Which other smartphones out there lose 20dB when you hold it in your hand? And which other smartphone out there even loses over 10dB by just having it in your open palm?
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Consumer Reports Still Not Recommending iPhone 4
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Which other smartphones out there lose 20dB when you hold it in your hand? And which other smartphone out there even loses over 10dB by just having it in your open palm?
If your phone lost reception when you touched the 'sweet spot' with one finger, and dropped a call in under 10 seconds, would you still be upset with Consumer Reports? That's exactly the problem I had before returning my phone.
I don't understand why everyone is so upset with CR. I'm a consumer, I have the issue, and they attempted to reproduce it because the "issue" exploded in the media. They were able to reproduce it and although they give it excellent marks in nearly all categories, they can't recommend it because there is a major design issue, even if it is only affecting a small number of people.
Why is that so wrong? It's not like Consumer Reports doesn't provide their entire review. Readers can decide for themselves.
Why should CR recommend iPhone 4 just because Job's provided a band-aid to "fix" a shotgun wound? I left Apple for Android and I am happy about it. But my phone has problems of it's own. I think it's a shame to cover up the design of a 4 with a rubber band, but I would do it. Jobs is not going to do anything more. He is one stubborn bastard, one super rich bastard. Good for him.
Bottom line, I will continue to say the iphone sucks and you will continue to say android sucks. We need to vent our anger somehow. Life goes on.
P.S. As Mel Gibson would say, Chuck Schumer can blow me first. The market will determine any punishment, the government can F off!
Bottom line, I will continue to say the iphone sucks and you will continue to say android sucks. We need to vent our anger somehow. Life goes on.
P.S. As Mel Gibson would say, Chuck Schumer can blow me first. The market will determine any punishment, the government can F off!
Actually the funny thing is that Jobs was asked why they "fixed" the wrong bar algorithm again after it has already been "fixed" when the 3GS was introduced (the "fix" was that more bars were being displayed....). Jobs answered that he can't remember what the 3GS bar fix was.... Yeah sure.
http://www.randomprocess.ca/2008/10/01/iphone-3gs-misleading-signal-display/
Looks like they changed it to show more bars, and now back to the old crap.
Lets take a look shall we. Consumer Reports is saying the iPhone 4 is not recommended despite:
1) Rating it the highest of ALL smartphones. Ever.
2) Not comparing the supposed flaw to behavior on other phones it DOES recommend
No matter who you are, when you screw up something that obviously of course people are going to stop trusting you.
Despite the fact that there is ample evidence and facts that demonstrate that the iPhone 4 behavior is in line with other phones Consumer Reports is essentially ignoring the laws of physics and not recommending the phone based on the dB level reading. That last part is particularly important. They are not calling it in to question because its actual performance has measureable dropped, they are calling it into question because one number they measure has dropped. So the iPhone could actually have better reception, even with weaker signal (Anandtech actually concludes this from their tests) and yet CR thinks its flawed. What does that say about you as a company that you can't recomend the highest rated smartphone on the planet that performs as well or better than its predecessor?
Apple isn't offering the bumber as a "fix" they are offering it as a way to appease the angry mob who have been goaded into a frenzy by outlets like Consumer Reports who did not follow good investigative procedure and do their due dilligence before reporting on the issue, like Apple did.
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Every time I hit the 9 key on the remote, it loses connection to the television. That is a more realistic comparison.
But it's cool, I can just hit 8 and then channel up so I have a valid workaround and anyone that complains about this issue is just being petty!
I never really listened to consumer reports, maybe for the odd car review when I was bored, but that was it. Now I know why.
iPhone 4 rated highest out of any smartphone (on their tests), yet they *won't* recommend it, like that really means anything. Don't make a lick of sense.
iPhone 4 rated highest out of any smartphone (on their tests), yet they *won't* recommend it, like that really means anything
. Don't make a lick of sense.I am so mad and stupid
I never called AppleCare. I hoped the issue would resolve itself and I trusted you.
That fact was used against me today.
Now the number is .55000003%
Check again in a week or two, Steve.
I never called AppleCare. I hoped the issue would resolve itself and I trusted you.
That fact was used against me today.
Now the number is .55000003%
Check again in a week or two, Steve.
Consumer Reports tested it against the Iphone3GS, but that doesn't count?
Also, just because other phones have a drop in bars, doesn't mean they drop calls and data transmission which is exactly what the Iphone 4 does. And it does this immediately upon touching the antenna separator. I know this because I had the issue.
And I bet you don't have any issues which is why you can't understand their findings.
CR is a big business, not some little website that is just trying to make a name for itself.
Thanks Consumer Reports!
Consumer Reports! Thanks. Maybe your act might have put pressure on Apple and Steve to come out and educate all of us about this Antennagate! I am an iPhone 4 customer and I do have this reception problem, but I am still an happy customer. Yes, I am happy that they are offering free bumpers to provide the fix. Yes, I would have eventually gotten a case, just to protect my phone. Yes, just like everyone who are whining here, I am happy to have free stuff. Given that, I think you achieved something for me and I really don't care if you recommend iPhone 4 or not. I am a happy iPhone 4 customer who is $30 richer as I don't have to spend that money to buy me a bumper. So Thank You CR!
Though what you have just done in the process is disservice all those other smart phone manufacturers. What you have done is now added an additional classification on how you will have to test all the smart phone going forward and maybe revisit the earlier ones. You will have to put all those phone in same level of scrutiny and test their receptions and antennas to do "Apple" to "Apple" comparisons. No pun intended!
Secondly, what also happened here is that Steve brought out issues with our FCC regulations and stupid constrains they put on device manufacturers. The requirement of the antenna placement. The whole radiation issue with cell phone is just overblown and not even proven. He also points out the issue with local governments on placing cell phone towers. Folks! Would you rather have those telephone poles with wires coming into you home above the ground (I know we no longer do that, but you get the jist of my point)
It is time to get off Apple's back and get on the back of your local representative and get them to fix the system. I wonder if Korea who is the most wireless and internet connected country have to deal with such stupid government regulations!
Consumer Reports! Thanks. Maybe your act might have put pressure on Apple and Steve to come out and educate all of us about this Antennagate! I am an iPhone 4 customer and I do have this reception problem, but I am still an happy customer. Yes, I am happy that they are offering free bumpers to provide the fix. Yes, I would have eventually gotten a case, just to protect my phone. Yes, just like everyone who are whining here, I am happy to have free stuff. Given that, I think you achieved something for me and I really don't care if you recommend iPhone 4 or not. I am a happy iPhone 4 customer who is $30 richer as I don't have to spend that money to buy me a bumper. So Thank You CR!
Though what you have just done in the process is disservice all those other smart phone manufacturers. What you have done is now added an additional classification on how you will have to test all the smart phone going forward and maybe revisit the earlier ones. You will have to put all those phone in same level of scrutiny and test their receptions and antennas to do "Apple" to "Apple" comparisons. No pun intended!
Secondly, what also happened here is that Steve brought out issues with our FCC regulations and stupid constrains they put on device manufacturers. The requirement of the antenna placement. The whole radiation issue with cell phone is just overblown and not even proven. He also points out the issue with local governments on placing cell phone towers. Folks! Would you rather have those telephone poles with wires coming into you home above the ground (I know we no longer do that, but you get the jist of my point)
It is time to get off Apple's back and get on the back of your local representative and get them to fix the system. I wonder if Korea who is the most wireless and internet connected country have to deal with such stupid government regulations!
Exactly who would these "fanboys" be? Seems to me they are anyone but *you* but someone who doesn't hate Apple? Or just anyone but you? Stop with the stupid and juvenile labels.
Consumer Reports - hmmmm, yeah, I'd be so glad to be a subscriber and find out 1 day after they printed and published that their conclusion was flawed. Hmmmmm. Yeah, that'd make me think they were accurate in their reporting for all time.
as somebody noticed, if you put ONE FINGER between TV and your remote
nothing will work, don't put your finger to the week spot, that's all
even worse, put only 1 finger into someone eye, that someone will lose his/her eye
there are many amazing things that ONE FINGER can do
Sorry, but it's not a finger to finger comparison. Try disabling any other phone (but iPhone 4) by touching it with one finger.
While many would agree with your sentiments, why is it only the mythical 'fanboys' who are spewing garbage? People have been whinging on these forums for weeks now who, when questioned, have never even used the iPhone let alone actually own one. Is that not garbage too? You can't have it that everyone who attacks Apple is right, while all of us who are extremely happy, are fools. Can you not see that, or are you as blinded as you say we are?
They don't lose 20dB. Bars ARE not dB. And Apple didn't provide any dB numbers but just bars. For example the worst you can get out of the currently shipping Android devices is -17.7dB by cupping the phone very tightly and holding it completely unnaturally.
Just for comparison:
Holding the phone naturally:
iPhone 3GS: -1.9 dB
iPhone 4: -19.8 dB
On an Open Palm:
iPhone 3GS: -0.2 dB
iPhone 4: -9.2 (!)
With a case or bumper:
iPhone 3GS: -3.2dB
iPhone 4: -7.2dB
Keep also in mind that dB are not linear but logarithmic.
I'm well under that age, and I've been subscribing to them for years. They're a great resource when buying just about anything.
70 Percent of people on here really are fanboys.
At first when I joined this site I figured that the majority of people were just like me, excited about products that fit our needs. However in this turn of events with the Iphone 4 as the protagonist, I'm amazed at how a corporation has managed to effectively put a positive spin on a problem so obvious. More amazing is how anyone can believe ANY corporation and take their word as the ultimate truth. Sure, it's your money. I guess it's no wonder why corporations consistently take advantage of consumers and get away with it. Either consumers like yourselves are ignorant, or in this case are brainwashed into believing that their **** doesn't stink.
At first when I joined this site I figured that the majority of people were just like me, excited about products that fit our needs. However in this turn of events with the Iphone 4 as the protagonist, I'm amazed at how a corporation has managed to effectively put a positive spin on a problem so obvious. More amazing is how anyone can believe ANY corporation and take their word as the ultimate truth. Sure, it's your money. I guess it's no wonder why corporations consistently take advantage of consumers and get away with it. Either consumers like yourselves are ignorant, or in this case are brainwashed into believing that their **** doesn't stink.
It's a mac forum, not a mac fanboy forum.
So may all Windows/Android users please step forward and leave?
Not a horrible fix - you are holding the phone wrong - the black mark on the band tells you where not to squeeze the phone. You may dislike Steve, but he was honest and I dare you to find any other tech CEO that will come out and show the problem with their device. He explained the issue. Apple is being upfront about as compared to other makers like HTC.
Sorry, but it's not a finger to finger comparison. Try disabling any other phone (but iPhone 4) by touching it with one finger.
seriously
1. Apple admitted, that problem exists
2. they marked spot that you should avoid to touch (like Nokia does)
3. if you don't like it return the phone
I can't get it, really
again
IF SOMEBODY HAS A PROBLEM WITH A DAMNED PHONE, JUST RETURN IT
30 days is a fair amount of time to make a decision.
So may all Windows/Android users please step forward and leave?
Not stepping forward yet -- but I did return my iphone and we'll have to see how things go. I got a lot of research to do since I've not read a single thing on android since I've been so happy with Apple/iphone for the past 3 years.
I'm not a hater, I'll come back when they release a new phone that works in my house when I hold it comfortably.
I very much dislike employing the word "fanboy" for it's connotative resonance, but you people are forcing me to use it.
This thread tops them all; never have I seen such a prevalent flock of fanboys. What obliges you to injudiciously disregarding the words of a credible source? I know; your undying commitment to Apple.
If Apple intends to fix the antenna, then can't we conclude it's defective? If we can conclude this, then we can definitively conclude free cases as not being an effective solution. Because of this, I can safely say that I concur with CR continuing to not recommend the iPhone.
This thread tops them all; never have I seen such a prevalent flock of fanboys. What obliges you to injudiciously disregarding the words of a credible source? I know; your undying commitment to Apple.
If Apple intends to fix the antenna, then can't we conclude it's defective? If we can conclude this, then we can definitively conclude free cases as not being an effective solution. Because of this, I can safely say that I concur with CR continuing to not recommend the iPhone.