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C'mon where's the Antiglare BTO option for the 13 and 15"er's?

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HLdan said:
:D:D:D:D I couldn't help but chuckle at that. How many people from MR do you think makes up the Mac community??? Come on dude, your post is complete nonsense. MR is not even 1/10th of 1% of Apple's user base. MR is largely made up of kids 12-18 years old that are geeks and just come here and post on their opinions which is generally made up of OCD posts all day. Apple's customer base that actually buy their Macs to USE could give a rats behind about coming here to voice their opinions about wanting matte screens, black colored Macbook Pros, certain model screens such as 9C8xxx or the latest and greatest GPU with SLI graphics. Apple would be out of business if they only had MR to answer to. :p
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According to your post, if you don't care about the matte screen issue, then that would make you a 12-18 year old geek.

I actually bought my Mac to use for work and home. I care about having a matte screen. In fact, I am hoping that they have the matte screen option by the time I need to upgrade from the Mac I am currently typing on. Before I switched to a Mac, I had a PC with a glossy display (not even glass, which is more reflective) and it was a royal pain. Seriously, it gave me headaches. Plus it wasn't functional enough for what I do.

I also haven't seen anybody on here asking for the matte screen just because they want it. Most of the people asking for it are the people who need it for what they do.

Your opinion is rather narrow. You're starting to sound like Tallest Skil.

People aren't complaining for the sake of complaining. They are just asking Apple to give them a viable option for their needs. If they can do it for the 17" they can do it for the rest of the line.
I'm certainly not willing to pay more money for a bigger computer to lug around just for the matte screen.
 
RebootD said:
First use the 'return' key once in awhile it helps me not skip your comments. Second, we all have the right to voice our opinions just like you did. Don't be a hypocrite.
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I never said you couldn't voice your opinion. I just find it annoying how these anti-glossy people exaggerate about glossy screens too much. If they say they don't like it, fine. If they say the glare is too much, fine. But some posters go to the extreme by saying somewhere along the lines of "A glossy screen is only usable in a dark cave". That simply isn't true. I have been using my White MacBook for 22 Months now, and the only time the glossy screen caused me any noticeable reflection was when I'm parallel to a window with the sun shining in.
 
Maserati7200 said:
I never said you couldn't voice your opinion. I just find it annoying how these anti-glossy people exaggerate about glossy screens too much. If they say they don't like it, fine. If they say the glare is too much, fine. But some posters go to the extreme by saying somewhere along the lines of "A glossy screen is only usable in a dark cave". That simply isn't true. I have been using my White MacBook for 22 Months now, and the only time the glossy screen caused me any noticeable reflection was when I'm parallel to a window with the sun shining in.
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Don't tell me what my own experiences are! I'm telling people exactly what my experience was with a shiny iMac and why I couldn't stand it. You are free to say you love glassy but don't think you can call me out for 'exaggerating' because the same could be said of you now couldn't it? In my daily use no matter what I did in dark areas of photos /designs I could see my face plain and simple and that is unacceptable. (I'm just not that into me)

YOU are fine with it. People like me aren't and other long time Mac users aren't either. Just like with the missing FW on the macbook enough people 'whined' about it on sites like these and guess what? IT CAME BACK.

People like you who told them to shut up because they didn't agree with the almighty Apple (and your opinion) got slapped in the face when they brought it back now didn't they? Sometimes public outcry (and several Macworld editors negative remarks included) can actually make a difference.

All we are hoping for is to continue to voice an, albeit minority, opinion to bring back what 40% of us want: A Anti-Glare Matte option.
 
RebootD said:
YOU are fine with it. People like me aren't and other long time Mac users aren't either. Just like with the missing FW on the macbook enough people 'whined' about it on sites like these and guess what? IT CAME BACK.
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But Apple have already reacted on the matte vs glassy front -- there was a lot of whining about the lack of a matte option on the 13/15" unibody models introduced in November '08, so they added a matte option on the 17" introduced in January '09. They probably did it to evaluate demand for matte screens. If it turned out to be substantial, they would add a matte option to the 15" model, and possibly the 13". The result? 5 months later (when they'd had plenty of time to analyze 17" matte sales and done modifications of the 13"/15" models -- new battery inherited from the 17", SD instead of ExpressCard) they rolled out new models and there was no matte option. The message is clear -- it's not happening. MBP is going the way of the alu iMac, which has been out for two years with no matte option in sight. And the Cinema 24" was replaced with a glassy model, iMac style. Take one guess what the next 30" will look like.

Sometimes public outcry (and several Macworld editors negative remarks included) can actually make a difference.
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Like I said, Apple's jury isn't out on this one. The window for doing a 180° is closed. If they were going to do a matte option on the 13" and/or 15" MBPs, they would have done so at WWDC. They've had the glassy 13"/15" models for 8 months. The turnaround time for "oops, we screwed up, here's attempt #2" is less than 6 months. They did backtrack on firewire, but not glossy. Time is not in your agenda's favor, i.e. the number of glossy protestors isn't growing. It peaked when the machines were introduced 8 months ago. Those who considered it an absolute dealbreaker have moved on. Those who were skeptical have acquired a taste for it or at least learned to live with it. Those who loved it from the beginning still love it.

Do I like it? No. Well, I like glossy, but I don't like Apple's dictatorial one size fits all approach with a laughable minimum of CTO options. I dislike it mostly because it's a cost saving that isn't passed on to the customer. Apple's exceptional greed disgusts me. But if you want odds, I'd say the odds of a matte MBP 15" happening at this point are 3,720 to 1.
 
Anuba said:
But Apple have already reacted on the matte vs glassy front -- there was a lot of whining about the lack of a matte option on the 13/15" unibody models introduced in November '08, so they added a matte option on the 17" introduced in January '09. They probably did it to evaluate demand for matte screens. If it turned out to be substantial, they would add a matte option to the 15" model, and possibly the 13". The result? 5 months later (when they'd had plenty of time to analyze 17" matte sales and done modifications of the 13"/15" models -- new battery inherited from the 17", SD instead of ExpressCard) they rolled out new models and there was no matte option. The message is clear -- it's not happening. MBP is going the way of the alu iMac, which has been out for two years with no matte option in sight. And the Cinema 24" was replaced with a glassy model, iMac style. Take one guess what the next 30" will look like.


Like I said, Apple's jury isn't out on this one. The window for doing a 180° is closed. If they were going to do a matte option on the 13" and/or 15" MBPs, they would have done so at WWDC. They've had the glassy 13"/15" models for 8 months. The turnaround time for "oops, we screwed up, here's attempt #2" is less than 6 months. They did backtrack on firewire, but not glossy. Time is not in your agenda's favor, i.e. the number of glossy protestors isn't growing. It peaked when the machines were introduced 8 months ago. Those who considered it an absolute dealbreaker have moved on. Those who were skeptical have acquired a taste for it or at least learned to live with it. Those who loved it from the beginning still love it.

Do I like it? No. Well, I like glossy, but I don't like Apple's dictatorial one size fits all approach with a laughable minimum of CTO options. I dislike it mostly because it's a cost saving that isn't passed on to the customer. Apple's exceptional greed disgusts me. But if you want odds, I'd say the odds of a matte MBP 15" happening at this point are 3,720 to 1.
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Apple does have a history of having features on its top end laptops that's not shared with lesser siblings to enourage people to spend more money on more expensive laptops. :eek: The features eventually work down over time to the 'lesser' models. Case in point, lighted keyboards and the new super duper battery.
 
Anuba said:
But Apple have already reacted on the matte vs glassy front -- there was a lot of whining about the lack of a matte option on the 13/15" unibody models introduced in November '08, so they added a matte option on the 17" introduced in January '09. .
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Right see I want a 13 or 15 in model with matte, you know the portable kind? :D

Honestly the 17in is too huge to lug around and and unless you fly 1st/business class good luck getting that behemoth onto your tray. I have my giant NEC 26in at home I don't want a portable desktop screen.

Anuba said:
Do I like it? No. Well, I like glossy, but I don't like Apple's dictatorial one size fits all approach with a laughable minimum of CTO options. I dislike it mostly because it's a cost saving that isn't passed on to the customer. Apple's exceptional greed disgusts me. But if you want odds, I'd say the odds of a matte MBP 15" happening at this point are 3,720 to 1.
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I know we agree on the greed and dictatorship "the consumers LOVE _X_" = We love it so deal with it.

I just have some design/photo friends that are seriously worried they will be kicked out of the Apple fan club if the taking away features (multiple FW, expresscard, matte screens). I've already lost a few to the Dell side once the iMacs turned shinebox and the clingers-on who need a new portable aren't going to settle for a 'pro' machine with an SD slot and no matte option.

It's just frustrating but I'm giving it another year before I jump ship.
 
macDonalds said:
pwned!

lmao, well played sir...well played.
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Ha. pwned indeed.

Fortunately I didn't listen to his predictions, I trusted my own from April 2nd:

"I expect them to bump the speed one more time before Intel launches the Arrandale processors. They'll probably go 2.8 GHz / 3.06 GHz on the MBP sometime this summer."

And now I'm the happy owner of a 2.8 GHz MBP 17" bought after June 8th. The day there was supposedly zero chance that they'd introduce new MBPs. :rolleyes:

RebootD said:
Right see I want a 13 or 15 in model with matte, you know the portable kind? :D

Honestly the 17in is too huge to lug around and and unless you fly 1st/business class good luck getting that behemoth onto your tray. I have my giant NEC 26in at home I don't want a portable desktop screen.
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Heh... well, I don't use it like that. I have a desktop machine with a 3-screen setup (20" portrait +30" landscape +20" portrait) for heavy duty stuff. The laptop is for when I can't be arsed to sit at my desk but still need decent screen res so I don't have to spend more time scrolling and resizing than actually working. On the couch, in the bed... I don't have to carry it far so for those instances it could be a MacBook Pro 24" for all I care. Occassionally I bring it to some client's office and work there, and I usually go there by train. The 1st class trains have huge ass tables where I could fit two MBP 17" if needed. If I go flying it's not work related, it's vacation, when I make a point of staying away from computers and I wouldn't bring any electronics bigger than my iPhone.

My previous notebook was a 15" Dell that weighs a hair more than the MBP 17" after I've packed the Dell's gargantuan power brick, and it was portable enough for my trips so the MBP 17" is status quo in terms of portability.
 
RebootD said:
Don't tell me what my own experiences are! I'm telling people exactly what my experience was with a shiny iMac and why I couldn't stand it. You are free to say you love glassy but don't think you can call me out for 'exaggerating' because the same could be said of you now couldn't it? In my daily use no matter what I did in dark areas of photos /designs I could see my face plain and simple and that is unacceptable. (I'm just not that into me)

YOU are fine with it. People like me aren't and other long time Mac users aren't either. Just like with the missing FW on the macbook enough people 'whined' about it on sites like these and guess what? IT CAME BACK.

People like you who told them to shut up because they didn't agree with the almighty Apple (and your opinion) got slapped in the face when they brought it back now didn't they? Sometimes public outcry (and several Macworld editors negative remarks included) can actually make a difference.

All we are hoping for is to continue to voice an, albeit minority, opinion to bring back what 40% of us want: A Anti-Glare Matte option.

And honestly if you love your shinebox so much why do you waste your time in a thread about something no one is going to agree with you on?
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Actually if you read my previous posts (not the one you quoted) i clearly said I wasn't talking about the glass screens. I'm talking about glossy, not glossy +glass. I have a Mid-2007 MacBook with a glossy but not glassy screens and never noticed a reflection besides when I'm parallel to a window.

And I hate how people put words in my mouth. I said "If matte is your preference thats fine. I think Apple should offer matte". I recognize people prefer matte and it is an issue that Apple is not including it. Honestly, where did it tell people to shut up? All I said is that many are exaggerating and that my experiences were different. And why do you assume I perfer glossy simply because Apple thinks glossy is better? Why are you such a condensing a**hole? It's like you read half of my post.

You fail to acknowledge that I said apple should include matte options, and you fail to acknowledge that I said if people prefer matte, that is fine with me. You fail to acknowledge that I was talking about glossy, not glassy. You would know all that if you read my post correctly.

Why do I post on thread in which people disagree with me? Because I find it annoying how people say "glossy screens are unusable because you always will see a reflection" or "a glossy screen is only usable in a dark cave" because that it is simply not true. People shouldn't post their opinion as fact. I, and many people I know, get plenty of work done on glossy screens without any problems. The only time I have ever had a problem is when I'm parallel to a window. I've never used a glassy screen (e.g. iMac or new MBP) for extended periods, so I cannot testify for those. However, with my non-glassy but glossy MacBook reflections were never noticeable except when parallel to a window.



-_-
 
HLdan said:
Ha, there's hardly much choice in the PC world for a matte screen. I just love how people act like Apple invented the glossy screen when they were the last to implement it in their notebooks. :p
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Eh? Are you saying it's impossible to find a PC laptop with a matte screen? :confused: If so, I'm pretty sure you are mistaken.

Lots of words and not really saying anything :rolleyes:
 
RebootD said:
Ugh I am so sick of hearing the comparison to CRT's!! :mad:

People hated the glare/reflections on CRTs and tried everything from hoods, polarized screens, blackening out windows and voodoo to try and find a useful spot to place them. Why would I want to go back to doing that?!
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I'm hoping you're joking.. Did you seriously think I was proposing a CRT MacBook? ;)

Still.. better than a glassy MacBook.. (I kid, I kid).
 
chaosbunny said:
If only I could afford a MP, I'd do the same. Look at my sig, I have a nice matte display next to my iMac too, but I had that before the iMac. I must admit though, dual screens are nice too.
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Oh it took me a while. I started my business with a 20in iMac and then bought the external matte screen after about a week of wanting to toss it out a window. I only got the MP when I landed a video editing gig that paid well over the price of one. :)
 
whooleytoo said:
I'm hoping you're joking.. Did you seriously think I was proposing a CRT MacBook? ;)

Still.. better than a glassy MacBook.. (I kid, I kid).
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No no not a CRT notebook haha. :D

My thing is when I see the 'but people used CRT's' argument I'm one step closer to popping an aneurysm. They were a total pain in the rear to manage in anything but a dim room or had a hood + polarized screen cover in the corner away from anything bright.
 
Maserati7200 said:
Oh, so no response, eh?.
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Um, it is better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all.

Honestly I didn't see the need you have an opinion which you stated and I have one as well. You are angry that people 'exaggerate' the issues with glassy screens and I see it as a fact.

What more is there to respond to?
 
RebootD said:
Um, it is better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all.

Honestly I didn't see the need you have an opinion which you stated and I have one as well. You are angry that people 'exaggerate' the issues with glassy screens and I see it as a fact.

What more is there to respond to?
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give the kid a break. he's only 15 and his grey matter has no yet fully developed :p
 
i like the glossyness of the mb 2007 because i prefer glossy over matte but in my oppinion the new screen with glass is like glossy overkill. I wish apple would make it so the screens had the same gloss as the plastic macbook
 
I bought a glossy macbook and used it for a week trying to do a 20 page research project (returned it after a couple days). It was nice when hooked up to my 24" monitor but once disconnected it was the worst experience I've ever had. The glossy finish gave me really bad headaches/eyestrain when I was reading and writing for long periods of time. It's not just glare that hurts my eyes, it's the bright saturated colors that look unnatural to me.. it burns.

So I hate when people say.. "just turn up the brightness to overcome glare", a glossy screen on full brightness makes my eyes feel like they're on fire. and on low brightness reflections get in the way.. long story short, I ended up finishing the project on my 14" ibook G4 with brightness on the lowest setting, in my opinion the ibook has a superior screen from a functional standpoint which is sad considering it's age. So I am one of the "few" with first hand experience and will never buy a glossy notebook again. I like OSX so much, but my ibook is getting old and the sony vaio z is pretty tempting.
I returned the macbook by the way.. 17" is nice but too large for me to bring to campus and use on a small desk nearly everyday, plus I already have a desktop.

Also.. I wouldn't call the 17" anti-glare a built to order machine.. because the Apple Store near my house always has anti-glare notebooks in stock on a regular basis. they are ready to sell, just like glossy ones, so I'm pretty sure they are more popular than people think.. at least in my area
 
i didnt any of the posts before mine, but im guessing thats what apple is going to update next on these things, that and new graphics cards i hope!
 
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