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Which other phone loses 20dB when you hold it in your hand?

did you not watch the videos apple posted or the hundreds of other videos on youtube showing other cell phones with the exact same issue?

please pay attention.
 
To me it's not really F Consumer Reports but I never paid them attention. The same way I don't pay movie critics attention. I didn't get my first iPhone because of reports or reviews. I went to the store and tried it myself and with others who had the iPhone and I enjoyed the experience.
I don't think this is PRESSURE on Apple or going to hurt them because they laid it all out for you. I figured it was blown out of proportion and return rates and all would be low but sheesh, those numbers are real low and the majority is happy. Consumer Reports can't change that.
So if people wanna still be upset and not happy then like he said, return it, sell it because you can get some good money for it and move on. Nobody and no company could ever please everybody and that goes for apple. So do what's best for you, CR's opinions are their own as well as all of ours but it's really up to you. Me, I love this phone and would recommend it with no hestitation
 
Don't like the Death Grip problem? Don't buy one.

Exactly, I've now scratched iPhone 4 as a remplacement for my 3GS. It's probably going to be a Galaxy S for me.

Last you'll hear me speak on this issue. Apple refuses to fix it. "Death Grip" is such an overblown term that confuses many fanboys anyhow. All you need is to lightly touch the phone with the tip of 1 finger. There is no grip required. No other phones is this prone to the problem, end of story.
 
Q: Who death grips their phone when making a call?

Solution: Hold phone normally. Make calls. Surf net. Go on with life.

Can you explain the death grip to me?

I hold my phone with 3 fingers and a thumb (my palm doesn't even touch the phone).... My ring finger rests on the spot, and I do move it up, but a funny thing happens... I engage in conversation and I forget to give constant focus on my hand (err.. finger) position -- I know, I know, I should be able to focus on how I'm holding my phone and hold a conversation, but I guess I'm a little dense.

Oh, and as soon as I touch this spot, the person on the other end can't hear a single thing I say... If I don't move it quick enough, the call drops...

Is that the death grip everyone is talking about?
 
did you not watch the videos apple posted or the hundreds of other videos on youtube showing other cell phones with the exact same issue?

please pay attention.


Those videos are of signal bars not actual numbers.. That's what he's asking for. There aren't any accept for what Anandtech and Consumer Reports did.
You might want to pay attention..
 
Consumer Reports capitalizing on iPhone popularity

I just called CR and will be canceling my subscription. I've had all the iPhone versions except for 3G and used the iPhone 4 for 3 weeks. It's an incredible phone and should be recommended by a huge margin. There are so many incredible features in the iPhone that also work simultaneously in concert with our Apple computers:
Dear Consumer Reports,

Please forward this to the appropriate department. Thank you in advance for this.

I am strongly considering canceling my CR web access for a refund. I am appalled of CR's treatment of Apple and the new iPhone 4. I've had my iPhone 4 for three weeks and it is an incredible phone. Today, CR again refused to recommend the iPhone 4 after Apple stated they are addressing every concern and even offering free cases.

CR is greatly benefitting in the press with their contention with Apple. Further, CR has a poll on it's home page asking if their advice is going to steer people away from buying the iPhone. This is deeply troubling me that CR is trying to bring down this incredibly innovative American company. CR is using this to sell their product.

I can no longer recommend CR or trust any of it's rankings and reviews. *

With Sadness,
 
did you not watch the videos apple posted or the hundreds of other videos on youtube showing other cell phones with the exact same issue?

I haven't seen a single other phone in that video that loses 20dB (like the iPhone 4) when you touch it. Again: bars are NOT dB! Only dB matter when you want to compare reception but not bars.
 
Can you explain the death grip to me?

I hold my phone with 3 fingers and a thumb (my palm doesn't even touch the phone).... My ring finger rests on the spot, and I do move it up, but a funny thing happens... I engage in conversation and I forget to give constant focus on my hand (err.. finger) position -- I know, I know, I should be able to focus on how I'm holding my phone and hold a conversation, but I guess I'm a little dense.

Oh, and as soon as I touch this spot, the person on the other end can't hear a single thing I say... If I don't move it quick enough, the call drops...

Is that the death grip everyone is talking about?

The free case will solve this issue for you. Be happy and enjoy the best phone on the market!
 
The tides are starting to turn; take a look at CR's blog and the comments, there is a huge rising backlash against them for continuing to bash iPhone 4. They are also being negligent of the fact that MANY other phones have the same issue. (See here: http://www.apple.com/antenna/ )
 
While I agree with Consumer Report's conclusion, I suspect part of their decision may have been influenced by the potential limelight to be gained from this non-recomendation, such that it may be wise to regard this announcement with a grain of salt.

Writing negative things about products that can't be backed up with evidence would subject them to litigation. CR has been giving Not Recommended ratings to products they've found to be substandard for years. Do you really believe they suddenly hit on the brilliant idea to start making stuff up for their own marketing purposes?
 
did you not watch the videos apple posted or the hundreds of other videos on youtube showing other cell phones with the exact same issue?

please pay attention.

They showed bars drop on other phones. They didn't show complete loss of reception as soon as you touch a certain spot, or a dropped call in a matter of seconds.

That is what the iphone 4 did to me and I don't need Apple to show me.

Show me dropped calls and reception issues on those other phones, and I'll shut up.
 
What would have happened if Toyota told their customers they were pressing the gas pedal wrong?

Or they should just not speed up to the point where the software error was?

Or that it only happens on the highway and regardless of the fact it could happen, the car still looks good and has lots of safety features to protect you when the ****er won't stop accelerating?

Seriously, people. This is why this nation doesn't excel at science anymore. No one uses critical thinking skills.

The phone's antenna is now EXPOSED. In all the other phones, it never was, and never is for the reason that human contact ATTENUATES signals. In fact, any capacitive or conductive contact to an antenna detunes it. Period.

The mistake here is that Apple didn't figure this out, or ignored it for style.

If you cannot see that, or cannot accept that, then you should take your single finger that cannot cause it and please pull the trigger that "won't" fire the gun into your temple.

You Apple fanboys are absolutely ridiculous. Like little kids that hack at gaming online.

What's the point?

This phone is flawed in the fact that the antenna is touchable. NO OTHER PHONE loses this much signal with a single finger. NONE. BARS do not matter. Signal dB do. But I doubt most of you know what dB are. That's because all you know of DB is that you are called one every day of your life.
 
I just called CR and will be canceling my subscription. I've had all the iPhone versions except for 3G and used the iPhone 4 for 3 weeks. It's an incredible phone and should be recommended by a huge margin. There are so many incredible features in the iPhone that also work simultaneously in concert with our Apple computers.

You don't have the issue, so CR is to blame?

Just because you don't have an issue doesn't mean that you can completely write them off. I know how bad this issue is from personal/real-world testing, so I know CR's findings are valid.

Why are people going so overboard with this?

And for the record, they gave the iphone 4 an excellent review, they just can't recommend something they know won't work as designed by all purchasers.
 
Not a horrible fix - you are holding the phone wrong - the black mark on the band tells you where not to squeeze the phone. You may dislike Steve, but he was honest and I dare you to find any other tech CEO that will come out and show the problem with their device. He explained the issue. Apple is being upfront about as compared to other makers like HTC.
Who doesn't put a case on an iPhone??? I am thinking that a smart person would have already done this. I for one have, even though i haven't had any issues. If you don't like it, then return thier iPhone. I think a free bumper is more than any other company would do. The problem with always giving people greatness is that you set yourself up to eventually fail. Maybe I could listen to them bitch if they were trying or have already made a perfect phone. Until then, they are just winey spoiled brats
 
Writing negative things about products that can't be backed up with evidence would subject them to litigation. CR has been giving Not Recommended ratings to products they've found to be substandard for years. Do you really believe they suddenly hit on the brilliant idea to start making stuff up for their own marketing purposes?

I believe so because other things they don't recommend are not made by apple. And we all know how anything Apple makes headlines period. So yes, they are getting alot more attention than normal with this whole situation.
 
Writing negative things about products that can't be backed up with evidence would subject them to litigation. CR has been giving Not Recommended ratings to products they've found to be substandard for years. Do you really believe they suddenly hit on the brilliant idea to start making stuff up for their own marketing purposes?

I totally agree.
I really wish people would read the CR article before spouting off nonsense.

They complain about CR but no one complains about the signal fix done to the 3GS in 2008 to fake good reception.
They don't complain how apple pr said SJ email were fake, but Boy Geniuos came out and said Apple lied and email was real. What's apple response... nothing..
People need to be a lot more objective and see things for what they are. Everyone lies, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
 
Jesus Christ... it's not like Consumer Reports is the end all and be all.
Of course not! Apple is!

CR has always rated Apple notebooks very highly. If you say that they have bizarre judgment then you must disregard their high praise for Apple products in the past as well.
Shhhh! Don't try to use logic on the iTards. Consumer Reports doesn't LOVE Apple's iPhone, therefore Consumer Reports MUST suck. These the the limits of what some people here can process.
 
Exactly, I've now scratched iPhone 4 as a remplacement for my 3GS. It's probably going to be a Galaxy S for me.

Last you'll hear me speak on this issue. Apple refuses to fix it. "Death Grip" is such an overblown term that confuses many fanboys anyhow. All you need is to lightly touch the phone with the tip of 1 finger. There is no grip required. No other phones is this prone to the problem, end of story.

Why would you even touch the weak spot when you're calling anyway??? Apple is different and even consumer report even acknowledges that it is the best smartphone. Better in everything except when putting a finger on the gap. Again, why are you going to put a finger on the gap when you call???
 
Who doesn't put a case on an iPhone??? I am thinking that a smart person would have already done this. I for one have, even though i haven't had any issues. If you don't like it, then return thier iPhone. I think a free bumper is more than any other company would do. The problem with always giving people greatness is that you set yourself up to eventually fail. Maybe I could listen to them bitch if they were trying or have already made a perfect phone. Until then, they are just winey spoiled brats

I don't use a case and have never dropped an iphone (3+ years). Are you saying I'm stupid because you prefer to use a case, or because you have a tendency of dropping your phone and need to protect it?

I would consider myself at least average in intelligence, but I guess not smart enough to use a case :(
 
Those videos are of signal bars not actual numbers.. That's what he's asking for. There aren't any accept for what Anandtech and Consumer Reports did.
You might want to pay attention..

ummm, the signals drop. who gives a crap if it's 20db or not. I've yet to be able to get a call to drop on my iPhone 4 and I've tried hard to do it. Isn't that what really matters? Are we really going to arguing that your signal drops 1 less db than mine, when most all phones drop signal when held?
 
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