Consumer Reports Still Not Recommending iPhone 4

[Max(IT)]

Or the joke is on the likes of you, who believe (with the emphasis on believe) everything iGod says. Ahh yes, those videos. Very convincing evidence

very interesting point of view. So the videos are convincing evidence ONLY when it comes to blame iPhone 4.
If Apple use the SAME media, backed up with real data, they are a convincing evidence no more ...
I think YOU are the joke, here ...

I live in a place where the signal is week, and I have no problem. I think you should change your comment to, "If you are afraid of largely imaginary problems that effect almost no one, you shouldn't buy an iPhone.

I see no issue with the iP4.

right.

I may be new here but I'm definitely not new to Apple or their products. In fact, I was probably a Apple user while you were still sucking on a pacifier in a crib.

Nice try but wrong target, dude.
I'm almost 40, and I'm a Mac user since 1988 ...
Next time maybe.

 

[LagunaSol]

very interesting point of view. So the videos are convincing evidence ONLY when it comes to blame iPhone 4.
If Apple use the SAME media, backed up with real data, they are a convincing evidence no more ...

Apparently koolaid comes in flavors other than Apple, eh?

 

[AidenShaw]

Or they simply expect more of Apple because they've proven time and again that they can make a phone the mass public actually want to use.

Let me fix that:

Or they simply expect more of Apple because they've proven time and again that they can used to be able to make a phone the mass public actually want to use.

In spite of the current "close to release date" shortages - "antennagate" could easily erode Apple's "cachet" and cripple longer term sales. When the Iphone4 is the topic of standup comedian's acts, that will affect sales. Whining that "you're holding it wrong" is technically a misquote won't improve sales.

 

[Max(IT)]

I'm not defending Apple's choice, merely explaining that a choice had to be made. At the time, SJ thought that the external antenna was the right choice, but now I wonder whether he regrets that decision.

Of course, with a case, you can have an iP4 that is functionally as it would have been with an internal antenna. The difference is, of course, the effect of the case on the appearance of the device.

I think he regrets that decision, now. But that doesn't mean the design is flawed ...

froyo gets a reported 2 days of moderate/heavy use even with flash on, this is widely reported, and not just from me..sorry, extremely wrong here.

maybe in your parallel dimension ...
In the real world, Nexus One has less battery life than iPhone 3GS, as Anandtech proved a few days ago ...
LINK
sorry, extremely wrong here.

2 days heavy use? Link(s) please?

I provided a very different evidence

Apparently RIM forgot to add this feature (being able to fix signal degradation via hand grip with a piece of tape) to the BlackBerry Bold 9650.

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010...=Feed:+TheBoyGeniusReport+(Boy+Genius+Report)

Yet I don't expect to see this reported via the New York Times, CNN, Consumer Reports, and every tech website in the known universe.

Hey CR, where's the Not Recommended rating for the Bold 9650? Nay, CR said



and gave it a Recommended rating.

The double-standard here is astounding.

Save your time: they are going to ignore it

 

[AidenShaw]

I think he regrets that decision, now. But that doesn't mean the design is flawed ...

I'm sorry?

Regretting a design decision doesn't mean that it is flawed?

Selling a phone that drops calls if you touch it is not a flawed design?

Wow.

 

[macsmurf]

Save your time: they are going to ignore it

Please. The guy is suggesting that you ought to be able to fix the problem all phones have concerning the signal with a piece of tape. I originally assumed he was joking but apparently I thought too much of him.

You can fix the part of the issue with signal degradation that only the iPhone have, with a piece of tape. You cannot fix the issue with signal degradation entirely (tape or otherwise).

The fact that you guys don't (or won't) understand this is astounding to me. I'm continually surprised by this forum. It's actually quite fascinating.

 

[Max(IT)]

I'm sorry?

Regretting a design decision doesn't mean that it is flawed?

Selling a phone that drops calls if you touch it is not a flawed design?

Wow.

Please. The guy is suggesting that you ought to be able to fix the problem all phones have concerning the signal with a piece of tape. I originally assumed he was joking but apparently I thought too much of him.

You can fix the part of the issue with signal degradation that only the iPhone have, with a piece of tape. You cannot fix the issue with signal degradation entirely (tape or otherwise).

The fact that you guys don't (or won't) understand this is astounding to me. I'm continually surprised by this forum. It's actually quite fascinating.

there is a VIDEO right there, showing a BB dropping the signal.
All of you iphone basher are DELIBERATELY IGNORING all evidences about a behavior shared by most of the phones on the market.

 

[macsmurf]

there is a VIDEO right there, showing a BB dropping the signal.
All of you iphone basher are DELIBERATELY IGNORING all evidences about a behavior shared by most of the phones on the market.

Not really. I'm concerned with the causes of the behavior and the fact that Apple is pretending that there is nothing special about the "trouble spot" on the iPhone. This is not true. I don't really care about the issue as much as I care about Apple lying.

OK, I think I've had my fill for now.

 

[bigsexyy81]

Almost 1,000 replies... lol. I'll chime in with my two cents.

1. Ultimately, who gives a s*** what CR says? Only people who dislike Apple or people who are new to the market and don't know what type of phones are out there. And even if Apple didn't sell a single iPhone right off the bat to any of those people, they'd still have plenty of customers to keep them happy.

2. As I'm sure has been said before... don't buy it if you don't want to risk it. Pretty simple. If you bought it and it doesn't work right, return it.

 

[oliversl]

This time you are lying because Apple said that there is a worse "weak spot" in iPhone 4. Remember that people can not reproduce the problem in areas with strong signal

Not really. I'm concerned with the causes of the behavior and the fact that Apple is pretending that there is nothing special about the "trouble spot" on the iPhone. This is not true. I don't really care about the issue as much as I care about Apple lying.

OK, I think I've had my fill for now.

 

[gehrbox]

2. As I'm sure has been said before... don't buy it if you don't want to risk it. Pretty simple. If you bought it and it doesn't work right, return it.

Yup and it seems to escape the wisdom of the dissatisfied that have no problem returning a used cooler to Walmart that they bought just for the 4th of July.

 

[PerfSeeker]

I'm just amazed that Steve Jobs had to trash other companies to justify this blatant design flaw. I thought Apple was "genius" and "it all just works" or "Apple products are insanely great". Yeah right.

 

[MorphingDragon]

Let me fix that:



In spite of the current "close to release date" shortages - "antennagate" could easily erode Apple's "cachet" and cripple longer term sales. When the Iphone4 is the topic of standup comedian's acts, that will affect sales. Whining that "you're holding it wrong" is technically a misquote won't improve sales.

Then I wonder, how many people outside of the inner sanctum of the internet actually care about this. Then I also wonder what would cause a shortage of stock?

Th iPhone 4 is a phone that people want. Hype dies down once word gets around that something sucks, the word has gotten around and the iPhone 4 continues to sell. So there's something you're missing/ignoring.

 

[MorphingDragon]

Selling a phone that drops calls if you touch it is not a flawed design?

It is if your name is Nokia!

 

[LagunaSol]

Please. The guy is suggesting that you ought to be able to fix the problem all phones have concerning the signal with a piece of tape.

Obviously you have no idea what I was "suggesting." Hint: I wasn't "suggesting" anything.

You cannot fix the issue with signal degradation entirely (tape or otherwise).

So please tell us how to fix the signal degradation you get with any number of other smartphones by employing similar grips? Or do you, like the media, only find iPhone signal degradation relevant and worth discussing?

 

[gehrbox]

I'm just amazed that Steve Jobs had to trash other companies to justify this blatant design flaw. I thought Apple was "genius" and "it all just works" or "Apple products are insanely great". Yeah right.

If that's what you took from the demonstration then you misunderstood.

The purpose was to show the press that the behavior noted in the iphone4 is also present in many phones.

If anything it showed that it is a limitation brought on by the industry to make nicer looking phones that do not require an extended antenna.

Apples problem is that the iphone4 is more sensitive to the issue. SJ noted that they knew it could happen, but considered it a worthwhile compromise because the design provided better performance in most other situations and modes of operation.

 

[tt92618]

Apple needs to invite Consumer Reports to the Cupertino campus, and open their testing systems for them. Let them come and prove that the iPhone 4 really is no worse than any other cell phone, or that it is, using proper equipment and procedures.

The charge has been made that the CR tests were flawed, so let them duplicate them properly, and let the chips fall where they may. If CR has any journalistic integrity, they ought to be willing to do so.

 

[srxtr]

After updating my iPhone to 4.0.1, I never got 5 bars again.

This entire time Apple's been covering up for AT&T's crappy network...

 

[BobVB]

If CR has any journalistic integrity, they ought to be willing to do so.

Ha! if Apple had any integrity they wouldn't have shown us 'dropping bars' when the problem is dropping calls, they would have shown us the 3GS, and they would have shown us what 1 finger does on the iPhone 4.

Please, CR need prove nothing to Apple - Apple has set the 'honesty' bar so low everyone can step over their standard.

 

[RVNA]

Statement: I'm left handed, and I really do not like how the bumper looks.

Question: Am I SOL if I want an iPhone 4?

 

[Black Belt]

Maybe instead of focussing on how much money they can squeeze out of consumer for offering less and less, they should go back to focussing on quality and making the experience overwhelmingly good. Right now Apple is consistently underwhelming.

 

[AidenShaw]

Question: Am I SOL if I want an iPhone 4?

You'll be fine if you never try to use the phone when you're more than a kilometre from an AT&T Cell tower.


Otherwise, "SOL" is a pretty good description.

 

[LagunaSol]

Statement: I'm left handed, and I really do not like how the bumper looks.

Question: Am I SOL if I want an iPhone 4?

I'm right handed but I hold the phone in my left. I don't have a bumper or a case. I have no problem with my phone. Just don't bury the corner of the phone in your palm and avoid putting your meatstick on the line that separates the two antenna segments and you'll be fine. It really isn't that hard. I think you'd have to be completely incompetent to not be able to successfully (and comfortably) make a call (or retrieve data) with the iPhone 4.

I'd wager the vast majority of iPhone 4 owners never would have noticed any issues with the device whatsoever if this hadn't been broadcast as a national emergency by every news agency on the planet.

Buy one. Try it for two weeks. If you have a problem, take it back. Let the product speak for itself. Ignore the hysterics on this forum and other sites - much of it likely coming from Apple detractors who don't even own the device.

 

[RinoaHeartily]

I'm right handed but I hold the phone in my left. I don't have a bumper or a case. I have no problem with my phone. Just don't bury the corner of the phone in your palm and avoid putting your meatstick on the line that separates the two antenna segments and you'll be fine. It really isn't that hard. I think you'd have to be completely incompetent to not be able to successfully (and comfortably) make a call (or retrieve data) with the iPhone 4.

I'd wager the vast majority of iPhone 4 owners never would have noticed any issues with the device whatsoever if this hadn't been broadcast as a national emergency by every news agency on the planet.

Buy one. Try it for two weeks. If you have a problem, take it back. Let the product speak for itself. Ignore the hysterics on this forum and other sites - much of it likely coming from Apple detractors who don't even own the device.

which meatstick u referring to? LOL..

anyway i am right handed too.. hold my phone on the left.. in practical.. if u hold ur phone naturally u can't help but press against the line.. it's natural. If i do take note at the signal indicator it does drop 1 or 2 bars whatever.. however i have never dropped a call before nor got disconnected while downloading on 3G. It's just perception...some people just don't like to see the damn indicator drops 1 or 2 bars.. LOL..

if it wasn't for the big hoo haa generated by people.. i wouldn't even notice the drops in the bar.

So in short.. buy it.. use it without casing.. use it as how you would have done with any phone.. gripping it anyway u like it.. by 30 days if u are not satisfied.. return the damn thing... i am sure like hell holding on to the phone.. it just looks cool to have an iphone....

 

[charlituna]

AT&T has nothing to do with it or do you want to tell the other countries this too?

There has been a noticeable dearth of complaints outside of the US and even Consumer Reports notes the whole drop in signal is only an issue in areas with weak ATT service.

So the problem might not be ALL ATT but they are a factor in whether it is really a major issue for users or not. those in good and great service areas seem to have no issue with a drop in bars. Those in crappy service, well even at 5 bars their service is probably sucking more often than not