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Confirmed (again!) O2 PAYG 8GB=£349.99 16GB=£399.99
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Sorry this is off topic, but how do you get your email in a tab?
That's Firefox isn't it?
So do i!
What with this, and the other possible rumour of only the *8gb version been available in the UK it looks like we're for a bit of a ride with O2.
if its 8 or 16gb it doesn't matter really. I only want the phone
I'm worried that they'll change the prices and not think of the customer.
I'm worried that they'll change the prices and not think of the customer.
Really! Are you using an old 4 colour monitor or something!
And for the record i just randomly chose the colours!
Only 8gb Available....
So i spotted on another thread the rumour, apparently from an O2 employee, that O2 will only make the 8gb model available on the 11th. Anyone think this may be possible and could it have something to do with O2 taking down the prices on their web site? Could it also be a ploy to spread out the take up of the iphone by holding back the 16gb for a few months, till say september then just after that we may get the xmas release of the 32gb.
Personally i get the feeling that on the initial V1 phone no one knew how it would be received and now they know how the V2 is going to sell they (O2) are going to milk it for all its worth?
Thoughts.
So i spotted on another thread the rumour, apparently from an O2 employee, that O2 will only make the 8gb model available on the 11th. Anyone think this may be possible and could it have something to do with O2 taking down the prices on their web site? Could it also be a ploy to spread out the take up of the iphone by holding back the 16gb for a few months, till say september then just after that we may get the xmas release of the 32gb.
Personally i get the feeling that on the initial V1 phone no one knew how it would be received and now they know how the V2 is going to sell they (O2) are going to milk it for all its worth?
Thoughts.
Yes please! Big kudos to anyone who does. I cant work out which is cheapest for my use.
I put one together.. interesting stuff.
It's rare that the £30/mo tariff make any sense.
Frequency of usage matters a lot - on PayT the first 3 minutes of every day are charged at 25p vs. 5p, so if you use it every day PayT becomes uneconomic at about 50 minutes a month (this is a pathalogical case though - that means less than 2 minutes every day, which wouldn't make sense normally). OTOH if you use it once a week you don't hit that point until 300 minutes/month.
For texters PayT becomes more expensive at 170 texts/month (at 170/mo the £35/mo tariff becomes more economical and stays that way for all numbers above 170).
I've played around with a few combinations and the patterns are quite fascinating - or maybe I'm just easily amused
I'll tidy it up a bit and get the page uploaded.
Edit: Uploaded at http://homepage.mac.com/tmhoyle/iphone/
That is awesome! Many thanks Tony
Could you add an option for the drop down after 9 months (which is still an assumption we can do). This is because over 18 months someone worked out it was cheaper to go £45 then down to £35 than stick on £35 for 18m?
Also what are the min assumptions again, so I put 100 non O2/landline mins and put it as a call everyday. How long are the calls assuming?
Finally I rec you put this as a seperate thread or sticky so that it doesnt get lost in this one for anyone deciding before the 1st which way to go.
Good work fella
That is awesome! Many thanks Tony
Could you add an option for the drop down after 9 months (which is still an assumption we can do). This is because over 18 months someone worked out it was cheaper to go £45 then down to £35 than stick on £35 for 18m?
Also what are the min assumptions again, so I put 100 non O2/landline mins and put it as a call everyday. How long are the calls assuming?
Finally I rec you put this as a seperate thread or sticky so that it doesnt get lost in this one for anyone deciding before the 1st which way to go.
Good work fella
It does the simplest calculation over 30 days, so if you have 100 landline minutes over a 30 day month, and call every day then that's an average of 3 minutes a day. Those 3 minutes would be charged at 25p/minute (since the first 3 minutes a day are charged at the higher rate).
You can drop down one tariff a month on O2, so in theory from £45 you could do 45->35->30 then pay off at 30. At the moment it assumes you pay your current tariff off if you pay off at less than 18 months, which isn't quite optimal.
The 9 month dropdown is only £9 difference so I'm not sure it affects things that much (45*9+35*9==£720, 99+35*18=£729). Things like call minutes have a much larger effect.
The other problem with these calculations is when O2 will actually let you do it - clearly you can't go on the £45 tariff, drop to £35 in the second month then £30 in the third, get the free phone and pay for £30/mo for the rest of the time.. there will be rules against that. I haven't found anything that says when that's possible and would rather overestimate than underestimate.
(OT: iDisk is damned slow, and appears to have failed completely now. Should have put it on my local server... sigh...)
(OT2: Yup dotmac has failed, again.)
Argh
It makes me crazy when people announce that the sales rep (I'm assuming that's what's being referred to here) at their local mobile phone or Apple store told them that [insert unqualified rumor here].I mean, come on guys - we all like to feel special by pretending to know more than others do and, conversely, we want to avoid the embarrassment of not knowing something others expect us to. Same is true for sales reps, but a little common sense should tell us that they most likely don't know any more about the iPhone at this point than we do.
Which brings me to annoying lack of common sense #2: Speculations about the possibility that Apple might be keeping secret exiting surprise features until launch. We all know Apple orchestrates its marketing perfectly - this is not uncle Steve wrapping Christmas presents for his grandchildren...
And finally, most annoying common sense failure so far: People who actually watched the Keynote themselves yet complain that prepaid 3G iPhones are sold above the "promised" $199 price tag. There are so many ways to instantly realize that this just can't apply to prepaid, not least because even much crappier phones cost that much WITH a contract.
Okay, that's it for todays rant... had to get that off my chest - thanks for listening
I know its off subject....
..but i've pre ordered this: http://www.iphonic.tv/2008/06/zagg_launches_invisibleshield.html#more
ready for my new iphone!
Thats probably gone and put a hex on the whole "getting my hands on an iphone on the 11th"
..but i've pre ordered this: http://www.iphonic.tv/2008/06/zagg_launches_invisibleshield.html#more
ready for my new iphone!
Thats probably gone and put a hex on the whole "getting my hands on an iphone on the 11th"
Argh
I mean, come on guys - we all like to feel special by pretending to know more than others do and, conversely, we want to avoid the embarrassment of not knowing something others expect us to. Same is true for sales reps, but a little common sense should tell us that they most likely don't know any more about the iPhone at this point than we do.
Erm, i wasn't the one to speak to an O2 rep, personally i think thats sad as they know sod all till the phone actually comes out, i was mearly sighting another post in a different tread.
So dont blame me.
@captain kaos:
I didn't intend to blame you by any means since I don't even know the original post you were referring to - so of course in this particular case the O2 person referred to might have even been someone who does indeed work at O2 headquarters (as unlikely as this seems).
I didn't intend to blame you by any means since I don't even know the original post you were referring to - so of course in this particular case the O2 person referred to might have even been someone who does indeed work at O2 headquarters (as unlikely as this seems).
O2 Monthly Contract vs. PAYG Calculator
Tony,
Very useful!
One question, if I may:
I tried doing the comparison for 300 mins each month, calls every day, over 18 months. It gives UKP 1,074 for PAYG, whereas I had calculated it as 804 (which is a UKP 18 monthly top-up).
Is the 25p for 3 mins, or for each of the first 3 mins (i.e. 75 for 3 mins)?
Tony,
Very useful!
One question, if I may:
I tried doing the comparison for 300 mins each month, calls every day, over 18 months. It gives UKP 1,074 for PAYG, whereas I had calculated it as 804 (which is a UKP 18 monthly top-up).
Is the 25p for 3 mins, or for each of the first 3 mins (i.e. 75 for 3 mins)?
Tony,
Very useful!
One question, if I may:
I tried doing the comparison for 300 mins each month, calls every day, over 18 months. It gives UKP 1,074 for PAYG, whereas I had calculated it as 804 (which is a UKP 18 monthly top-up).
Is the 25p for 3 mins, or for each of the first 3 mins (i.e. 75 for 3 mins)?
25p is for the first 3 minutes each day, based on http://www.o2.co.uk/mobilestariffs/tariffs/paygo/talkalot
If you're doing calls every day 300 minutes is 10 minutes a day with the first 3 minutes at 25p and the remaining 7 minutes at 5p, so that's £33/mo, or £594 over the length of the contract. Add in £120 for the 12 months data and £300 for the phone.
Thanks, Tony. So it's actually 25p per minute for the first 3 mins, not 25p for 3mins? That explains it!
In which case, if one is making a call most days, over 18 months, the £35 per month contract seems to be pretty much a no-brainer!
Yup. It's scaled so that PayG becomes uneconomic once you start using the phone regularly - it's quite competative for occasional/emergency use though.
Except that, on second thoughts ....
If the PAYG deal does indeed include the extra hundreds of minutes per month from a nominated postcode in return for topping-up by a certain amount each month, the comparison is not quite so straightforward.
So if, for example, £15 per month top up were sufficient to cover calls made from locations other than the nominated postcode, a 16Gb 'phone over 18 months would be marginally (£40) cheaper on PAYG than the £35 per month contract - and £10 per month cheaper every month thereafter.
Hmm .... clearly a bit harder to decide than I first thought!
O2 at the Trafford Centre (Manchester) confirmed a 7.00 a.m. opening but knew nothing about being able to sign up any time after the 1st of July in order to shorten the process on the 11th.