

 

[The Werewolf]

Apple has done away with the traditional startup chime on its new MacBook Pro lineup because the machines automatically power on when the lid is opened.

Uhm.. wouldn't that be 'sleep' mode? MacBook Pros have always done that. And if you have the sound level down, it won't play the chime either.

Try turning up the volume, shutting it all the way down and starting it up normally... keeping the lid opened.

Also, the original Mac chime was a C chord, but it got changed to a G chord for Power Macs and later.

 

[Saturn1217]

Ok people need to stop overreacting. There are a lot of issues with the new MBPs but the loss of the start up chime is not one of them. It seems like apple was just trying to make sure that the laptop wouldn't accidentally disturb anyone by making noise when you opened it up since it boots automatically now. Is this really that big a deal?

It has been a long rather traumatic weekend for the macrumors community but let's not get carried away here.