C'mon where's the Antiglare BTO option for the 13 and 15"er's?

[sparkie7]

I read glossys calibrate well. Mines yet to arrive so I can find out what the fuss is all about

For the keen there's surely gotta be some sort of diy job out there. Anti-reflection sticky film?

I also read that its perfect for people who love their own reflections LOL

Congrats on your new purchase!

 

[whooleytoo]

3. Contrary to popular belief, the old CRTs used glass and many professionals used those. So why not glass now?

Alright then. CRT MacBooks FTW!

 

[Maserati7200]

All of you people who hate glossy screens are exaggerating. If, matte is your preference, fine. But I hate how most say "It is impossible to work on a glossy screen unless you live in a cave" or act as if any light source in the room causes a problem. Listen up, I've been using my glossy MacBook for 22 months now (and I've been matte screens for 5 years before that) and it is not as bad as most of you anti-glossy people say they are. The only time where it is somewhat of a problem is if you are in front of a window (and your screen is parallel to it) with the sun shining directly inside. Other than that, (I use my MacBook in school so I need to conserve power) even on low brightness, it have not even noticed glare at all. I'd bet most of you anti-glossy people haven't actually worked with a glossy display. Maybe you've looked glossy Macs at an Apple store, or read the forums about how other "pros" (who again, haven't actually worked with glossy) don't like the reflection. Again, if matte is your preference thats fine, but don't exaggerate. If your workspace has window with sun shining in, by all means get matte. In addition, many of you say matte screens show true colors an glossy does not. I wonder how that is possible if glossy screens just have a display, and matte screens have display + antiglare coating. The antiglare coating distorts light and whatnot. And on my last note, on matte screens you still see reflections, just blurry reflections as opposed to clear ones.

For the 3rd time, if matte is your preference fine. Just stop your bitching about glossy screens because your complaints are highly exaggerated and uninformed.

-Maserati

 

[clyde2801]

Isn't the difference subjective anyway between glossy and matte? Wouldn't it also depend on what you primarily use your computer for?

I had a 2.33 mbp and I loved the matte screen. Adored it. It seemed to induce less eyestrain for me than the glossy's.

But yesterday evening, I took my macbook collector's edition to a business meeting of a fellowship I belong to, and I was blown away from the clarity of a word document on my glossy 9c8c screen. I kept thinking that the difference between the two are amazing for simple word processing.

I'm just wondering what's the harm in offering a bto matte option? As for simplicity, there's already six different macbook pro models! It's good that 3rd parties are stepping up to the plate and offering a matte option to people who really, really want it. Would the screen replacement void applecare?

I'll just step back now and continue to watch the Tallest Skill lynch mob in action.

 

[Hal1980]

All of you people who hate glossy screens are exaggerating. If, matte is your preference, fine. But I hate how most say "It is impossible to work on a glossy screen unless you live in a cave" or act as if any light source in the room causes a problem. Listen up, I've been using my glossy MacBook for 22 months now (and I've been matte screens for 5 years before that) and it is not as bad as most of you anti-glossy people say they are. The only time where it is somewhat of a problem is if you are in front of a window (and your screen is parallel to it) with the sun shining directly inside. Other than that, (I use my MacBook in school so I need to conserve power) even on low brightness, it have not even noticed glare at all. I'd bet most of you anti-glossy people haven't actually worked with a glossy display. Maybe you've looked glossy Macs at an Apple store, or read the forums about how other "pros" (who again, haven't actually worked with glossy) don't like the reflection. Again, if matte is your preference thats fine, but don't exaggerate. If your workspace has window with sun shining in, by all means get matte. In addition, many of you say matte screens show true colors an glossy does not. I wonder how that is possible if glossy screens just have a display, and matte screens have display + antiglare coating. The antiglare coating distorts light and whatnot. And on my last note, on matte screens you still see reflections, just blurry reflections as opposed to clear ones.

For the 3rd time, if matte is your preference fine. Just stop your bitching about glossy screens because your complaints are highly exaggerated and uninformed.

-Maserati

I'm not knocking glossies, they look sweet. If you like them great - I'm not trying to take away your option. But personally I find them unusable. I have used a friend's MBP with glassy screen, to try it out and see if there was any way I could get over the glare. I ended up being even more opposed to the glassy than I was before. I cannot get over how the thing seems to function better as a mirror than an actual screen.

Below is a short list of why non-matte screens are personally unusable:
- I frequently work with a window behind me and facing the screen so the glare is awful with a glossy
- I do try and use my computer outside, which is impossible with a glossy.
- I find the reflections absolutely distracting. I can tune out noise and whatnot, but reflections over my shoulder are distracting with a glossy.
- True matte screens do have subtle reflections, but they are minor at best, and the fact that they are blurred out means that it is possible to block them out.

I don't understand what all of the opposition is about. If you love the glassy screens great, but there are a significant number of us who have been long-term loyal apple fans and consumers and to not have the option of a matte is maddening. I will not buy a glossy/glassy display, which has led me to consider (shudder to think) buying a PC. Since I cannot bring myself to that horrible fate yet, I have been holding out and trying to nurse my five plus year Powerbook until Apple at least provides a BTO option. I just hope they provide this option before I have to breakdown and buy a VAIO (I think I just threw up in my mouth thinking about it).

Is that too much to ask?

 

[sparkie7]

All of you people who hate glossy screens are exaggerating. If, matte is your preference, fine. But I hate how most say "It is impossible to work on a glossy screen unless you live in a cave" or act as if any light source in the room causes a problem. Listen up, I've been using my glossy MacBook for 22 months now (and I've been matte screens for 5 years before that) and it is not as bad as most of you anti-glossy people say they are. The only time where it is somewhat of a problem is if you are in front of a window (and your screen is parallel to it) with the sun shining directly inside. Other than that, (I use my MacBook in school so I need to conserve power) even on low brightness, it have not even noticed glare at all. I'd bet most of you anti-glossy people haven't actually worked with a glossy display. Maybe you've looked glossy Macs at an Apple store, or read the forums about how other "pros" (who again, haven't actually worked with glossy) don't like the reflection. Again, if matte is your preference thats fine, but don't exaggerate. If your workspace has window with sun shining in, by all means get matte. In addition, many of you say matte screens show true colors an glossy does not. I wonder how that is possible if glossy screens just have a display, and matte screens have display + antiglare coating. The antiglare coating distorts light and whatnot. And on my last note, on matte screens you still see reflections, just blurry reflections as opposed to clear ones.

For the 3rd time, if matte is your preference fine. Just stop your bitching about glossy screens because your complaints are highly exaggerated and uninformed.

-Maserati

No body is bitching. We're just asking (nicely) for a matte Option.

Act your age, unless you are 10?

 

[chaosbunny]

All of you people who hate glossy screens are exaggerating. If, matte is your preference, fine. But I hate how most say "It is impossible to work on a glossy screen unless you live in a cave" or act as if any light source in the room causes a problem. Listen up, I've been using my glossy MacBook for 22 months now (and I've been matte screens for 5 years before that) and it is not as bad as most of you anti-glossy people say they are. The only time where it is somewhat of a problem is if you are in front of a window (and your screen is parallel to it) with the sun shining directly inside. Other than that, (I use my MacBook in school so I need to conserve power) even on low brightness, it have not even noticed glare at all. I'd bet most of you anti-glossy people haven't actually worked with a glossy display. Maybe you've looked glossy Macs at an Apple store, or read the forums about how other "pros" (who again, haven't actually worked with glossy) don't like the reflection. Again, if matte is your preference thats fine, but don't exaggerate. If your workspace has window with sun shining in, by all means get matte. In addition, many of you say matte screens show true colors an glossy does not. I wonder how that is possible if glossy screens just have a display, and matte screens have display + antiglare coating. The antiglare coating distorts light and whatnot. And on my last note, on matte screens you still see reflections, just blurry reflections as opposed to clear ones.

For the 3rd time, if matte is your preference fine. Just stop your bitching about glossy screens because your complaints are highly exaggerated and uninformed.

-Maserati

And I hate it when most of the glossy people mention that it's ok, because THEY have been using a glossy screen just fine for the last xx months. That doesn't prove anything, it's simple preference, and no argument.

Apart from that, I have been using a 24" alu iMac for almost 2 years now, and no it's not sooo bad, but bad enough that I most certainly won't buy another one of apples glassy screen products.

I don't understand how some people are against an OPTIONAL matte screen for all mbps. Some choice wouldn't hurt anybody. Like you said but the other way around, if glossy is your preference that's fine, but don't neglect the fact that many people would prefer a matte screen for whatever reasons.

The most ridiculous argument ever is "it would confuse people". One more checkbox would confuse you? You sure have to stay with a Mac for the rest of your life, because you would not be able to understand the homepages of other computer manufacturers where there are much more checkboxes... and surprise surprise Dell still sells computers! I seriously question the intelligence of someone who thinks this is confusing:

 

[whooleytoo]

Add me to the list of Glare Haters. I'm not pretty enough to have such a reflective screen!

What I find baffling are some of the posts I've read previously defending Apple, suggesting re-arranging your desk/office to avoid glare. Having to re-arrange your office layout just to suit the arbitrary decision by the sole Mac manufacturer to stop making matte screens is bizarre.

 

[whooleytoo]

For the 3rd time, if matte is your preference fine. Just stop your bitching about glossy screens because your complaints are highly exaggerated and uninformed.

-Maserati

Nonsense. People probably spend more time using their computer than any other activity during the average day. So it's very important that it's as easy and comfortable to use as possible. With more reflections on-screen, it forces the user to focus harder to read text on-screen, resulting in greater eye strain.

Compared to some of the complaints on here about miniscule cracks on iPhones, this is a genuine complaint which affects the usability of the computer.

 

[sparkie7]

Nonsense. People probably spend more time using their computer than any other activity during the average day. So it's very important that it's as easy and comfortable to use as possible. With more reflections on-screen, it forces the user to focus harder to read text on-screen, resulting in greater eye strain.

Compared to some of the complaints on here about miniscule cracks on iPhones, this is a genuine complaint which affects the usability of the computer.

Good point. RSI is a real issue. The health and productivity of the user are vital considerations.

 

[Maserati7200]

No body is bitching. We're just asking (nicely) for a matte Option.

Act your age, unless you are 10?

I'm 15.

And I hate it when most of the glossy people mention that it's ok, because THEY have been using a glossy screen just fine for the last xx months. That doesn't prove anything, it's simple preference, and no argument.

Apart from that, I have been using a 24" alu iMac for almost 2 years now, and no it's not sooo bad, but bad enough that I most certainly won't buy another one of apples glassy screen products.

I don't understand how some people are against an OPTIONAL matte screen for all mbps. Some choice wouldn't hurt anybody. Like you said but the other way around, if glossy is your preference that's fine, but don't neglect the fact that many people would prefer a matte screen for whatever reasons.

The most ridiculous argument ever is "it would confuse people". One more checkbox would confuse you? You sure have to stay with a Mac for the rest of your life, because you would not be able to understand the homepages of other computer manufacturers where there are much more checkboxes... and surprise surprise Dell still sells computers! I seriously question the intelligence of someone who thinks this is confusing:

Add me to the list of Glare Haters. I'm not pretty enough to have such a reflective screen!

What I find baffling are some of the posts I've read previously defending Apple, suggesting re-arranging your desk/office to avoid glare. Having to re-arrange your office layout just to suit the arbitrary decision by the sole Mac manufacturer to stop making matte screens is bizarre.

Nonsense. People probably spend more time using their computer than any other activity during the average day. So it's very important that it's as easy and comfortable to use as possible. With more reflections on-screen, it forces the user to focus harder to read text on-screen, resulting in greater eye strain.

Compared to some of the complaints on here about miniscule cracks on iPhones, this is a genuine complaint which affects the usability of the computer.

All of you misread my post. I said, if matte is your preference, that is fine. I have no problem with apple offering a matte option, in fact I think they should offer matte options since a lot of people prefer matte. I don't know where in my post you got the idea that Apple should not offer matte. I have no problem with matte, but I prefer glossy. But what I am saying, is that a lot of people make exaggerated claims about glossy screens. It is not as bad a lot of gloss-haters say it is.

And by the way I was talking about the glossy screens, not the glass screens on the new MBP. I am using a White MacBook (which is glossy but no glass) since September 2007 without any problems.

 

[Maserati7200]

Nonsense. People probably spend more time using their computer than any other activity during the average day. So it's very important that it's as easy and comfortable to use as possible. With more reflections on-screen, it forces the user to focus harder to read text on-screen, resulting in greater eye strain.

Like I said, if matte is your preference, thats fine. I think apple should offer matte. All I am saying is that your complaints of the glossy (IM NOT TALKING ABOUT GLASS) screens are exaggerated. I have been using my White MacBook since September 2007 and I have not experienced any of these problems anti-glossy people mentioned except when I am parallel to a window. Other than that I have not noticed refections. One poster said somewhere along the lines "these glossy macbooks are only good if you are in a dark cave". Hardly the case. I've gotten plenty of work done on my glossy screen without any problems.

 

[Dwalls90]

I think you are more a member of the silent majority.

I would always order the glossy, but choice is nice too.

Those that are happy with it .. aren't here complaining.

 

[Anuba]

It's interesting how many people seem to know what Apple's consumer research results are... but I'd certainly like to see any results of Apple's research about laptop display preferences which actually target various markets - consumer/home users, professional/commercial users - even broken down to types of businesses/functions. Just to get the real picture.

We'd all like to see those results, but I'm starting to wonder if they even exist. Has anyone here ever participated in any kind of survey where Apple ask them what they think of things?

Lately I've been getting the feeling that "our customers" is just a rhetorical tool they use as leverage to whip their real customers into submission.

Whenever they make a decision that raises eyebrows (dropping firewire, dropping matte, dropping ExpressCard, adamantly declining to produce a headless desktop model for consumers), they're always quick to point out that their "numbers" show that this is what the customers want. We all love glossy! None of us give a grap about ExpressCard! iMac is the perfect desktop computer for all of us! Says who? Says Phil Schiller's wishful thinking?

 

[Ieo]

Has anyone tried this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioPv...ser/itsmemorphious&feature=player_profilepage

Apparently, Carlos likes it.


And just for the sake of being a negative nancy.....it appears that a lot of you are whining simply for the sake of whining. Come on...."Unusable"?
I've been using my "unusable" glossy screen just about everywhere with great results. The only places to avoid are those with heavy lighting that can get an angle on the screen....and lets face it, we're all cave dwelling nerds who never see sunlight anyway.

 

[HLdan]

Matte or nothing.

At this point if I needed a laptop I would be forced to buy a PC, which is pathetic.

Ha, there's hardly much choice in the PC world for a matte screen. I just love how people act like Apple invented the glossy screen when they were the last to implement it in their notebooks.

 

[sparkie7]

Has anyone tried this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioPv...ser/itsmemorphious&feature=player_profilepage

Apparently, Carlos likes it.

yeah, and you can see his reflection clear as day LOL. the DIY kit is for amateurs. SO tacky. Lets go out and blow $1500 bucks on a new 13" MBP and then put a cheap ass $35 piece of plastic over the screen

 

[sam10685]

I'd get matte if it were 1000 dollars.

 

[Anuba]

Ha, there's hardly much choice in the PC world for a matte screen. I just love how people act like Apple invented the glossy screen when they were the last to implement it in their notebooks.

Yup. And it's not like glossy is limited to their cheap models either. If you buy Dell's Precision M6400, their flagship pro laptop, you can get the basic version with matte screen, but if you want the ultimate version, the M6400 "Covet" with 100% Adobe color gamut and RGB LED screen, you get edge-to-edge glossy.

I was a tad hesitant before I ordered this glossy MBP 17", but after a couple of weeks with it I'm relieved that I didn't get the matte option. Glossy might be a problem for people who use their MBP on the surface of the sun or have a 1000W spotlight aimed straight at the screen, but this panel is so shockingly bright to begin with it, I have yet to encounter any reflection that outshines it. I use it for Photoshop and Flash work all day long and it's great. I can see why "CMYK addicts" who work with print stuff have issues with color representation, but personally I make graphics that are supposed to be viewed the same way I view them. If the majority of users have glossy screens then that is my canvas.

 

[sparkie7]

lets clear one thing up.

Glossy (like the MBA screens) = Livable, and OK if Matte is not an available option

where as..

Glassy = Plain SUCKS

 

[whooleytoo]

Ha, there's hardly much choice in the PC world for a matte screen. I just love how people act like Apple invented the glossy screen when they were the last to implement it in their notebooks.

True, but personally I don't care about what's selling in the PC market. I just want a non reflective Mac. If there aren't any matte options available when my current MBP dies, I'll certainly consider any Hackintosh PC if they have a decent matte screen.

Like I said, if matte is your preference, thats fine. I think apple should offer matte. All I am saying is that your complaints of the glossy (IM NOT TALKING ABOUT GLASS) screens are exaggerated. I have been using my White MacBook since September 2007 and I have not experienced any of these problems anti-glossy people mentioned except when I am parallel to a window. Other than that I have not noticed refections. One poster said somewhere along the lines "these glossy macbooks are only good if you are in a dark cave". Hardly the case. I've gotten plenty of work done on my glossy screen without any problems.

I think choice is good too - if some people prefer glossy then ideally Apple would offer both.

I both work and live in bright environments where a reflective screen would unquestionably be a hindrance. My apartment in particular is small and south facing so I don't have a lot of options in moving my table or desk away from the windows to get out of the sun. Even with my matte screen it's not 100% ideal, with glare from my shirt/face obscuring the screen, I really don't want to try a glossy screen there.

(Nor do I want to spend money installing blinds and keeping them closed every time I want to use my Mac simply because Apple reckons everyone loves glossy )

 

[mikes70mustang]

yeah, and you can see his reflection clear as day LOL. the DIY kit is for amateurs. SO tacky. Lets go out and blow $1500 bucks on a new 13" MBP and then put a cheap ass $35 piece of plastic over the screen

that looks as tacky as the guys 10 pound watch

 

[Sound Evolution]

Well guys.. I am ready.. flame me for what I going to say now

I am against matte because I find the design with the aluminum bezel ugly! Joni Ive had a certain design vision in mind when he designed the glass macbooks.

Let the flames come...

With best regards,
Bas

 

[RebootD]

Alright then. CRT MacBooks FTW!

Ugh I am so sick of hearing the comparison to CRT's!!

People hated the glare/reflections on CRTs and tried everything from hoods, polarized screens, blackening out windows and voodoo to try and find a useful spot to place them. Why would I want to go back to doing that?!

People put up with CRTs even after LCDs became more mainstream because they had much better contrast and color reproduction but today we have screens that show more than 100% of the RGB spectrum and there is no way I want to regress back to the days of dealing with glass/glare/reflections/eye-strain.

Enjoy your shinebox, glad you love it.

For the 3rd time, if matte is your preference fine. Just stop your bitching about glossy screens because your complaints are highly exaggerated and uninformed.

-Maserati

First use the 'return' key once in awhile it helps me not skip your comments. Second, we all have the right to voice our opinions just like you did. Don't be a hypocrite.

Apart from that, I have been using a 24" alu iMac for almost 2 years now, and no it's not sooo bad, but bad enough that I most certainly won't buy another one of apples glassy screen products.

Amen to that. I bought an alum iMac in 2007 and quickly bought a matte lcd to attach to it. I eventually sold it and bought a MP. I couldn't stand the fact at different times of the day I have to rearrage my desk because of my windows. (I actually like to see the sky)

I don't understand how some people are against an OPTIONAL matte screen for all mbps. Some choice wouldn't hurt anybody. Like you said but the other way around, if glossy is your preference that's fine, but don't neglect the fact that many people would prefer a matte screen for whatever reasons.

Because they want to justify their purchase by voicing disdain for anyone who doesn't love what they have which is insane to me. I don't care that they have a glassy option for those that like them but I do have an issue with not having a matte option for the rest of us.

Honestly do I have to install Windows 7 on my MP and buy a lenovo just so I can have a workstation AND useful portable?

 

[Anuba]

People hated the glare/reflections on CRTs and tried everything from hoods, polarized screens, blackening out windows and voodoo to try and find a useful spot to place them.

Yes, because they were convex. You could point one at the floor and it would still reflect the ceiling. Last time I checked, LCD panels are flat.