richman555
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There is nothing broken. The phone works as it is designed. Free cases is a nice gesture for those who can't stop holding it wrong.
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Consumer Reports Still Not Recommending iPhone 4
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There is nothing broken. The phone works as it is designed. Free cases is a nice gesture for those who can't stop holding it wrong.
blizaine
macrumors 6502
did you not watch the videos apple posted or the hundreds of other videos on youtube showing other cell phones with the exact same issue?
please pay attention.
To me it's not really F Consumer Reports but I never paid them attention. The same way I don't pay movie critics attention. I didn't get my first iPhone because of reports or reviews. I went to the store and tried it myself and with others who had the iPhone and I enjoyed the experience.
I don't think this is PRESSURE on Apple or going to hurt them because they laid it all out for you. I figured it was blown out of proportion and return rates and all would be low but sheesh, those numbers are real low and the majority is happy. Consumer Reports can't change that.
So if people wanna still be upset and not happy then like he said, return it, sell it because you can get some good money for it and move on. Nobody and no company could ever please everybody and that goes for apple. So do what's best for you, CR's opinions are their own as well as all of ours but it's really up to you. Me, I love this phone and would recommend it with no hestitation
I don't think this is PRESSURE on Apple or going to hurt them because they laid it all out for you. I figured it was blown out of proportion and return rates and all would be low but sheesh, those numbers are real low and the majority is happy. Consumer Reports can't change that.
So if people wanna still be upset and not happy then like he said, return it, sell it because you can get some good money for it and move on. Nobody and no company could ever please everybody and that goes for apple. So do what's best for you, CR's opinions are their own as well as all of ours but it's really up to you. Me, I love this phone and would recommend it with no hestitation
KnightWRX
macrumors Pentium
Exactly, I've now scratched iPhone 4 as a remplacement for my 3GS. It's probably going to be a Galaxy S for me.
Last you'll hear me speak on this issue. Apple refuses to fix it. "Death Grip" is such an overblown term that confuses many fanboys anyhow. All you need is to lightly touch the phone with the tip of 1 finger. There is no grip required. No other phones is this prone to the problem, end of story.
Can you explain the death grip to me?
I hold my phone with 3 fingers and a thumb (my palm doesn't even touch the phone).... My ring finger rests on the spot, and I do move it up, but a funny thing happens... I engage in conversation and I forget to give constant focus on my hand (err.. finger) position -- I know, I know, I should be able to focus on how I'm holding my phone and hold a conversation, but I guess I'm a little dense.
Oh, and as soon as I touch this spot, the person on the other end can't hear a single thing I say... If I don't move it quick enough, the call drops...
Is that the death grip everyone is talking about?
Those videos are of signal bars not actual numbers.. That's what he's asking for. There aren't any accept for what Anandtech and Consumer Reports did.
You might want to pay attention..
Consumer Reports capitalizing on iPhone popularity
I just called CR and will be canceling my subscription. I've had all the iPhone versions except for 3G and used the iPhone 4 for 3 weeks. It's an incredible phone and should be recommended by a huge margin. There are so many incredible features in the iPhone that also work simultaneously in concert with our Apple computers:
Dear Consumer Reports,
Please forward this to the appropriate department. Thank you in advance for this.
I am strongly considering canceling my CR web access for a refund. I am appalled of CR's treatment of Apple and the new iPhone 4. I've had my iPhone 4 for three weeks and it is an incredible phone. Today, CR again refused to recommend the iPhone 4 after Apple stated they are addressing every concern and even offering free cases.
CR is greatly benefitting in the press with their contention with Apple. Further, CR has a poll on it's home page asking if their advice is going to steer people away from buying the iPhone. This is deeply troubling me that CR is trying to bring down this incredibly innovative American company. CR is using this to sell their product.
I can no longer recommend CR or trust any of it's rankings and reviews. *
With Sadness,
I just called CR and will be canceling my subscription. I've had all the iPhone versions except for 3G and used the iPhone 4 for 3 weeks. It's an incredible phone and should be recommended by a huge margin. There are so many incredible features in the iPhone that also work simultaneously in concert with our Apple computers:
Dear Consumer Reports,
Please forward this to the appropriate department. Thank you in advance for this.
I am strongly considering canceling my CR web access for a refund. I am appalled of CR's treatment of Apple and the new iPhone 4. I've had my iPhone 4 for three weeks and it is an incredible phone. Today, CR again refused to recommend the iPhone 4 after Apple stated they are addressing every concern and even offering free cases.
CR is greatly benefitting in the press with their contention with Apple. Further, CR has a poll on it's home page asking if their advice is going to steer people away from buying the iPhone. This is deeply troubling me that CR is trying to bring down this incredibly innovative American company. CR is using this to sell their product.
I can no longer recommend CR or trust any of it's rankings and reviews. *
With Sadness,
I haven't seen a single other phone in that video that loses 20dB (like the iPhone 4) when you touch it. Again: bars are NOT dB! Only dB matter when you want to compare reception but not bars.
richman555
macrumors 6502
The free case will solve this issue for you. Be happy and enjoy the best phone on the market!
Explain this video and further explain how this is not a design flaw? Amazing no death grip needed!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7tfH9oBQbk
ryan.stewie
macrumors regular
The tides are starting to turn; take a look at CR's blog and the comments, there is a huge rising backlash against them for continuing to bash iPhone 4. They are also being negligent of the fact that MANY other phones have the same issue. (See here: http://www.apple.com/antenna/ )
Writing negative things about products that can't be backed up with evidence would subject them to litigation. CR has been giving Not Recommended ratings to products they've found to be substandard for years. Do you really believe they suddenly hit on the brilliant idea to start making stuff up for their own marketing purposes?
They showed bars drop on other phones. They didn't show complete loss of reception as soon as you touch a certain spot, or a dropped call in a matter of seconds.
That is what the iphone 4 did to me and I don't need Apple to show me.
Show me dropped calls and reception issues on those other phones, and I'll shut up.
What would have happened if Toyota told their customers they were pressing the gas pedal wrong?
Or they should just not speed up to the point where the software error was?
Or that it only happens on the highway and regardless of the fact it could happen, the car still looks good and has lots of safety features to protect you when the ****er won't stop accelerating?
Seriously, people. This is why this nation doesn't excel at science anymore. No one uses critical thinking skills.
The phone's antenna is now EXPOSED. In all the other phones, it never was, and never is for the reason that human contact ATTENUATES signals. In fact, any capacitive or conductive contact to an antenna detunes it. Period.
The mistake here is that Apple didn't figure this out, or ignored it for style.
If you cannot see that, or cannot accept that, then you should take your single finger that cannot cause it and please pull the trigger that "won't" fire the gun into your temple.
You Apple fanboys are absolutely ridiculous. Like little kids that hack at gaming online.
What's the point?
This phone is flawed in the fact that the antenna is touchable. NO OTHER PHONE loses this much signal with a single finger. NONE. BARS do not matter. Signal dB do. But I doubt most of you know what dB are. That's because all you know of DB is that you are called one every day of your life.
Or they should just not speed up to the point where the software error was?
Or that it only happens on the highway and regardless of the fact it could happen, the car still looks good and has lots of safety features to protect you when the ****er won't stop accelerating?
Seriously, people. This is why this nation doesn't excel at science anymore. No one uses critical thinking skills.
The phone's antenna is now EXPOSED. In all the other phones, it never was, and never is for the reason that human contact ATTENUATES signals. In fact, any capacitive or conductive contact to an antenna detunes it. Period.
The mistake here is that Apple didn't figure this out, or ignored it for style.
If you cannot see that, or cannot accept that, then you should take your single finger that cannot cause it and please pull the trigger that "won't" fire the gun into your temple.
You Apple fanboys are absolutely ridiculous. Like little kids that hack at gaming online.
What's the point?
This phone is flawed in the fact that the antenna is touchable. NO OTHER PHONE loses this much signal with a single finger. NONE. BARS do not matter. Signal dB do. But I doubt most of you know what dB are. That's because all you know of DB is that you are called one every day of your life.
You don't have the issue, so CR is to blame?
Just because you don't have an issue doesn't mean that you can completely write them off. I know how bad this issue is from personal/real-world testing, so I know CR's findings are valid.
Why are people going so overboard with this?
And for the record, they gave the iphone 4 an excellent review, they just can't recommend something they know won't work as designed by all purchasers.
Holding it wrong? 🙄
It's not a design flaw, it's working as it is designed. 😀
richman555
macrumors 6502
You can't return your Toyota for a full refund. Also touching the antennae can't kill a person (at least to my inferior scientific knowledge).
hissyfit
macrumors regular
Who doesn't put a case on an iPhone??? I am thinking that a smart person would have already done this. I for one have, even though i haven't had any issues. If you don't like it, then return thier iPhone. I think a free bumper is more than any other company would do. The problem with always giving people greatness is that you set yourself up to eventually fail. Maybe I could listen to them bitch if they were trying or have already made a perfect phone. Until then, they are just winey spoiled brats
I totally agree.
I really wish people would read the CR article before spouting off nonsense.
They complain about CR but no one complains about the signal fix done to the 3GS in 2008 to fake good reception.
They don't complain how apple pr said SJ email were fake, but Boy Geniuos came out and said Apple lied and email was real. What's apple response... nothing..
People need to be a lot more objective and see things for what they are. Everyone lies, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
SeaFox
macrumors 68030
Of course not! Apple is!
Shhhh! Don't try to use logic on the iTards. Consumer Reports doesn't LOVE Apple's iPhone, therefore Consumer Reports MUST suck. These the the limits of what some people here can process.
Why would you even touch the weak spot when you're calling anyway??? Apple is different and even consumer report even acknowledges that it is the best smartphone. Better in everything except when putting a finger on the gap. Again, why are you going to put a finger on the gap when you call???
grmatt
macrumors 6502
Mike Arrington (typical iPhone "hater") agrees with you: http://techcrunch.com/2010/07/15/iphone-4-consumer-reports-needs-to-get-it-together/
I'd bet that CR got as many hits in the last week as they had all of last year, they're loving it!
I don't use a case and have never dropped an iphone (3+ years). Are you saying I'm stupid because you prefer to use a case, or because you have a tendency of dropping your phone and need to protect it?
I would consider myself at least average in intelligence, but I guess not smart enough to use a case 🙁
blizaine
macrumors 6502
ummm, the signals drop. who gives a crap if it's 20db or not. I've yet to be able to get a call to drop on my iPhone 4 and I've tried hard to do it. Isn't that what really matters? Are we really going to arguing that your signal drops 1 less db than mine, when most all phones drop signal when held?